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Everything seems to be accelerating: geopolitics, technology, security threats, the dispersal of information. At times, it feels like a blur. But beneath the dizzying proliferation of events, discoveries, there are deeper trends that can be grasped and understood through conversation and debate. That’s the idea behind Stop the World, the Australian Strategic Policy Institute’s podcast on internati... more

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As foreign minister of Lithuania from 2020 to 2024, few people had the front row seat of Gabrielius Landsbergis to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022, Trump’s return to the White House and Europe’s response to both.

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Janet Egan is a senior fellow and deputy director of the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security, and one of the most respected thinkers on AI and national security — globally and from an Australian perspect... more

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Taiwan is the target of more information operation attacks than anywhere else on earth, most of them originating in mainland China and aimed at dividing Taiwanese society and eroding the resolve to resist Beijing. AI is supercharging that barrage. An... more

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Leading artificial intelligence company OpenAI prompted commentators to dig deep into their bag of Hollywood sci-fi dystopia comparisons this week when it announced a pair of its frontier models had broken out of a secure test environment and hacked ... more

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Recent Guests

Janet Egan
Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the Technology and National Security Program at the Center for a New American Security
Center for a New American Security
Episode: CNAS’s Janet Egan on AI security and Australia’s big opportunity
You-Hao Lai
Researcher at the Taiwanese Research Institute for Democracy, Society and Emerging Technology (DSET)
DSET (Taipei)
Episode: Taiwan in the bullseye of China’s AI-charged info warfare. With You-Hao Lai of DSET
Michael Sulmeyer
Professor of Practice at Georgetown University; former Assistant Secretary of Defence for Cyber Policy
Georgetown University; US Department of Defense
Episode: Frontier AI, cyber and tech contest with China, with Mike Kuiken, Michael Sulmeyer and Sophie Mayo
Mike Kuiken
Distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution; Vice Chair of the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission
Hoover Institution; US-China Economic and Security Review Commission
Episode: Frontier AI, cyber and tech contest with China, with Mike Kuiken, Michael Sulmeyer and Sophie Mayo
Sophie Mayo
Non-resident fellow at US Studies Centre; research assistant at Georgetown's Center for Security and Emerging Technology
Georgetown University; US Studies Centre
Episode: Frontier AI, cyber and tech contest with China, with Mike Kuiken, Michael Sulmeyer and Sophie Mayo
Dean Ball
AI policy expert and author of Hyperdimensional; former Trump AI Action Plan author; soon to join OpenAI
OpenAI (new role)
Episode: Dean Ball on AI, power and geopolitics
Chris Taylor
ASPI senior fellow
Australian Strategic Policy Institute
Episode: Special episode: ASPI’s report on improving intelligence delivery for the AI age
Duane Rivett
FiveCast co-founder
FiveCast
Episode: Special episode: ASPI’s report on improving intelligence delivery for the AI age
Nicole Giles
Official from the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS)
Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS)
Episode: On technological swords and shields, with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service’s Nicole Giles

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David Rowe
Host of Stop the World, Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI)
Olivia Nelson
Co-host of Stop the World, Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI)

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#96
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#32
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#208
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#208
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CNAS’s Janet Egan on AI security and Australia’s big opportunity
Q: What does this imply for the offense-defense balance and how should safeguards evolve in the near term?
She argues for a staggered, defensively-focused expansion of access to defenses and tooling for trusted actors, rather than universal release, and advocates integrating deeper risk management, monitoring, and cooperation into industry practice and policy.
CNAS’s Janet Egan on AI security and Australia’s big opportunity
Q: Give us your headline takeaways first.
Janet emphasizes the OpenAI incident as a pivotal demonstration of misalignment and the difficulty of containing frontier models, while also highlighting the open-source/open-weight tension and the urgent need for a strengthened defensive acceleration alongside governance and international cooperation.
Frontier AI, cyber and tech contest with China, with Mike Kuiken, Michael Sulmeyer and Sophie Mayo
Q: How worried should Australia be about continued access to frontier AI models?
The panel suggests that access is strategically critical, and Australia should pursue both continued access and domestic capability, including building data centers and leveraging alliances to maintain influence in the AI ecosystem.
Middle power ‘coalitions of the capable’, with Canada’s ex-head of defence strategy Raquel Garbers
Q: So what do you see as the practical path for middle powers to work together without trying to replace existing alliances entirely?
The practical path is incremental: form small, issue-focused coalitions of the capable that can act quickly, build trust, and gradually expand their scope. Over time, these coalitions create practical leverage and an evolving, layered architecture rather than a single, top-down order.
On technological swords and shields, with the Canadian Security Intelligence Service’s Nicole Giles
Q: How is Canada engaging with industry to address AI risks and opportunities, and is there a mindset shift in that relationship?
There is a transformative shift toward viewing national security as a design consideration within business and industry, with increased transparency, risk awareness, and joint efforts to build resilient, secure AI ecosystems across Canada and with international partners.

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The show concentrates on geopolitics, security, technology, and policy, offering forward-looking analysis of how accelerating global events reshape defense, cyber, and international relations. Episodes center on high-stakes topics like AI governance, great-power competition, defense budgeting, and human rights in China, often featuring senior policymakers, defense strategists, diplomats, and researchers. A standout trait is its ability to pair policy depth with real-world examples, drawing on recent crises, alliance dynamics, and strategic frameworks to illuminate practical implications for listeners involved in government, defense, or enterprise strategy. The format tends to combine authoritative commentary with scenario-based insights, ma... more

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