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Big ideas and big debates, explained through intimate conversations with the compelling personalities who shape them. AI and biotech. Higher education and health care. Climate and sustainability. Politics and the media. Culture and culture wars. Hosted by Boston Globe columnist Shirley Leung.

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Chelsea High School in Massachusetts is around 90 percent Latino, and the city has been ground zero for ICE raids in the Boston area. On the 250th anniversary of America’s founding, we wanted to know how teachers were talking to their students about ... more

If you ask Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley about her relationship with America, she doesn't mince words, “it’s complicated.” Pressley has come to develop strong feelings of patriotism that are rooted in love for American people and the promise of the A... more

This July 4th, liberals are faced with an awkward milestone. The country’s 250th anniversary requires our attention, and yet, the state of national politics brings only angst and despair. This month on Say More, we bring you the series PATRIOTISM IS ... more

Despite every prediction of endless traffic, grumpy residents and societal collapse, Boston hosting the World Cup has been downright delightful. The biggest surprise for many has been the Tartan Army, a truly shocking influx of Scottish fans in our s... more

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Recent Guests

Beverly Gage
US historian at Yale University
Yale University
Episode: PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Liberals have a Patriotism Problem
Ayanna Pressley
Massachusetts Congresswoman
U.S. Congress
Episode: PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Liberals have a Patriotism Problem
Ben Volin
Globe sportswriter covering the World Cup, senior NFL writer
The Boston Globe
Episode: How Boston Came Down with World Cup Fever
Rachael Rollins
Former US Attorney featured in interview segment
Former US Attorney for Massachusetts
Episode: Politics Panel: From Platner to Rollins, it’s One Scandal After Another.
Elizabeth Marnik
Executive Director of the Evidence Collective, immunologist
Evidence Collective
Episode: “Facts Alone Are Not Enough.” This Immunologist Grew up Unvaccinated.
Alex Edelman
Comedian
Just For Us (HBO show)
Episode: “No Bubbes, No Bagels.” Comedian Alex Edelman Hates Shtick
Khameer Kidia
Physician and mental health researcher at Harvard Medical School and University of Zimbabwe
Harvard Medical School; University of Zimbabwe
Episode: Say More LIVE: What Zimbabwe Can Teach Boston about Mental Health Care
Barney Frank
Former Congressman from Massachusetts
U.S. Congress
Episode: Chris Lydon Got Barney Frank his First Job in Politics.
Isaac Fitzgerald
Writer; author of American Rambler and Dirtbag, Massachusetts
Author
Episode: Isaac Fitzgerald and Johnny Appleseed are Massachusetts Dirtbags.

Hosts

Shirley Leung
Host of Say More; Boston Globe Opinion (and related outlets); experienced political and business journalist.
Anna Kusmer
Co-host; journalist with a focus on business, economics, and culture; core contributor.
Jim Dao
Host of Say More; Boston Globe veteran journalist with political and policy focus.

Reviews

4.3 out of 5 stars from 84 ratings
  • Cancer podcasts

    I learned a lot and appreciate you all sharing your experiences.

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    5
    Old lady Marie
    United Statesa year ago
  • Great conversation

    Really appreciated the first episode on cancer - hugely insightful, empathetic, and humane.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BakingNinja
    United Statesa year ago
  • Mediocre Libs Without Insight

    Tried to listen to the “war on the administrative state” episode. Recognizing that noted deep thinker Shirley Leung was absent, this one was really bad. Lots of feelings and vibes and straw men and very shallow analysis. No understanding of separation of powers and administrative law. Apparently the guest went to law school, not sure if it was ABA accredited.

    Then tried the Karen Read episode. Shirley has a perfect voice for a newspaper. She really should say less because it’s mostly fluff.

    Th... more

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    2
    Logical Thinker 2
    United States2 years ago
  • Not worth it

    If you want to be lectured by a liberal who uses a lot of buzzwords this is the podcast for you!

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    2
    Bcm7
    United States2 years ago
  • Best host!

    Excellent podcast. Shirley is a curious listener, and her questions are often exactly what I am wondering - except for when she’s a few steps ahead of me, in which case I love coming along for the ride.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    HeatherSB_76
    United States2 years ago

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Strong guest diversity, from journalists to authors and policymakers.

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PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Liberals have a Patriotism Problem
Q: What do you say to people who feel stuck in debate mode about this?
She suggests that understanding slavery and liberty together is essential, and that engaging with pivotal figures and sites from history helps people see how the country has evolved, which can inspire more constructive current dialogue.
PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Liberals have a Patriotism Problem
Q: Can you make a liberal case for Patriotism?
Gage argues that patriotism should be rooted in curiosity about the country, willingness to critique and engage with history, and a sense of democratic obligation that pushes for improving the nation, rather than simply praising it or blaming others.
PATRIOTISM IS A VERB: Teaching US History to Immigrant Kids
Q: What is your reflection on America 250 and what are you thinking about July 4th?
The reflection centers on recognizing that America's ideals of liberty and equality are aspirational and require ongoing work, including how we welcome new citizens and acknowledge historical wrongs.
“Facts Alone Are Not Enough.” This Immunologist Grew up Unvaccinated.
Q: What is your view on vaccination mandates in schools?
Mandates have historically increased uptake and are important for protecting vulnerable populations, but they should be balanced with empathetic engagement and accessible alternatives when needed.
“Facts Alone Are Not Enough.” This Immunologist Grew up Unvaccinated.
Q: What does the policy landscape look like for improving vaccine uptake beyond just presenting facts?
A combination of better doctor education, leveraging storytelling, and building empathetic, trusted messengers to have longer, ongoing conversations with communities.

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What is Say More about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show features in-depth conversations that blend journalism, policy, and culture with a strong regional lens. Episodes frequently tackle current events, politics, economics, and technology, often anchored by investigative reporting or data-driven analysis. Guests range from reporters and editors to authors, scientists, and policymakers, allowing nuanced discussions on topics like urban governance, education, health, AI, and the environment. A standout pattern is the host's ability to steer long-form, human-centered conversations that illuminate how big ideas play out in local communities and everyday life. The format often blends personal storytelling with rigorous context, making complex issues accessible without sacrificing depth. This... more

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2. Ayanna Pressley
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