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Over the next 20 years, the telco industry will radically change as we move the entire IT estate to the public cloud to use AI. Are you ready? Telco in 20 helps telecom execs drive transformative change through the savvy use of public cloud and AI. Host Danielle Rios and high profile guests from across telecom share their vision for the industry’s future, the impact of artificial intelligence, and... more

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In the first half of 2026, telcos spent $65 billion on mergers: Charter and Cox, Vodafone and Three, Fastweb and Vodafone Italy. Every one of those deals leaves somebody with two of everything and years of work to untangle it all. So what do you do w... more

I’ve been a guest on the Telecoms​.com podcast three times, and the dynamic never changes: hosts Scott Bicheno and Iain Morris see doom, I see upside. This year, Scott admitted he’s bored of his own dystopia and wanted someone to argue the other side... more

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Every ten years, telcos have to decide whether to move to the next G. The business case has always been based on usage, capacity, and a revenue forecast. That’s because the one number that should drive the decision—what each cell actually earns—has b... more

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Every telco has hundreds of AI use cases, dozens of pilots, thousands of agents. So why can’t they get to production at scale?

I sat down with Kevin Shatzkamer, corporate vice president of the Telco and Media Engineering Studio at Microsoft Frontier... more

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Recent Guests

Max Gasparroni
Chief technology and security officer at Fastweb + Vodafone
Fastweb + Vodafone
Episode: Ep 152 - Fastweb + Vodafone charts a new course (Max Gasparroni)
Scott Bicheno
Editorial director at Telecoms.com and co-host of its podcast
Telecoms.com
Episode: Ep 151 - TL;DR: Telecoms​.com (Scott Bicheno/Iain Morris)
Iain Morris
International editor at Light Reading and co-host of the Telecoms.com podcast
Light Reading
Episode: Ep 151 - TL;DR: Telecoms​.com (Scott Bicheno/Iain Morris)
Mark Sanders
Chief Architect
Telstra
Episode: Ep 150 - 6G is different. AI is why.
Kevin Shatzkamer
Corporate Vice President leading the Telco and Media Engineering Studio
Microsoft Frontier Company
Episode: Ep 149 - Microsoft deploys the FDEs (Kevin Shatzkamer)
Stefan Pongratz
Mobile Infrastructure Analyst at Dell'Oro Group
Dell'Oro Group
Episode: Ep 148 - To G, or not to G (Stefan Pongratz)
Guy Daniels
Chief Strategy Officer and Content Director at TelecomTV
TelecomTV
Episode: Ep 147 - ANTA: TelecomTV’s AI-Native Telco Accelerator (Guy Daniels)
Mariam Kaynia
Chief Data and Information Officer at Eutelsat
Eutelsat
Episode: Ep 146 - Eutelsat’s AI in the sky (Dr. Mariam Kaynia)
Mark Düsener
Chief Technology and Information Officer at Swisscom
Swisscom
Episode: Ep 145 - Swisscom is building the AI-first telco (Mark Düsener)

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Danielle Rios
Totogi executive, featured on the Mobile World Live wrap-up; host focusing on AI, public cloud, and telco modernization.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 50 ratings
  • Entertaining and insightful

    This podcast is really great. The production value is off the charts. Was laughing along with the Jim Abolt episode - legitimately entertaining and insightful. Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drenee2
    United States3 years ago
  • Love the cloud approach to telco

    Great ideas on the public cloud approach for telco companies, if you are related to telco you will love it!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    xe1uca
    Mexico5 years ago
  • Entertaining and insightful

    This podcast is really great. The production value is off the charts. Was laughing along with the Jim Abolt episode - legitimately entertaining and insightful. Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drenee2
    United States6 years ago
  • First episode

    Just listened to the first episode of telco in 20 on transformational leadership . It takes big bold vision to move telcos to the public cloud! Looking forward to hearing more episodes and learning ; fast, fun and fab

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Timo in Waterloo
    Canada6 years ago
  • Review

    Great stuff

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    chadoup
    United States6 years ago

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Well-produced and insightful with practical takeaways.
Strong focus on cloud approach for telco; useful for professionals in the space.
Entertaining with high production value and expert guests.
Fast-paced, practical leadership and transformation insights from telco leaders.

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Ep 152 - Fastweb + Vodafone charts a new course (Max Gasparroni)
Q: Are you guys starting to use AI to help you do this merging, this migrating, this swapping work, or still too early with AI to use it on these systems?
Gasparroni says the company is using automation and AI with guardrails and human oversight. Its applications include network automation and tools for everyday work, with a dedicated Digital Network and AI team developing use cases.
Ep 152 - Fastweb + Vodafone charts a new course (Max Gasparroni)
Q: At the end of 2024, Fastweb bought Vodafone Italy. What was the thesis behind that acquisition? Why did that make sense for you guys to do that?
Gasparroni says the deal combined Fastweb's fixed-line strengths with Vodafone Italy's mobile infrastructure and advanced services. Greater scale is intended to improve cost efficiency and support investment, with about €600 million in annual run-rate synergies expected.
Ep 151 - TL;DR: Telecoms​.com (Scott Bicheno/Iain Morris)
Q: What does it provide the sort of guardrails?
Rios says the ontology captures processes, rules and decision-making from human experts. AI can act only within that recorded framework, and its decisions have an auditable trail.
Ep 151 - TL;DR: Telecoms​.com (Scott Bicheno/Iain Morris)
Q: Is this what needs to happen? Cleaning needs to happen so that you can, I mean, whatever everybody talks about.
Rios says operators should not delay AI for a long data-cleaning project. They can use AI and the Totogi Ontology to identify inconsistencies and fix them as they arise.
Ep 148 - To G, or not to G (Stefan Pongratz)
Q: What do you think operators are going to be able to do with AI that they could not do before?
AI will enable both networks for AI and AI for networks, driving efficiency and automation toward autonomous operations, with a focus on optimization of existing assets and smarter, data-driven investment decisions rather than relying solely on new revenue from next-gen services.

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This show centers on telco modernization through public cloud adoption and AI, featuring senior technology leaders and industry analysts who share practical strategies for transforming legacy stacks, governance, and data platforms into AI-enabled operations. Episodes frequently explore AI governance, ontology-driven decisioning, cloud-native architectures, and partnerships with hyperscalers, with real-world migration stories, dev-ops for AI, and the business case for moving to autonomous networks. A standout is the consistently hands-on focus on actionable frameworks (ontologies, data foundations) and the tension between rapid AI-driven change and maintaining reliability and control in live telecom environments.

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