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State Secrets

The Cipher Brief
China
Russia
National Security
Ukraine
CIA
Artificial Intelligence
Iran
Hamas
Cybersecurity
United States
Israel
Department Of Defense
NATO
Espionage
Counterterrorism
Havana Syndrome
Critical Infrastructure
Middle East Conflict
Taiwan
National Security Agency (NSA)

State Secrets is a weekly interview podcast featuring Cipher Brief experts and national security leaders.

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What happens when artificial intelligence, climate disruption, geopolitical rivalry, and information warfare collide?

In this episode of the State Secrets Podcast, Cipher Brief CEO Suzanne Kelly sits down with retired Admiral James Stavridis and be... more

What does it take to make a modern espionage thriller feel real?

In this episode of State Secrets, Suzanne Kelly sits down with acclaimed director Andrew Bernstein to discuss Jack Ryan: Ghost War — the new feature-length installment of the iconic f... more

Former Australian Signals Directorate Director-General Rachel Noble joins State Secrets with Suzanne Kelly for a rare insider's look at the cyber battles shaping modern national security. From China's targeting of critical infrastructure to Russia, I... more

Jennifer Ewbank dives deep into how algorithmic manipulation and AI are reshaping the battlefield of information.

As threats evolve, our understanding of them must too. The convergence of technology and tactics is unprecedented, and it's vital to ... more

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Recent Guests

Rachel Noble
Former Director General of the Australian Signals Directorate (ASD)
Australian Signals Directorate
Episode: China, Cyber War & the Five Eyes Fight: Rachel Noble on the New Front Lines of National Security
Jennifer Ewbank
Founder of Andamand Strategic Advisors; former Deputy Director of CIA for Digital Innovation
Andamand Strategic Advisors; CIA
Episode: The Narrative Kill Chain
Andrew Zammit
Postdoctoral research fellow focusing on terrorism and security studies, with work on violent extremism in Australia and transnational dimensions of armed conflict
Victoria University, Australia
Episode: ISIS Reawakens: What the Bondi Attack Signals for Global Terror
Levi West
Postdoctoral research fellow specializing in terrorism, propaganda, and technology, with focus on modeling radicalization
Australian National University
Episode: ISIS Reawakens: What the Bondi Attack Signals for Global Terror
Gilman Louie
Co-founder and managing partner of America's Frontier Fund; former CEO of Inquadrant/Incutel influence
America's Frontier Fund
Episode: China's Fancy Dragons in the Sky Hold Hidden Clues for National Security
Sir Richard Moore
The former head of MI6, recognized for his impact in alliances.
MI6
Episode: The Former Chief of MI6 on Alliances, Adversaries, AI & Aliens
Glenn Corn
Former CIA Officer and expert on national security
Episode: From a Bunker in Ukraine: Two Former CIA Officers Share Intel
General Paul Nakasone
Former Director of the NSA and Commander of US Cyber Command
Vanderbilt University Institute of National Security
Episode: What We Must Get Right In Cyber
Mark Greaney
Number one New York Times bestselling author of the Gray Man series and co-author of multiple Tom Clancy novels.
Episode: Mark Greaney gets gritty about what it takes to pen the perfect spy thriller

Hosts

Suzanne Kelly
Host and Cipher Brief executive with extensive involvement in national security discussions and media outreach.
Brad Christian
Co-host with a background in security and policy discussions.

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 121 ratings
  • EXCEPTIONAL

    …interview with Mike Driscoll was exceptional! Thank you.

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    GeneM68
    United States6 months ago
  • Propaganda

    Military Industrial Complex has-beens are trending as guests with agendas to advocate for dated strategies, acquisitions or other bad ideas.

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    United States2 years ago
  • Ed Bogan

    The interview of Ed Bogan is excellent!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Unisaw
    United States2 years ago
  • Eager listener

    I love tuning in to this podcast. Very informative, while remaining interesting. Nice work! :)

    Apple Podcasts
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    Jacsta1234
    Australia3 years ago
  • Steve Blank EXCEPTIONAL

    That interview with Steve Blank was exceptional ”at scale!”

    Apple Podcasts
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    GeneM68
    United States4 years ago

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Insightful, practitioner-focused interviews with leaders in security and technology.
Balanced discussions that are accessible to professionals and lay listeners alike.
High-quality, expert guests and deep dives into current security topics.
Listeners appreciate access to a network of leading security thinkers.
Some feedback notes variable audio quality but strong ongoing improvement.

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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

China, Cyber War & the Five Eyes Fight: Rachel Noble on the New Front Lines of National Security
Q: What makes Five Eyes particularly important in today's cyber landscape?
Five Eyes provides a trusted, long-running framework for sharing threat intelligence and coordinating responses across allied nations. The collaboration helps detect and disrupt state-based and criminal cyber actors by pooling capabilities and insights, which is essential given the speed and scale of modern cyber operations.
The Narrative Kill Chain
Q: What role do elections play in these dynamics?
Elections are a focal point where adversaries intensify influence operations, but the overarching goal is to erode trust in institutions and social cohesion, not just to win a single election.
The Narrative Kill Chain
Q: How should society respond to AI-enabled disinformation while preserving free speech?
Adopt forensic tagging of synthetic media at ingestion and leverage collaboration between government and industry to enhance detection without limiting speech or access to information.
The Narrative Kill Chain
Q: What is the Narrative Kill Chain and why is it significant?
It's a framework describing an industrial-like pipeline for producing and distributing synthetic media, showing how threats scale and persist beyond a single campaign, which necessitates ongoing, multi-layered defenses.
The Former Chief of MI6 on Alliances, Adversaries, AI & Aliens
Q: How do you think the Western world should be understanding what the intent is here in the long term?
Xi Jinping's strategy is clear, aimed at strengthening China while undermining Western interests, identifying areas for engagement while also strengthening defense.

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This show consistently centers on national security, cyber operations, and the evolving role of private industry in defense. Guests range from former intelligence leaders and military practitioners to scholars and authors who analyze topics like Five Eyes collaboration, AI-driven disinformation, cyber resilience, and geopolitical tech competition. Across episodes, practical defense measures, public-private partnerships, and open conversations about intelligence work stand out as recurring throughlines, making it a strong fit for listeners who want expert context on current security challenges and the human side of espionage and policy.

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2. Jennifer Ewbank
3. Andrew Zammit
4. Levi West
5. Gilman Louie
6. Sir Richard Moore
7. Glenn Corn
8. General Paul Nakasone

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