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Public Defenseless

Hunter Parnell
Criminal Justice System
Public Defense
Criminal Justice Reform
Public Defenders
Death Penalty
Mass Incarceration
Mental Health
Indigent Defense
California
Solitary Confinement
Immigration Law
Plea Bargaining
Gideon V. Wainwright
Wrongful Conviction
Police Misconduct
Incarceration
Colorado
Legislation
Participatory Defense
Artificial Intelligence

Anyone paying attention can tell you that our criminal legal system is perpetuating cruelty and harm, but the complexity of the legal world overwhelms most people simply trying to get through another day. Public Defenseless explores the rot in the justice system and what we can do about it. Join host, Hunter Parnell, as he interviews top defense attorneys and criminal justice stakeholders from acr... more

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Today, Hunter was joined by Nia Holston from the Abolitionist Law Center and Sean Damon of Straight-Ahead to discuss a case out of Pennsylvania. In Commonwealth v. Lee, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court struck down mandatory life without the possibility... more

Today, Hunter was joined by Professor Deborah Lolai to discuss her law review article, Out of the Closet, in on Bail. In the article, Deborah details the systemic issues within the bail system, especially as they relate to LGBTQ+ individuals. She exp... more

Today, Hunter was joined by Salil Dudani and Carson White from the Civil Rights Corps. Since they were founded, the Civil Rights Corps has been one of the leaders in the fight to end cash bail. Today, Carson and Salil joined to explain the recent Cal... more

Today, Hunter was joined by John Haried a career prosecutor in the Department of Justice. After more than 30 years with the Department, John walked away after seeing the abuses in under the Second Trump Administration. Today, he joined the show to he... more

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Recent Guests

Eric Kegan
Public defender and attorney involved in Iowa indigent defense discussions
Private/public defender practice in Iowa
Episode: 487 | Iowa Public Defender Secured a Major Victory for Workload Controls, but will New Tough on Crime Policies Send the System into a Crisis? w/Eric Tindal
Alex Kornya
Litigation Director, Legal Aid Justice Center (Virginia)
Legal Aid Justice Center (Virginia)
Episode: 486 | How to Ensure Local Governments Cannot Cooperate with Federal Immigration Enforcement w/Alex Kornya
Nate Crippes
Public Affairs Supervising Attorney at the Disability Law Center in Utah
Disability Law Center (Utah)
Episode: 485 | Will Utah Force Homeless People to Move to a Camp Outside of Salt Lake City? w/Nate Crippes
Julie Gonzales
Colorado State Senator and US Senate candidate
Colorado State Senate
Episode: 483 | How Progressive Politics can Abolish ICE and Build a More Humane Immigration System w/Senator Julie Gonzales
Jim Castle
Longtime criminal defense lawyer and former Colorado public defender
Del Pueblo Law
Episode: 482 | How the Colorado State Public Defender's Policy on Workloads Might Violate a Lawyer's Ethical Obligations w/Jim Castle
Jenny Andrews
Director of Be Sustained
Be Sustained
Episode: 479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Sara McCarthy
Chief Assistant Public Defender, Santa Clara County
Santa Clara Public Defender's Office
Episode: 479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Matthew Thiese
Researcher/ Epidemiologist contributing to the wellness study design
University/Research
Episode: 479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Aaron Gottlieb
Associate Professor at Crown Family School of Social Work, Policy and Practice
University of Chicago
Episode: 478 | The Effect of Public Defender and Support Staff Caseloads on Incarceration Outcomes for Felony Defendants w/Aaron Gottlieb and Melissa Mahabir

Host

Hunter Parnell
Host of Public Defenseless

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 198 ratings
  • Great coverage of an important issue

    I’m a California law student interested in working in the criminal justice system, unsure on which side but learning about and listening to various public defender issues is really eye opening. Hunter does a great job with all of his interviews.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Person24
    United Statesa month ago
  • Well, worth giving it a listen

    As a choir member“ I often very much enjoy the topics of discussion and it is almost always delivered with good preaching and that’s just what you need in times like these when you know that the choir are the only people who you’re going to convince to sing.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    iPaul-Pro
    United States3 months ago
  • Great show.

