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Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music

Andrew Gill and Leah Payne
Contemporary Christian Music
Christian Music
DC Talk
Teen Dance Ordinance
Mars Hill Church
Kurt Cobain
Purity Culture
Nirvana
Seattle
Evangelical Christianity
Tooth and Nail Records
Culture
Politics
Evangelicalism
Christian Bookstores
Christmas
Christian Hip Hop
John J. Thompson
Switchfoot
Carmen

Rock That Doesn’t Roll looks at how Christian music shaped the world we're living in now by telling individual stories from the peak era of the contemporary Christian music industry. In the 80s, 90s and early 2000s CCM grew into a billion dollar business that affected millions of evangelical young people. Through interviews with artists, industry players and average fans Dr. Leah Payne and Andrew ... more

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Artwork for Rock That Doesn't Roll: The Story of Christian Music

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In 1985 the Contemporary Christian Music industry reached a cultural height it would never regain. That's the basic case that Tim Dillinger has been making lately in his Substack, God's Music Is My Life. With artists like Amy Grant, Leslie Phillips, ... more

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Katie Thornton loves radio. Her series The Divided Dial has delved into conservative talk radio and shortwave. It won a 2023 Peabody Award. And her piece for Rolling Stone, "Jesus Take The Dial" goes in depth on CCM radio giant K-LOVE's operations.  more

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Ozzy Osbourne died in July. He was memorialized as the "Prince of Darkness" and was a key figure during the Satanic Panic of the 1980s. But our guest Jason P Woodbury points out that Osbourne's genius was in marrying heaven and hell- and if you liste... more

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Larry Norman thought another world was possible. Christians would make daring, artistic rock music. Mainstream musicians would make earnestly explore their spirituality in popular songs. He started a record label and an artist management company to m... more

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Recent Guests

Katie Thornton
Journalist and author of the Rolling Stone article "Jesus Take The Dial"
Rolling Stone
Episode: K-LOVE's Tradecraft (ft. Katie Thornton)
Jason P. Woodbury
Music Journalist and host of the Aquarium Drunkard Podcast
Aquarium Drunkard
Episode: Ozzy Osbourne, Christian Rocker (ft. Jason P Woodbury)
Gregory Alan Thornbury
Larry Norman's biographer and an erstwhile theologian
Episode: Larry Norman, the Guru of Christian Rock Part 1 (ft. Gregory Alan Thornbury)
Nathan Evans Fox
A musician exploring themes of faith and identity in his work
Independent Artist
Episode: Yallidarity Explained (ft. Nathan Evans Fox)
Derek Webb
Former member of Caedmon's Call and influential indie artist.
Episode: The Prayer of Caedmon (ft. Derek Webb)
Krispin Mayfield
Podcaster and religious trauma therapist
Krispin Mayfield Therapy
Episode: Fire Acquired: Shiny Happy People (ft. Krispin Mayfield)
Glenn Kaiser
A founding leader of Jesus People USA, a commune and musician
Jesus People USA
Episode: Cornerstone, Communes and Chicago Blues (ft. Glenn Kaiser)
Mason Mennenga
Crass youth pastor and content creator known for his humorous critiques of evangelical culture.
Episode: The Deconstructed Memelord Theologian (ft. Mason Mennenga)
Josh Caterer
Lead singer of the Smoking Popes
Smoking Popes
Episode: Giving Up Your Band For God (ft. Josh Caterer of Smoking Popes)

Hosts

Andrew Gill
Co-host and producer known for his work in music journalism and insights into the Christian rock scene.
Leah Payne
Co-host, author, and historian specializing in contemporary Christian music and its cultural significance.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 248 ratings
  • Such a great listen

    I love this podcast! It’s very niche, for those of us who grew up in the ccm community (cult?) of the 90s and 2000s, but it’s both nostalgic and healing in many ways.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BotharMe
    United Statesa month ago
  • Subversive

    I started listening to an episode about the Christian punk rock and ska era. I was so excited. It was very interesting and reminiscent. Then halfway through we started sneaking in gender ideology within the church. There’s a lot of subversive messaging in these podcasts. I was disappointed. You could almost tell by the NPR style editing that this was a potential outcome. Highly disappointed. Could’ve been great otherwise. Always sneaking sexual deviancy into Christianity. it should’ve been no sh... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Coinymccoinface
    United States8 months ago
  • Love this Podcast .

    So well done ! Bravo

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bil10923874
    United Statesa year ago
  • It’s ok

    If you like this type of thing and don’t want the spin and tongue in cheek mockery of the music scene check out the Labeled Podcast. More real musicians that lived it.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    EthanRG
    United Statesa year ago
  • So bad.

    Unless you’re one of the 3 people who have ever heard of these terrible bands, it’s not interesting.

    I grew up in this era and this scene, although not the Christian part of it, and hoped to find some value here.

    Poorly produced and deeply boring.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    L Swan
    United Statesa year ago

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The production quality and storytelling are praised, highlighting the thoughtful examination of the cultural implications of Christian music over the years.
Listeners appreciate the podcast's ability to reignite nostalgia for Christian music and culture from their youth, often describing it as therapeutic and relatable.
There are mixed perspectives, with some critiques focusing on perceived biases or the framing of certain historical narratives, suggesting a divide in how the content resonates with varying viewpoints on faith.

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Larry Norman and Bob Dylan's Born Again Era Part 2 (ft. Gregory Alan Thornbury)
Q: Do you think the Christian music industry played any hand in building that world that you had to escape?
I think it had everything to do with it, but unwittingly.
Ozzy Osbourne, Christian Rocker (ft. Jason P Woodbury)
Q: Can you tell us a little bit about your entry into the Christian music space?
Jason discusses his upbringing in a religious household and how he engaged with Christian music during his youth through various genres and how they resonated with his experiences.
Yallidarity Explained (ft. Nathan Evans Fox)
Q: What themes do you explore in your music?
Fox highlights that while he doesn't consciously aim to incorporate religious themes, the language and imagery from his upbringing are unavoidable and often enrich his songwriting.
Yallidarity Explained (ft. Nathan Evans Fox)
Q: How did your upbringing inform your musical career?
Fox discusses how his diverse religious background and experiences shaped his musical style and perspective, allowing him to connect deeply with his roots while also critiquing certain aspects of the faith he grew up with.
The Prayer of Caedmon (ft. Derek Webb)
Q: What advice would you give to your 20-year-old self?
Always look for and make sure you are focused on caring for the marginalized and standing with the marginalized.

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What is This Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The content explores the intricate relationship between contemporary Christian music (CCM) and its lasting influence on individuals and culture, particularly among evangelical communities. Through interviews with artists and industry figures, the discussions reflect on the heyday of CCM during the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s while addressing its implications on personal identity, spirituality, and societal perceptions. Often interlaced with humor and nostalgia, the narratives also tackle significant themes such as purity culture and conservative politics, presenting a full spectrum of experiences related to this music genre. For anyone looking to understand the complexities and contradictions within the Christian music scene—or those seeking ... more

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