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Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

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True Crime
Murder
Lizzie Borden
Fall River
Justice System
World War II
Historical True Crime
Jack the Ripper
Mental Health
Family Dynamics
Rebecca Briggs Cornell
Grant Amato
Incel Community
Relisha Rudd
Stephanie St. Clair
New York City
Domestic Violence
Wrongful Conviction
John Chiswell
Bertha Manchester

Welcome to Tenfold More Wicked Presents: Wicked Words, Kate Winkler Dawson's true crime talk show. On each new episode of Wicked Words, Kate interviews journalists, podcasters and authors about their fascinating behind-the-scenes stories from their investigations in the world of true crime, many of which have never been shared before. Kate interviews Patricia Cornwell, the prolific true crime auth... more

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When crime journalist Maria DiLorenzo began writing to Gary Ridgway, she had no idea where it would go. He began calling her—hundreds of times. Their conversations were supposed to lead to big revelations and to clues about women who might have been ... more

In the 1990s, a bank robber known as “Hollywood” robbed at least 19 banks in the northwest. He was pursued for years until one final robbery ended in violence. My guests are an interesting duo: one is the FBI agent who chased him and his crew. The ot... more

My next guest is an author who began writing a biography and then turned it into a novel. And I don’t blame her. The story of Earnest Pletch may be largely unknown now, but in 1939, he became famous. He took a flying lesson, he brought a gun, and soo... more

This is the third time I’ve had Dawson Fearnow on the show—he writes about Arizona and some of the bad things that happened there. He’s talking to me about a piece he wrote for Phoenix Magazine called "Incognito, Inc.: Arizona’s Secret, Starring Role... more

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Recent Guests

Shawn Johnson
FBI agent who chased the Hollywood-era bank robbers
FBI
Episode: Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank
Steven Meyers
Accomplice involved in the bank robberies and prior drug operation
Private associate (investigative recount)
Episode: Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank
Kimberly Sheeter
Author of Air-Minded (biography turned narrative nonfiction and novel)
Author
Episode: Kimberly Sheeter: Air-Minded
Dawson Fearnow
Writer who contributed a Phoenix Magazine piece Incognito Inc: Arizona's secret starring role in the Federal Witness Protection Program
Phoenix Magazine
Episode: Dawson Fearnow: Incognito Inc.
Tori Telfer
Host of Criminal Broads, author
Criminal Broads podcast
Episode: Tori Telfer: Criminal Broads
Maurice Chammah
Journalist with the Marshall Project; author of The Last Twelve Weeks
Marshall Project
Episode: Maurice Chammah: The Last Twelve Weeks
Kate Casey
Podcaster, Reality Life with Kate Casey
Reality Life with Kate Casey
Episode: Kate Casey: Martha Moxley
Justine van der Leun
Author of Unreasonable Women: Three Stories of Self-Defense, Wrongful Imprisonment and Extraordinary Survival
Author, Journalist
Episode: Justine van der Leun: Unreasonable Women
Eva Benefield
Survivor and author of Ghost Girl, Surviving the Black Swan Murder
Author, Speaker, Entrepreneur
Episode: Eva Benefield: Ghost Girl

Host

Kate Winkler Dawson
Host of Wicked Words, nonfiction author and journalism professor; interviews journalists and authors about true crime behind-the-scenes.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 11k ratings
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    Prawn Travolta
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  • Best Story Teller

    I adore Kate! She is a fantastic journalist and story teller. I could listen to her for hours…. I do! Ten Fold was such a wonder series and I’m said it came to an end but, I am happy she has continued her story telling with Buried Bones. Exactly Rights researchers and Kate herself do a spectacular job. They do their absolute best to gather the most information and details. This series and Buried Bones are must listens .

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    United States2 months ago
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    Prawn Travolta
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  • I was hoping she wouldn’t suck

    But I’m disgusted. I was disgusted by Paul Holes and his prejudice and misogyny and homophobia…. And now I’m listening to this “black swan” episode with a daughter deeply attracted to her father and exuding her father’s violence (firing a gun to tell someone to shut up is great!!!!! REALLY)

    This is awful. Gross.

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  • Emily Winslow

    Started out liking it. I knew things were going south when she reiterated several times: “I was deeply religious but now I’m still religious just in a different way.” That quote preceded her discussion about how her OB/GYN prescribed the morning after pill following her sexual assault and she refused to take it on the grounds of her “religious beliefs.” Then she goes on to tell us that this practitioner slipped her a Mickey. A concoction or a pill that prevented conception. And she says two or... more

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Listeners Say

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Ethical, careful storytelling earns strong listener trust.
Ad-heavy episodes reduce listening flow; sponsorships affect rhythm.
Long-form interviews with investigative professionals are highly valued.
Adapting to new formats drew mixed reactions from longtime fans.
Guest quality and interview depth are praised; some episodes feel uneven.

Chart Rankings

How this podcast ranks in the Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube charts.

Apple Podcasts
#227
United States/True Crime
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#162
South Africa/True Crime
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#216
Philippines/True Crime
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#228
India/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#243
South Korea/True Crime
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#248
Argentina/True Crime

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank
Q: What ultimately connected the criminals' plans to the investigation that led to their capture?
Electronic tracking devices, ProNet tags, and the scanners that allowed law enforcement to triangulate the suspects' movements, combined with meticulous surveillance of bank vaults and routes, culminated in a coordinated arrest and a high-profile end to the case.
Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank
Q: When did the FBI first consider Scott Hollywood a real threat, and what tipped them off beyond local police work?
The FBI began treating the case as high-priority after the fifth or sixth robberies when vaults were targeted and the scale and sophistication escalated, signaling a move beyond bungled teller jobs to organized, high-value vault incidents.
Tori Telfer: Criminal Broads
Q: What happened with Lisa Tseng and the opioid crisis depicted in this episode?
Lisa Tseng presided over a high-volume clinic that prescribed opioids and other powerful drugs to many patients, with inadequate checks; DEA escalation and undercover investigation revealed systemic failures and led to charges including murder.
Tori Telfer: Criminal Broads
Q: How did the media treat Peggy Jo's case compared to the reality of her crime?
The media framed the case with a Cowboy Bob persona but Peggy Jo's reality was far less glamorous, highlighting the discrepancy between sensational headlines and the sobering details of her financial desperation and eventual capture.
Tori Telfer: Criminal Broads
Q: Tell me about Peggy Jo and how her crimes started.
Peggy Jo, a young Texan in the 60s, developed an awareness of an armored car and a dream of freedom, eventually escalating from small thefts to multiple bank robberies with careful planning and disguise before a fatal misstep.

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What is Wicked Words about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Wicked Words features long-form conversations with journalists, authors, and podcasters who share behind-the-scenes insights from true crime investigations. Episodes tend to center on storytelling craft, investigative ethics, and the human impact of crime, with a focus on historical cases, investigative processes, and how media shapes public perception. Notably, the show often pairs seasoned reporters with book authors or filmmakers to dissect cases, the writing/storytelling process, and the evolving landscape of true crime media. A standout is its emphasis on responsible, ethical storytelling and the intersection of memoir, journalism, and documentary-style inquiry, which can appeal to listeners who enjoy depth, context, and professional p... more

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