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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.

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Latest Episodes

On Monday, October 12th federal agents raided Representative Ilhan Omar’s home as part of an investigation aiming to denaturalize and deport her. This is really disgusting. 

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Deporting people to dangerous countries? Detaining them indefinitely without bond? Bad, actually. 

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In honor of America’s birthday, join Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael for part two of their Supreme Court retrospective. This time they track how the myth of judicial neutrality has haunted America for centuries. 

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Do we have to accept the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional meaning? Legal scholars Niko Bowie and Daphne Renan say no! They join the podcast to talk about their new book, Supremacy: How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the ... more

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Recent Guests

Niko Bowie
Harvard Law School Professor, co-author of Supremacy, How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the People
Harvard Law School
Episode: De-Supremify the Supreme Court with Niko Bowie and Daphna Renan
Daphne Renan
Harvard Law School Professor, co-author of Supremacy, How Rule by the Court Replaced Government by the People
Harvard Law School
Episode: De-Supremify the Supreme Court with Niko Bowie and Daphna Renan
Josie Duffy Rice
Journalist, friend of the show, host of The Backfire Effect
The Backfire Effect
Episode: The Innocence Case from Hell with Josie Duffy Rice
Kermit Roosevelt
Penn Law Professor and Constitutional Law Expert
University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School
Episode: 250 Years of Bad Decisions: SCOTUS, the Civil War, and the End of Reconstruction
Lisa Graves
Author and expert on right-wing influence on the Supreme Court
True North Research; author of Without Precedent
Episode: “The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
Henry Hannon
Guest discussing the Chadha decision and its implications
Episode: Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha
Matt Cameron
Practicing immigration attorney; host of Opening Arguments
Opening Arguments
Episode: Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Pam Bondi
Attorney General and dog lover from Tampa
Episode: Meet Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi [TEASER]
Leqaa Kordia
A Palestinian woman currently in ICE detention and the subject of legal protest
Episode: “What’s at Stake is Everything”: The Last Columbia Protester in ICE Detention

Hosts

Peter Shamshiri
Host of the show; regular presence across episodes with central role in analysis and commentary
Rhiannon Hamam
Host and interviewer; central to discussions with sharp commentary and analysis
Michael Liroff
Co-host; contributes legal expertise and engagement with complex policy topics

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 8.2k ratings
  • A Review That Won’t Make Sense After This Week

    This podcast is so good that I’ve listened to only 3 episodes and I’m already more of a lawyer than (former) Press Secretary Katie Zacharia

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    InarticulateQuilter
    United States5 days ago
  • This podcast provides the kind of incisive critique of the US Supreme Court that other media just does not.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Irina
    6 days ago
  • Your wish fulfilment is trumped by arbitrary presidential pardons

    Hi 5-4 Team,

    I’m an Aussie listener, finding the demolition of the Supremes by this pod to be fascinating.

    I’m afraid that your wish fulfilment about current ICE officers facing future justice is going to be a bad re-run of the Jan 6 rioters being prosecuted, and then pardoned by the next (same) bad president, is a hint of where this is going to go in the long run :-(

    I don’t know why the Founders couldn’t forsee this power being the ultimate corruption of justice. [Oopsie, Google tells me:... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Keith Duddy
    Australia9 days ago
  • Edutaining but wish it was more neutral

    Can be pretty polemical at times. No one wants to learn both sides it seems. I’m not a “truth lies somewhere in the middle” guy FYI.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Čœßtūmër
    Canada13 days ago
  • Great Constitutional law education for non-lawyer

    Love this program, hosts are hilarious and I’ve learned a lot about Constitutional law and why the supreme sucks and has always sucked. 10/10, keep being great!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Charvp214
    United States23 days ago

Listeners Say

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Listeners praise the show for its accessible legal analysis and humor.
Fans highlight the show's ability to make complex constitutional issues engaging and relevant.
Many appreciate the hosts' sharp, unapologetic critique of the Supreme Court.

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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

“The Most Destructive Chief Justice in My Lifetime”: Dissecting John Roberts with Lisa Graves
Q: What can be done about a Chief Justice who has shown such a pattern of decisions and influence?
Graves advocates for comprehensive reform: enforceable ethics codes, term limits for justices, disclosures for spouses and affiliates, substantial jurisdictional reforms on voting rights, and broader constitutional reforms to restrain the Court's power.
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What role does federal litigation play in defending immigrants?
Federal habeas petitions and national lawsuits against underlying policies by organizations like ACLU and Northwest Immigrants' Rights Project are essential to slowing or stopping deportations and challenging systemic issues.
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What are the most troubling aspects of detention policies right now?
Detention has expanded beyond convictions to include people with minor offenses or even those merely charged; there are few speedy-trial protections, and many detainees face long waits with limited access to counsel.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: Is there anything from your time in detention that has stuck with you?
What stuck with me mostly is that there's so many injustices happening on US soil that many of us don't know.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: What makes this cause worth fighting for?
When I feed Dean, my son, when I look at his face, I just remember the faces of the Palestinian children who don't have the luxury of being safe, of being fed.

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A sharp, irreverent take on how Supreme Court decisions shape politics and civil rights. Across episodes, hosts dissect landmark cases, power dynamics between the executive, legislature, and judiciary, and how legal rules interact with current events. The show blends rigorous legal analysis with humor, cultural references, and progressive critique, often challenging established narratives and inviting listeners to rethink constitutional issues. Notable strengths include clear explanations of complex doctrine, outspoken viewpoints, and a consistent focus on accountability and reform.

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5. Lisa Graves
6. Henry Hannon
7. Matt Cameron
8. Pam Bondi

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