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Big ideas and big debates, explained through intimate conversations with the compelling personalities who shape them. AI and biotech. Higher education and health care. Climate and sustainability. Politics and the media. Culture and culture wars. Hosted by Boston Globe columnist Shirley Leung.

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Dr. Elisabeth Marnik is not your average immunologist.  Because she grew up unvaccinated, she has a special insight into why people choose to opt out of vaccine schedules and what can be done to build trust and increase vaccine acceptance. This week ... more

Comedian Alex Edelman is always striving to be better. He spent his childhood going to a yeshiva Jewish day school in Brookline Massachusetts, and now performs comedy on the world’s biggest stages. He’s well known for an award-winning Broadway show “... more

Dr. Khameer Kidia is a physician and mental health researcher at Harvard Medical School and University of Zimbabwe. He headlined the Globe’s Health Equity Summit this year, discussing the ways that Western psychiatry fails to meet the demands of our ... more

In his final days, Massachusetts political legend Barney Frank had harsh words for the democratic party. This week on Say More’s political panel, Opinion writer Joan Vennochi, and Globe Ideas writer Abdallah Fayyad discuss the salience of Frank’s fin... more

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Alex Edelman
Comedian
Just For Us (HBO show)
Episode: “No Bubbes, No Bagels.” Comedian Alex Edelman Hates Shtick
Khameer Kidia
Physician and mental health researcher at Harvard Medical School and University of Zimbabwe
Harvard Medical School; University of Zimbabwe
Episode: Say More LIVE: What Zimbabwe Can Teach Boston about Mental Health Care
Abdallah Fayyad
Globe Ideas writer
Globe Ideas
Episode: Politics Panel: Was Barney Frank Right? Plus Rent Control and the Governor’s Race.
Joan Vennochi
Columnist
Globe Opinion
Episode: Politics Panel: Was Barney Frank Right? Plus Rent Control and the Governor’s Race.
Barney Frank
Former Congressman from Massachusetts
U.S. Congress
Episode: Chris Lydon Got Barney Frank his First Job in Politics.
Isaac Fitzgerald
Writer; author of American Rambler and Dirtbag, Massachusetts
Author
Episode: Isaac Fitzgerald and Johnny Appleseed are Massachusetts Dirtbags.
Chris Serres
Globe Addiction Reporter who led the investigation
Boston Globe
Episode: Are Casinos Preying on Asians in Massachusetts? A Globe Team Investigated.
Larry Edelman
Editor and journalist focusing on economics and business
Boston Globe
Episode: BONUS: At the Boston Globe, the Work from Home Debate Rages on
Patrick Radden Keefe
Author and journalist known for Say Nothing and London Falling
The New Yorker, author of London Falling
Episode: Patrick Radden Keefe on “London Falling” and his Boston Roots

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Shirley Leung
Host of Say More; Boston Globe Opinion (and related outlets); experienced political and business journalist.
Anna Kusmer
Co-host; journalist with a focus on business, economics, and culture; core contributor.
Jim Dao
Host of Say More; Boston Globe veteran journalist with political and policy focus.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 83 ratings
  • Cancer podcasts

    I learned a lot and appreciate you all sharing your experiences.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Old lady Marie
    United Statesa year ago
  • Great conversation

    Really appreciated the first episode on cancer - hugely insightful, empathetic, and humane.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BakingNinja
    United Statesa year ago
  • Mediocre Libs Without Insight

    Tried to listen to the “war on the administrative state” episode. Recognizing that noted deep thinker Shirley Leung was absent, this one was really bad. Lots of feelings and vibes and straw men and very shallow analysis. No understanding of separation of powers and administrative law. Apparently the guest went to law school, not sure if it was ABA accredited.

    Then tried the Karen Read episode. Shirley has a perfect voice for a newspaper. She really should say less because it’s mostly fluff.

    Th... more

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Logical Thinker 2
    United Statesa year ago
  • Not worth it

    If you want to be lectured by a liberal who uses a lot of buzzwords this is the podcast for you!

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Bcm7
    United States2 years ago
  • Best host!

    Excellent podcast. Shirley is a curious listener, and her questions are often exactly what I am wondering - except for when she’s a few steps ahead of me, in which case I love coming along for the ride.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    HeatherSB_76
    United States2 years ago

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Candid, insightful conversations with strong regional perspective.
Strong guest diversity, from journalists to authors and policymakers.

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Isaac Fitzgerald and Johnny Appleseed are Massachusetts Dirtbags.
Q: How does Massachusetts shape your storytelling and your sense of identity?
The guest discusses regional pride, the scrappy dirtbag identity, and how the state's contrasts—wealth and poverty, education and disenfranchisement—inform both his memoirs and his readings of others.
Isaac Fitzgerald and Johnny Appleseed are Massachusetts Dirtbags.
Q: Why did you choose to retrace Johnny Appleseed's travels and what does that reveal about him?
Fitzgerald explains that he wanted to uncover the real complexities behind the legend and connect with the land and people he encountered, showing how myths can be both inspirational and imperfect.
Patrick Radden Keefe on “London Falling” and his Boston Roots
Q: How did you first come to this story and decide to write London Falling?
Keefe explains an offhand conversation in London inspired the book, where a stranger hinted at a family tragedy and a double life, leading him to investigate the underpinnings of wealth and power in London.
BONUS: At the Boston Globe, the Work from Home Debate Rages on
Q: What would keep Boston's downtown vibrant in the era of hybrid work?
A combination of thoughtful city support, incentives for in-person collaboration, and employer flexibility to attract talent while maintaining the benefits of remote work.
BONUS: At the Boston Globe, the Work from Home Debate Rages on
Q: Is it feasible for every company to require five days in the office?
No, the discussion frames it as a nuanced issue where some flexibility is necessary, and decisions should be tailored to company needs and employee circumstances.

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What is Say More about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show features in-depth conversations that blend journalism, policy, and culture with a strong regional lens. Episodes frequently tackle current events, politics, economics, and technology, often anchored by investigative reporting or data-driven analysis. Guests range from reporters and editors to authors, scientists, and policymakers, allowing nuanced discussions on topics like urban governance, education, health, AI, and the environment. A standout pattern is the host's ability to steer long-form, human-centered conversations that illuminate how big ideas play out in local communities and everyday life. The format often blends personal storytelling with rigorous context, making complex issues accessible without sacrificing depth. This... more

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1. Alex Edelman
2. Khameer Kidia
3. Abdallah Fayyad
4. Joan Vennochi
5. Barney Frank
6. Isaac Fitzgerald
7. Chris Serres
8. Larry Edelman

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