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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.

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Peter and Rhiannon revisit the oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara, aka the birthright citizenship case. 

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It’s your therapist’s sacred First Amendment right to give you medically discredited advice. 

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If we live in a multiverse, are your constitutional rights ever truly violated??

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A 1981 case about how the president doesn’t really have to follow the text of the law if Congress already let them ignore it. Oh yeah, and Iran is involved.

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Matt Cameron
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Episode: Meet Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi [TEASER]
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Sadaf Hassan
Lawyer with Muslim Advocates representing Leqaa Kordia.
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Mahmoud Khalil
Palestinian Columbia University student and activist
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Episode: Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Alec Karakatsanis
Civil rights lawyer and founder of Civil Rights Corps
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Hosts

Peter Shamshiri
Co-host/Host of 5-4; frequent contributor to discussions on legal issues and current events.
Rhiannon Hamam
Co-host/Host active in legal commentary and civil rights-focused discussions.
Michael Liroff
Co-host/Host contributing legal analysis and humor, shaping the show's frequent critique of the Supreme Court.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 7.8k ratings
  • Hilarious take down of our hypocritical judiciary.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Venii Conquered
    25 days ago
  • The Sea of psyopped sanctimony

    God forbid any legitimate or irl hardship were ever to befall this soft bug person, lest he unable to square his cognitive dissonance with objective reality. These sadists smell their own farts; but I guess that goes hand in hand with crawling in sewers whenever somebody on the left engages in equally or more heinous acts than their OrangeCrush does. Pretending to care about the victims of the Israeli monster, Epstein seems to be their latest LARP. Had 7 years to voice their outrage. Don’t car... more

    Apple Podcasts
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    C0gnicide
    United Statesa month ago
  • The only legal podcast that (a) knows what they're talking about and (b) sees the supreme court for what it truly is.

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    steve mcclellan
    a month ago
  • Ad free should mean no ads

    Canceled my ad-free subscription because, like the law, words don’t mean anything anymore.

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    Qpslcjfmpemxdhiwd
    United States2 months ago
  • Great show; iffy subscription

    I love the show and the hosts, which is why I subscribed and look forward to every single episode. But the subscriber edition, at least on Apple, is a mess. Lately there have been ads, at least for other Prologue Projects, that awkwardly interrupt, and the subscriber episodes load in waaaaaay later (half a day or more) than the “teaser” version. So as a regular show, 5 stars. Paterson version: 3.

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    BobaFeta
    United States3 months ago

Listeners Say

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There are strong positive reactions to episodes on voting rights and Supreme Court decisions, though a subset criticizes perceived bias or misrepresentation of arguments.
Listeners praise the show for accessible legal analysis and the hosts' ability to explain complex cases with humor, often highlighting the importance of civil rights topics.
Some listeners feel the tone is snarky or overly partisan and prefer more neutral analysis.

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#6
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#30
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#5
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#12
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#72
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Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What role does federal litigation play in defending immigrants?
Federal habeas petitions and national lawsuits against underlying policies by organizations like ACLU and Northwest Immigrants' Rights Project are essential to slowing or stopping deportations and challenging systemic issues.
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What are the most troubling aspects of detention policies right now?
Detention has expanded beyond convictions to include people with minor offenses or even those merely charged; there are few speedy-trial protections, and many detainees face long waits with limited access to counsel.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: Is there anything from your time in detention that has stuck with you?
What stuck with me mostly is that there's so many injustices happening on US soil that many of us don't know.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: What makes this cause worth fighting for?
When I feed Dean, my son, when I look at his face, I just remember the faces of the Palestinian children who don't have the luxury of being safe, of being fed.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: How did you decide to publish your writings while you were in detention?
I knew that my targeting was part of an effort to chill speech in this country, to actually make an example out of me, so others wouldn't speak up for Palestine.

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A sharp, progressive take on the Supreme Court and its landmark cases, with a blend of rigorous legal analysis and irreverent humor. Episodes commonly dissect civil rights, voting rights, immigration, and government power, often critiquing conservative legal strategies and highlighting the political context shaping judicial decisions. The show leans into accessible explanations of complex jurisprudence while maintaining a candid, even provocative, tone that aims to entertain as it informs. Notable strengths include a clear stance on civil rights issues, a knack for connecting high court rulings to everyday impacts, and a conversational dynamic among three consistent hosts that keeps dense topics engaging for informed listeners. Potential li... more

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