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Wicked Words - A True Crime Talk Show with Kate Winkler Dawson

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True Crime
Murder
Lizzie Borden
Fall River
Justice System
World War II
Historical True Crime
Jack the Ripper
Mental Health
Family Dynamics
Rebecca Briggs Cornell
Grant Amato
Incel Community
Relisha Rudd
Stephanie St. Clair
New York City
Serial Killers
Domestic Violence
Wrongful Conviction
John Chiswell

Welcome to Tenfold More Wicked Presents: Wicked Words, Kate Winkler Dawson's true crime talk show. On each new episode of Wicked Words, Kate interviews journalists, podcasters and authors about their fascinating behind-the-scenes stories from their investigations in the world of true crime, many of which have never been shared before. Kate interviews Patricia Cornwell, the prolific true crime auth... more

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Arthur Conan Doyle created one of literature's great characters, Sherlock Holmes. Holmes was analytical, methodical, and brilliant. Doyle modeled Holmes not after a real detective but after a surgeon he admired: Joseph Bell. In her new book, Sleuth-H... more

This is a fascinating case. In 1969, police found the body of a young woman, tossed over the edge of Mulholland Drive in LA. She went unidentified for decades and her murderer was on the loose. Author Catherine Fogarty launched her own investigation ... more

Rene Denfeld is not only a novelist; she’s also an investigator who works on wrongful conviction cases. In her thriller, The Talking Bone, Denfeld uses her background and some of her cases to tell the story of a female investigator looking into the c... more

In the 1930s, a Indigenous man was targeted by prosecutors in the murder of his wife. He claimed he was innocent. And a high-profile author who created an iconic detective series believed him. Jack El-Hai tells me the story at the center of his book:... more

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Recent Guests

Lindsey Fitzharris
Medical historian and New York Times bestselling author
Episode: Lindsey Fitzharris: Sleuth-Hound
Catherine Fogarty
Author and journalist who investigated the identity and murder of Rita Sylvia Jurbetsen
Episode: Catherine Fogarty: The Girl with No Name
Rene Denfeld
Author and investigator; author of The Talking Bone
Author
Episode: Rene Denfeld: The Talking Bone
Jack El-Hai
Author of The Case of the Autographed Corpse
Author, The Case of the Autographed Corpse
Episode: Jack El-Hai: The Case of the Autographed Corpse
Ashan Singh
ABC News correspondent
ABC News
Episode: Ashan Singh: What Happened to the McStays?
James T. Bartlett
Author focused on historical true crime in Burbank, including The Alaskan Blonde and True Crime Burbank
Author/Historian
Episode: James T. Bartlett: True Crime Burbank
Maria DiLorenzo
Journalist and author of Confessions of the Green River Killer
Author, Journalist
Episode: Maria DiLorenzo: Confessions of the Green River Killer
Shawn Johnson
FBI agent who chased the Hollywood-era bank robbers
FBI
Episode: Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank
Steven Meyers
Accomplice involved in the bank robberies and prior drug operation
Private associate (investigative recount)
Episode: Steve Meyers + Shawn Johnson: How to Rob a Bank

Host

Kate Winkler Dawson
Host of Wicked Words, nonfiction author and journalism professor; interviews journalists and authors about true crime behind-the-scenes.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 11k ratings
  • Kate Winkler Dawson - Beautiful Storytelling

    I found my way to this podcast from “Buried Bones”, and something that I have found that I deeply appreciate is that Kate Winkler Dawson is an amazing storyteller. She presents the retelling of historical events so respectfully and beautifully that it makes it easier to follow these cases. I have found that she carries a deep respect for the victims of these killers and their surviving families. While I don’t always agree with every single guest on the podcast, I overall truly like every episode... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Carmella05
    United States15 days ago
  • Maria DeLorenzo - terrible episode!

