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Non-Monogamy
Polyamory
Relationships
Jealousy
Communication
Individuation
Personal Growth
Relationship Dynamics
Attachment Theory
Intimacy
Compersion
Shadow Work
Conflict Resolution
Community Support
Emotional Regulation
Monogamy
Envy
Consensual Non-Monogamy
New Relationship Energy
Power Dynamics

Welcome to Playing With Fire, the podcast for people who are ready to custom-build their love. We’re talking about non-monogamy–however you design it–as an individuation opportunity. Want to leave the default and make your life spectacularly you? You’re in the right place.

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Have you ever wondered what your partner looks like through someone else's eyes? It's a question that can bring up a swirl of emotions—curiosity, insecurity, excitement, maybe even panic. But what if that willingness to wonder is actually one of the ... more

What if the thing that’s really stopping you from changing your relationships isn’t a lack of motivation or willpower, but a frozen imagination? We all hold internal representations of ourselves, our partners, and our relationships in our minds. This... more

Ever feel like you're having the same conversation about the same hurt over and over again? Yeah, we’ve been there. And the surprising thing is… that's not necessarily a problem.

We just did an episode on conflict and how it can actually deepen inti... more

When we see conflict as a red flag, we pave the way for dishonest ‘peace,’ people pleasing (where no one is actually pleased at all), and emotional walls that try to protect us but end up leaving us isolated and disconnected.

The truth is that confl... more

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Recent Guests

Natasha Helfer
Aasect Certified Sex Therapist Supervisor and Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist with 30 years of experience
Symmetry Counseling; Sanctuary (Salt Lake City); Aasect
Episode: 256 Leaving High-Demand Religion and Exploring Non-Monogamy with Natasha Helfer
Mel Cassidy
Somatic relationship coach focused on non-monogamy and intimacy.
Author of 'Radical Relating'
Episode: 239 Radical Relating with Mel Cassidy
Lauren Elise Rogers
Certified holistic sexuality educator and embodied intimacy and relationship coach
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Episode: 223 Recovering From Purity Culture with Lauren Elise Barnes
Marla Schreiber
A white, queer, gender-defiant therapist and advocate for non-monogamous relationships.
Episode: 214 Defying Mononormativity with @Polyamarla
Dr. Nicole Thompson
Queer, non-monogamous sex and relationship psychotherapist with training in psychedelic integration therapy, founder of The Pleasure Practice.
Modern Anarchy Podcast
Episode: 213 Psychedelics and Non-Monogamy with Dr. Nicole Thompson
Annie Undone
Non-binary queer writer and advocate for relationship anarchy
Episode: 208 Relationship Anarchy: Tailor-Making ALL Your Relationships with Annie Undone
Mollena Lee Williams-Haas
Multi-hyphenate wonder, storyteller, writer, performer, kink educator, and activist.
Kink Doula
Episode: 192 [Replay] What would you do with your full power? A conversation about kink, power exchange, and everyday life with Mollena Williams-Haas
Sunny Megatron
Award-winning clinical sexologist, BDSM and sexuality educator, and media personality.
Showtime, American Sex Podcast, Deeply Open, Open Deeply Podcast
Episode: 191 [Replay] Turn your Toxic Attractions into Psychological Growth with Sunny Megatron
Kathy Labriola
Nurse, counselor, and hypnotherapist specializing in consensual non-monogamy
kathylabriola.com
Episode: 186 Polyamory in the Second Half of Adulthood with Kathy Labriola

Hosts

Ken
Host of the show, co-narrator of the replay discussion
Jolie Hamilton
Co-host, expert contributor on relationship models and depth psychology moves

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 168 ratings
  • Excellent

    Great containers

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lovealways#
    United Kingdom5 months ago
  • Good

    Good your containers are capable of being connected

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    lovealways#
    United Kingdom10 months ago
  • Great if there were non-mono people out there

    Another overhyped podcast about topics that apply to people who don’t actually exist or are impossible to find.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    K9 fan
    United Statesa year ago
  • My favorite podcast!

    Honestly this podcast is fabulous for ENM but also ANY relationship. I love the dialogue, education and the deep dives. I find myself constantly digging deeper and learning more every episode. Thank you for making this podcast!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Miss Lissa1
    United States2 years ago
  • Awesome!

    Great! But Ken’s name is missing from the title image of this podcast. Having you two there, Juli and Ken, makes a big difference so I’d love to see his name on the title!

    Awesome job, guys!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Katharina0312
    United States2 years ago

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Fans appreciate the actionable frameworks (agreements, check-ins, nervous-system work) and community support.
Listeners praise the candid, vulnerable conversations and practical tools for real-life relationships.
Many feel the show offers inclusive, non-judgmental guidance that normalizes open communication.
Guests and hosts are repeatedly described as authentic, knowledgeable, and deeply compassionate.

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250 Relationship Re‑Imagination: The Framework
Q: What is a relationship reimagine at its core?
It's a deep, imaginal process of seeing clearly what is and what was, identifying the water we swim in, and choosing to co-create something new from an awake, shared perspective rather than forcing a simple, linear plan.
[Replay] 222 The Greater the Tension, the Greater the Potential: Individuating in Relationships
Q: Great, what's the question?
The listener asks how to work with deep inner conflict in non-monogamy without shutting down or abandoning themselves, seeking a depth-psychological approach.
241 Betrayal & Non-Monogamy with Eve Rickert
Q: What is the role of self-trust after a betrayal?
Repair starts with rebuilding trust in oneself—understanding when you were acting with agency, recognizing your blind spots, and learning to read situations more clearly before moving forward.
241 Betrayal & Non-Monogamy with Eve Rickert
Q: How do you define betrayal beyond a broken agreement?
Betrayal is a violation of trust with stakes that shake your sense of safety and reality, often requiring repair not just between two people but across the relational ecosystem.
223 Recovering From Purity Culture with Lauren Elise Barnes
Q: What would you say to somebody just beginning to question their upbringing around purity and sexuality?
I'd invite them to do a little exercise: think of yourself at the following ages—seven, fourteen, and twenty-one—and answer questions about sex, relationships, and pleasure to see how your beliefs have evolved.

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The show centers on intentional relationship design, exploring non-monogamy as a path to personal growth and individuation. Episodes span practical frameworks for negotiating boundaries, managing jealousy, and maintaining safety and consent, often through collaborative coaching, theory-informed dialogue, and real-life examples. Listeners seem drawn to candid conversations, actionable tools, and a focus on community support, with an emphasis on pace, depth psychology, and applying structured practices to everyday relationships. Noteworthy traits include a strong emphasis on journaling, agreements, and nervous-system regulation, plus a clear commitment to inclusivity and ongoing learning within evolving relationship structures.

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1. Natasha Helfer
2. Mel Cassidy
3. Lauren Elise Rogers
4. Marla Schreiber
5. Dr. Nicole Thompson
6. Annie Undone
7. Mollena Lee Williams-Haas
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