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Messy Social Work

Messy Social Work
Social Work
Child Protection
Family Group Conference
Relational Activism
Community Support
Kinship Care
Parenting Assessments
Parental Engagement
Social Work Analysis
Care Experience
Mental Health
Class Identity
New Zealand
Interpersonal Relationships
Motivational Interviewing
Lived Experience
Community Engagement
Domestic Abuse
Social Work Practice
Courage In Leadership

Welcome to the Messy Social Work podcast. The hosts are Richard Devine and Tim Fisher. Check out our website here: www.relationalactivism.com/

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In this episode of the Messy Social Work Podcast, Rich and Tim speak with Dr Paul Shuttleworth about his new book Listening to Children about Kinship Care: Child Welfare and Permanence. Drawing on powerful research and direct testimony from children ... more

In this episode, we explore why lived experience has become such a dominant force in social work, and ask: what are we missing when we treat it as unquestionable truth? Dr Stabler helps us think critically about how stories are used, who gets to tell... more

In this episode, Rich and Tim: How to Succeed at Failing, we reflect on the times we’ve got it wrong — professionally and personally — and explore why failure isn’t just inevitable, but essential. From missteps to lessons learned, we talk about how e... more

In this thoughtful and research-informed conversation, Rich and Tim speak with Professor Rick Barth about his influential article, “Ten Common Child Welfare Misconceptions.” The episode explores how widely held beliefs about child protection and fost... more

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Recent Guests

Professor Rick Barth
A leading figure in the field of social work and former dean at the University of Maryland School of Social Work
University of Maryland
Episode: Rich and Tim interview Prof Rick Barth on the top misconceptions in child protection
Professor Harry Ferguson
Retired social worker and academic specializing in child protection
Birmingham University
Episode: Rich and Tim speak to Prof. Harry Ferguson: Feeling, moving & sensing through the history of child protection social work
Dr. Lorna Stabler
An experienced social work researcher at Cascade, Cardiff University, focusing on family support and kinship placements.
Cardiff University
Episode: Rich and Tim chat with Dr. Lorna Stabler about what children think makes a great social worker, and explore the vital role of sibling and kinship carers
Cordie Gwilym
A social worker and coach who reflects on her experiences of adoption and loss.
Episode: Rich and Tim: 'headlines with Mithran' & Cordie Gwilym (Social Worker/Coach) on adoption, overcoming loss and coaching
Rasheed Pendry OBE
Director of Practice for Children and Family Social Care at Wandsworth
Wandsworth
Episode: Rich and Tim speak to Rasheed Pendry OBE (Director at Wandsworth) on systemic practice and leadership
Clarissa Stevens
A development worker for Peer Power and an advocate for young people
Peer Power
Episode: Rich and Tim speak to Clarissa Stevens (Development Worker for Peer Power) on how to work with teenagers and gangs
Kevin Campbell
American Child Protection, Children's Mental Health and Healthcare Innovator, co-founder and CEO of Pale Blue.
Pale Blue
Episode: Rich and Tim interview Kevin Campbell on Family Finding; an innovative method for finding family, love and connection
Mithran Samuel
Editor at Community Care
Community Care
Episode: Rich and Tim introduce 'Headlines' with CC Editor Mithran Samuel and Review 'Radical Help' by Hilary Cottam
Professor Jill Berrick
Professor of Social Work at Berkeley University and author of 'The Impossible Imperative'.
Berkeley University
Episode: Rich and Tim interview Prof Jill Derrick on the impossible imperative; navigating competing principles in child protection

Hosts

Rich Devine
Social worker with 15 years of experience, primarily in Child Protection, and passionate about improving practices in social work.
Tim Fisher
Social worker passionate about participation and community engagement, dedicated to enhancing child welfare and social work practices.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 52 ratings
  • Weaponising empathy and professional curiosity

    Words fail to describe my feelings about this episode. I listened today to Lads like Us , and Danny and Mike are inspirational. I have already passed on the episode with others (including to a friend who was interacting with a distraught child yesterday in out of school education) to share the wealth of wisdom, experience and insight. I will continue to share to motivate and inspire others. Thank you Rich, Mike and Danny…you are amazing, brilliant individuals.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ulongtime
    United Kingdom9 months ago
  • Learning so much from all of these podcasts

    Absolutely recommend

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Noralene
    United Kingdom2 years ago
  • Excellent podcasts

    Really great podcast! I learned a lot, especially from the authority and power in child protection podcast. This podcast was actually the jumping board for my capstone work. Thank you

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mharsbarrr
    Australia2 years ago
  • Always provokes learning

    Qualified in Sept 22 with 14+ years past experience of working with people in various statutory and voluntary roles, and this podcast still prompts new thoughts.

    Please can you consider doing something around ‘home conditions’ the challenges of quantifying, challenging parents and drawing the line.

    Great work.

    Chris

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Redman101986
    United Kingdom3 years ago
  • Relatable content

    Thank you Rich for your open, transparent detail to your childhood and your unconscious rationales on why you ended up in your job role. So much of what you talked about resonated with me and my decision making on my career choice. I look forward to hearing more episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    APCHAR
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Relevant insights for both new and experienced social workers.
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Rich and Tim interview Prof Rick Barth on the top misconceptions in child protection
Q: Does the paper suggest that child neglect is synonymous with family poverty?
No, the paper clarifies that while poverty can contribute to neglect, neglect is characterized by a lack of adequate care that goes beyond just financial issues; it encompasses a family's overall ability to provide a safe and nurturing environment.
Rich and Tim interview Prof Rick Barth on the top misconceptions in child protection
Q: In what way does the study challenge the assumptions surrounding child welfare policies?
The study presents evidence that challenges the assumption that bias is solely responsible for the disproportionate reporting and involvement of black families in child protective services. It argues that systemic factors, particularly poverty, play a significant role in these disparities.
Rich and Tim speak to Prof. Harry Ferguson: Feeling, moving & sensing through the history of child protection social work
Q: What makes for an interesting, fulfilling social work career, do you think?
I have great respect for social workers who stay at the front line, understanding the challenges and emotions involved in the work.
Rich and Tim speak to Prof. Harry Ferguson: Feeling, moving & sensing through the history of child protection social work
Q: Harry, do you have a favorite book?
Currently very taken with Hartmut Rosa's book, Resonance, about our relationship to the world, but my all-time favorite is Marshall Berman's All That Solid Melts Into Air.
Rich and Tim; 'Headlines with Mithran' (CC editor) and personal reflections on parenting
Q: How has it happened this year then, Rich, in particular, that it's felt like you have been able to be in the moment and be in those moments of joy?
Rich feels more aware of his time with kids during the holidays and credits years of therapy for helping him manage his tendencies to withdraw emotionally.

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What is Messy Social Work about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Focused on the intricacies and challenges of social work, this podcast addresses key topics related to child protection, family dynamics, and the emotional journeys faced by social workers and families alike. The hosts engage in insightful conversations with experts, academics, and practitioners, who share their experiences and knowledge on various social work issues, including the systemic complexities within child welfare, the importance of effective writing in practice, and the dynamics of kinship care. The podcast stands out for its emphasis on personal narratives and the vulnerabilities that social workers experience in their line of duty, making it both relatable and engaging for listeners who are professionals in the field or those i... more

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