    I am a long time listener and huge fan of all of Kate Winkler Dawson’s work. I was so dissatisfied in this interview. Not only does Mrs Lorenzo come across as pandering to this horrible killer, I cannot take a journalist seriously who says “axed me,” just no. Kate is so well spoken and intelligent, it made the difference that much more glaring between them. Couldn’t even finish the episode.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    podcasts are my me time
    United Statesa month ago
  • Robert Hilland "Chasing Evil"

    Well, I got the audio book and OH MY GOODNESS It is such a good story on so many levels. A warning tho his voice is pretty dead pan lolol. It didn't matter at all after about 10min. The dedication and deep emotional connection to his work as an investigator is expressed in the amount of energy and focus laid out in the book. Im so invested at 5hrs in and am going to stop listening for a few days so I can make the whole experience last !!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    impish.lady
    United States2 months ago
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    Ew.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Prawn Travolta
    United States3 months ago
  • Best Story Teller

    I adore Kate! She is a fantastic journalist and story teller. I could listen to her for hours…. I do! Ten Fold was such a wonder series and I’m said it came to an end but, I am happy she has continued her story telling with Buried Bones. Exactly Rights researchers and Kate herself do a spectacular job. They do their absolute best to gather the most information and details. This series and Buried Bones are must listens .

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    NinaGarrRawr
    United States3 months ago

Listeners Say

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Ethical, careful storytelling earns strong listener trust.
Ad-heavy episodes reduce listening flow; sponsorships affect rhythm.
Long-form interviews with investigative professionals are highly valued.
Adapting to new formats drew mixed reactions from longtime fans.
Guest quality and interview depth are praised; some episodes feel uneven.

Chart Rankings

How this podcast ranks in the Apple Podcasts, Spotify and YouTube charts.

Apple Podcasts
#229
United States/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#237
France/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#104
Colombia/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#161
South Africa/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#195
Indonesia/True Crime
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#234
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Lindsey Fitzharris: Sleuth-Hound
Q: What was the Eugene Chanterelle case?
Chanterelle's wife died after what appeared to be a gas leak, but Henry Duncan Littlejohn suspected foul play and investigation revealed opium poisoning. Chanterelle was convicted, and at his execution he reportedly credited Joe Bell with helping bring him to justice.
Lindsey Fitzharris: Sleuth-Hound
Q: What did Joseph Bell do, and what was he like as a person?
Bell was a surgeon and teacher known for close observation, forensic work and mentoring students. He advocated for nursing reform and women in medicine, and Fitzharris describes him as a compassionate family man rather than the emotionally distant figure associated with Sherlock Holmes.
Catherine Fogarty: The Girl with No Name
Q: Can there be an arrest? Was there an arrest in this case?
No arrest has been made. Fogarty says the information uncovered was given to the LAPD, but the department's cold-case unit was disbanded and the case has had limited active attention.
Catherine Fogarty: The Girl with No Name
Q: So who is she? Who is Jane Doe 59?
She was identified as 19-year-old Rita Sylvia Jurbetsen from Montreal. Friends recognized her from an online missing-persons listing, and a DNA match with her sister confirmed her identity.
Jack El-Hai: The Case of the Autographed Corpse
Q: What was the significance of the rock with Silas John Edwards' initials in the trial?
Prosecutors argued the rock and initials established a traditional Apache habit of leaving a name at the scene, but the defense disputed this interpretation, making it a central point of contention in jury deliberations and a key symbolic element in the trial.

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What is Wicked Words about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Wicked Words features long-form conversations with journalists, authors, and podcasters who share behind-the-scenes insights from true crime investigations. Episodes tend to center on storytelling craft, investigative ethics, and the human impact of crime, with a focus on historical cases, investigative processes, and how media shapes public perception. Notably, the show often pairs seasoned reporters with book authors or filmmakers to dissect cases, the writing/storytelling process, and the evolving landscape of true crime media. A standout is its emphasis on responsible, ethical storytelling and the intersection of memoir, journalism, and documentary-style inquiry, which can appeal to listeners who enjoy depth, context, and professional p... more

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1. Lindsey Fitzharris
2. Catherine Fogarty
3. Rene Denfeld
4. Jack El-Hai
5. Ashan Singh
6. James T. Bartlett
7. Maria DiLorenzo
8. Shawn Johnson

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