    Keep it up.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PJ Barker
    United States9 months ago
  • Exposes Criminal Abuses

    Public Defenseless details how the presumption of innocence is fiction in courtrooms across the country.

    While we supposedly have the right to a trial by a jury of our peers, defendants who are largely Black and Latino men, are compelled to take pleas or face lengthy, painful incarceration.

    The American justice system as revealed by Public Defenseless is so deeply broken and must be reformed.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    rachelm1972
    United Statesa year ago
  • Shedding Light Where It Needs to Be Shed

    As a former Colorado public defender (and still indigent criminal defense attorney), I’m biased in favor of the excellent coverage of issues in Colorado, including the crisis in our state public defender system and the horrors unfolding in municipal courts.

    But I also love every episode from elsewhere in the country. It’s so easy for us to be in our silos and forget that there are hundreds of other offices out there facing similar challenges and coming up with innovative solutions. This podcast... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    drewmm10
    United Statesa year ago

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Listeners appreciate courageous conversations about systemic flaws and potential fixes.
High-caliber guests and rigorous analysis on defense work and policy.
Episodes spark important conversations about workload, morale, and justice reform.
Thoughtful, reform-minded discussions with practical takeaways.

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#79
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#110
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479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Q: How can these findings translate into real-world changes for public defenders?
Researchers aim to produce concrete recommendations for individuals and organizations, including leadership practices and structural changes like workload management, training, and resource allocation, to improve wellbeing and client outcomes.
479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Q: How are we going to study this? What is the framework and what makes it different than prior work?
The study uses a rigorous, federally comparable framework with strong confidentiality, designed to capture a wide range of variables from depression and burnout to resilience and thriving, enabling cross-population comparisons and evaluation of potential interventions.
479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Q: What is Phase 2 setting out to do? Tell us a little bit about it.
Phase 2 expands outreach, broadens participant categories (including non-traditional public defenders and rural offices), and uses IRB-approved methods to collect comprehensive data on mental health, burnout, and thriving factors, with an emphasis on actionable outcomes and comparisons to other working populations.
479 | What Data Tells Us About the Public Defender Well Being Crisis Part 2 w/Jenny Andrews, Matthew Thiese, and Sara McCarthy
Q: Tell us a couple of things. One, introduce yourself. Why did you want to do public defense? And why have you been interested in participating in the National Public Defender Wellness Study?
Sarah McCarthy describes a lifelong commitment to public defense rooted in service, trauma exposure in cases, and a drive to support the wellbeing of colleagues; Matt Thies emphasizes bringing rigorous scientific methodology to understand the mental health challenges in the profession; Jenny Andrews frames Be Sustained as a way to systemically address wellness within organizations through data-informed strategies.
478 | The Effect of Public Defender and Support Staff Caseloads on Incarceration Outcomes for Felony Defendants w/Aaron Gottlieb and Melissa Mahabir
Q: What were the main findings regarding the impact of attorney vs. support staff caseloads on outcomes like pre-trial detention and sentencing length?
Gottlieb notes that both attorney and support staff caseloads negatively impacted outcomes, with more consistent effects for support staff across outcomes and larger potential effects for attorneys when significant, especially after adjusting for capital cases; overall, increases in caseloads correlated with worse outcomes.

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Public Defenseless covers the intersection of public defense, labor dynamics, and criminal justice reform through in-depth interviews with defense attorneys, researchers, union organizers, and policy advocates. Recent episodes consistently center on workload, wellbeing, caseload transparency, debt relief, and systemic reform, often pairing frontline defender perspectives with data-driven analysis and political context. A standout pattern is the willingness to tackle tough topics—retaliation within offices, unionization, and ambitious state-level reforms—using personal stories, investigative context, and practical policy ideas to illuminate what change could look like in practice. This mix of on-the-ground experience, rigorous discussion of ... more

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1. Eric Kegan
2. Alex Kornya
3. Nate Crippes
4. Julie Gonzales
5. Jim Castle
6. Jenny Andrews
7. Sara McCarthy
8. Matthew Thiese

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