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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.

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Recent Guests

Henry Hannon
Guest discussing the Chadha decision and its implications
Episode: Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha
Matt Cameron
Practicing immigration attorney; host of Opening Arguments
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Episode: Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
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Episode: “What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention
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Episode: “What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention
Sadaf Hassan
Lawyer with Muslim Advocates representing Leqaa Kordia.
Muslim Advocates
Episode: “What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention
Mahmoud Khalil
Palestinian Columbia University student and activist
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Episode: Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Alec Karakatsanis
Civil rights lawyer and founder of Civil Rights Corps
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Episode: Copaganda with Alec Karakatsanis [TEASER]
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Co-host of 5-4
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Episode: 5-4 x Know Your Enemy: Trump 2.0 and the Courts

Hosts

Peter Shamshiri
Host of multiple iterations and premium-branded content; central figure across show branding.
Rhiannon Hamam
Co-host with sharp legal critique and engaging delivery; frequent on-air presence.
Michael Liroff
Co-host known for forensic-style breakdowns and counterpoints to arguments.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 7.9k ratings
  • Wow. My new students know more about civics

    This ideologue must have a personal beef against courts because he definitely knows nothing about how the 3rd branch works. Maybe he is just willing to lie for clicks. The echo chamber that listens to this mess will undoubtedly collapse under the weight of their own confused ideology. Hope that’s not many.

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    Mag C 95
    United Statesa month ago
  • 6-3?

    KEEP THE METAPHORS AT THE TOP OF THE EPISODE PLEASE

    Great legal podcast, y'all should be on the court instead of the current Facists.

    Also, there are tons of problems with the "subscriber only" episodes vs the Paterson episodes vs the "subscriber" episodes. There are ads in the premium feed and this seems lame, and other podcasts have a subscriber feed to fix these issues which would be cool if y'all did.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Menomenamenotyou
    United Statesa month ago
  • Huge fan!

    All the hosts incredible! Rianna you rock! Thank you for delivering great info. State of law is def dark

    so appreciate your banter and jokes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MollyWix
    United Statesa month ago
  • Show Needs a New Name

    The show is no longer about close decisions that suck. It’s also about clear decisions, with solid legal basis, which the crew don’t like.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    rugyb
    United States2 months ago
  • Hilarious take down of our hypocritical judiciary.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Venii Conquered
    2 months ago

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Overall sentiment leans positive about educational value and entertainment when ads are not intrusive.
Fans note the hosts' depth on constitutional topics and engaging banter as standout elements.
Listeners praise the show for crisp, accessible legal analysis wrapped in humor.
Critics mention inconsistencies in subscriber content and occasional polarizing takes.

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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What role does federal litigation play in defending immigrants?
Federal habeas petitions and national lawsuits against underlying policies by organizations like ACLU and Northwest Immigrants' Rights Project are essential to slowing or stopping deportations and challenging systemic issues.
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What are the most troubling aspects of detention policies right now?
Detention has expanded beyond convictions to include people with minor offenses or even those merely charged; there are few speedy-trial protections, and many detainees face long waits with limited access to counsel.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: Is there anything from your time in detention that has stuck with you?
What stuck with me mostly is that there's so many injustices happening on US soil that many of us don't know.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: What makes this cause worth fighting for?
When I feed Dean, my son, when I look at his face, I just remember the faces of the Palestinian children who don't have the luxury of being safe, of being fed.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: How did you decide to publish your writings while you were in detention?
I knew that my targeting was part of an effort to chill speech in this country, to actually make an example out of me, so others wouldn't speak up for Palestine.

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The show provides a brisk, irreverent take on the Supreme Court and its intersection with politics, offering deep dives into landmark decisions, constitutional structure, and power dynamics between branches. Episodes frequently feature legal experts, political commentators, and insiders from production teams, pairing sharp analysis with humor and provocations. It's likely to appeal to listeners who enjoy critical, opinionated legal storytelling, with a skew toward progressive perspectives, candid discourse, and a willingness to challenge established narratives. Noteworthy traits include sustained engagement with timely court actions, a cadence that blends scholarship with accessible banter, and a premium-content angle that integrates sponso... more

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