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5-4 is a podcast about how much the Supreme Court sucks. Hosted by Peter Shamshiri, Rhiannon Hamam, and Michael Liroff, it's a progressive and occasionally profane take on the ideological battles at the heart of the Court's most important landmark cases and an irreverent tour of all the ways in which the law is shaped by politics.

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The end of the Voting Rights Act, brought to you by the Supreme Court.

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You have the right to remain silent. Unless you are a gay ex-con from Wisconsin. Then you’re a Bad Boy™.

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Peter, Rhiannon, and Michael talk about the memos leaked to the New York Times, Sotomayor v. Kavanaugh, and the potential Supreme Court vibe shift. 

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Peter and Rhiannon revisit the oral arguments in Trump v. Barbara, aka the birthright citizenship case. 

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Episode: Meet Your Attorney General, Pam Bondi [TEASER]
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Sadaf Hassan
Lawyer with Muslim Advocates representing Leqaa Kordia.
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Mahmoud Khalil
Palestinian Columbia University student and activist
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Episode: Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Alec Karakatsanis
Civil rights lawyer and founder of Civil Rights Corps
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Episode: Copaganda with Alec Karakatsanis [TEASER]
Peter Shamshiri
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Episode: 5-4 x Know Your Enemy: Trump 2.0 and the Courts

Hosts

Peter Shamshiri
Co-host/Host of 5-4; frequent contributor to discussions on legal issues and current events.
Rhiannon Hamam
Co-host/Host active in legal commentary and civil rights-focused discussions.
Michael Liroff
Co-host/Host contributing legal analysis and humor, shaping the show's frequent critique of the Supreme Court.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 7.8k ratings
  • Wow. My new students know more about civics

    This ideologue must have a personal beef against courts because he definitely knows nothing about how the 3rd branch works. Maybe he is just willing to lie for clicks. The echo chamber that listens to this mess will undoubtedly collapse under the weight of their own confused ideology. Hope that’s not many.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Mag C 95
    United States10 days ago
  • 6-3?

    KEEP THE METAPHORS AT THE TOP OF THE EPISODE PLEASE

    Great legal podcast, y'all should be on the court instead of the current Facists.

    Also, there are tons of problems with the "subscriber only" episodes vs the Paterson episodes vs the "subscriber" episodes. There are ads in the premium feed and this seems lame, and other podcasts have a subscriber feed to fix these issues which would be cool if y'all did.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Menomenamenotyou
    United States15 days ago
  • Huge fan!

    All the hosts incredible! Rianna you rock! Thank you for delivering great info. State of law is def dark

    so appreciate your banter and jokes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MollyWix
    United States19 days ago
  • Show Needs a New Name

    The show is no longer about close decisions that suck. It’s also about clear decisions, with solid legal basis, which the crew don’t like.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    rugyb
    United Statesa month ago
  • Hilarious take down of our hypocritical judiciary.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    Venii Conquered
    a month ago

Listeners Say

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There are strong positive reactions to episodes on voting rights and Supreme Court decisions, though a subset criticizes perceived bias or misrepresentation of arguments.
Listeners praise the show for accessible legal analysis and the hosts' ability to explain complex cases with humor, often highlighting the importance of civil rights topics.
Some listeners feel the tone is snarky or overly partisan and prefer more neutral analysis.

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#5
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#5
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#17
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#10
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#37
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#99
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What role does federal litigation play in defending immigrants?
Federal habeas petitions and national lawsuits against underlying policies by organizations like ACLU and Northwest Immigrants' Rights Project are essential to slowing or stopping deportations and challenging systemic issues.
Immigration Law in 2026: Fighting the Cruelty Machine
Q: What are the most troubling aspects of detention policies right now?
Detention has expanded beyond convictions to include people with minor offenses or even those merely charged; there are few speedy-trial protections, and many detainees face long waits with limited access to counsel.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: Is there anything from your time in detention that has stuck with you?
What stuck with me mostly is that there's so many injustices happening on US soil that many of us don't know.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: What makes this cause worth fighting for?
When I feed Dean, my son, when I look at his face, I just remember the faces of the Palestinian children who don't have the luxury of being safe, of being fed.
Rhiannon Interviews Mahmoud Khalil
Q: How did you decide to publish your writings while you were in detention?
I knew that my targeting was part of an effort to chill speech in this country, to actually make an example out of me, so others wouldn't speak up for Palestine.

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A sharp, progressive take on the Supreme Court and its landmark cases, with a blend of rigorous legal analysis and irreverent humor. Episodes commonly dissect civil rights, voting rights, immigration, and government power, often critiquing conservative legal strategies and highlighting the political context shaping judicial decisions. The show leans into accessible explanations of complex jurisprudence while maintaining a candid, even provocative, tone that aims to entertain as it informs. Notable strengths include a clear stance on civil rights issues, a knack for connecting high court rulings to everyday impacts, and a conversational dynamic among three consistent hosts that keeps dense topics engaging for informed listeners. Potential li... more

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