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Over the next 20 years, the telco industry will radically change as we move the entire IT estate to the public cloud to use AI. Are you ready? Telco in 20 helps telecom execs drive transformative change through the savvy use of public cloud and AI. Host Danielle Rios and high profile guests from across telecom share their vision for the industry’s future, the impact of artificial intelligence, and... more

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Shawn Hakl
Senior Vice President of Product at AT&T Business
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Episode: Ep 142 - AT&T bets on the last mile (Shawn Hakl)
Ove Wik
Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Information Officer at Tele2
Tele2
Episode: Ep 141 - Tele2 goes back to the future (Ove Wik)
Roy Chua
Founder and principal at AvidThink
AvidThink
Episode: Ep 140 - Will telco let AI write its code? (Roy Chua)
Kanika Atri
Senior Director of Telecoms at Nvidia
Nvidia
Episode: Ep 139 - Can telco build an AI grid? (NVIDIA’s Kanika Atri)
Chris Wade
Co-founder and CTO at Itential
Itential
Episode: Ep 138 - From programmable networks to agentic AI (Chris Wade)
Danielle Rios
Totogi executive, featured on the Mobile World Live wrap-up
Totogi
Episode: Ep 136 - MWC26 Wrap Up (Mobile World Live)
Walid Abdul-Majeed
Director of Technology Strategy and Digital Transformation at Zain Sudan
Zain Sudan
Episode: Ep 134 - Show me the money (MWC)
Rick Lievano
CTO for Worldwide Telecommunications Industry at Microsoft
Microsoft
Episode: Ep 132 - Microsoft's framework for autonomous networks (Rick Lievano)
Dean Bubley
Founder and director of Disruptive Analysis
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Episode: Ep 131 - Two takes on telco’s biggest bets for 2026 (Dean Bubley)

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Danielle Rios
Totogi executive, featured on the Mobile World Live wrap-up; Host of Telco in 20

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 48 ratings
  • Entertaining and insightful

    This podcast is really great. The production value is off the charts. Was laughing along with the Jim Abolt episode - legitimately entertaining and insightful. Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drenee2
    United States3 years ago
  • Love the cloud approach to telco

    Great ideas on the public cloud approach for telco companies, if you are related to telco you will love it!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    xe1uca
    Mexico5 years ago
  • Entertaining and insightful

    This podcast is really great. The production value is off the charts. Was laughing along with the Jim Abolt episode - legitimately entertaining and insightful. Well done

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drenee2
    United States6 years ago
  • First episode

    Just listened to the first episode of telco in 20 on transformational leadership . It takes big bold vision to move telcos to the public cloud! Looking forward to hearing more episodes and learning ; fast, fun and fab

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Timo in Waterloo
    Canada6 years ago
  • Review

    Great stuff

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    chadoup
    United States6 years ago

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Ep 141 - Tele2 goes back to the future (Ove Wik)
Q: What would you say to operators who fear the cost or risk of transformation?
Start by defining the customer impact of each rule and process; if it doesn't affect the customer, you can safely move on. This mindset helps finish transformations faster and with better business outcomes.
Ep 141 - Tele2 goes back to the future (Ove Wik)
Q: How did Tele2 move from six IT stacks to two, and what role did the architectural approach play?
Consolidation was driven by a disciplined evaluation of what truly affects the customer experience, supported by a clear architectural plan and a framework (Tatogi) that maps processes and rules to reveal the 80/20 that matters most, enabling bold trade-offs.
Ep 141 - Tele2 goes back to the future (Ove Wik)
Q: What is one big lesson you learned from your time at Veon that Tele2 applied to its transformation?
The key lesson was to shift one system at a time and never attempt a sweeping change without ensuring all parts—processes, rules, and customer interactions—cohere in a unified end-to-end transformation.
Ep 139 - Can telco build an AI grid? (NVIDIA’s Kanika Atri)
Q: So what's an AI grid? Tell me about that.
Kanika explains that an AI grid is a distributed AI compute fabric built on telco infrastructure, turning millions of cell sites and data centers into a unified, intelligent platform that can allocate workloads based on latency and compute needs.
Ep 138 - From programmable networks to agentic AI (Chris Wade)
Q: Tell me about FlowAI and how it operates in live production networks.
FlowAI adds an agentic layer that can operate infrastructure, not just monitor it, by combining an MCP-based reasoning layer with a deteministic core to maintain trust while enabling actual action on the network.

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The show centers on how telecoms can accelerate transformation by moving software and operations to public cloud and AI. Episodes consistently explore AI-driven telco software, ontology and context layering, orchestration via agentic automation, and the evolving role of hyperscalers and sovereign cloud in network strategy. Noteworthy is the emphasis on practical, real-world deployments, governance, and commercial transformation, with guests ranging from CTOs and researchers to analysts and operators. This mix provides listeners with actionable insights on implementing AI in networks, establishing common ontologies, and navigating the shift to cloud-native telco infrastructure.

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