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PodBiz | Where's The Money In Podcasting?

Norma Jean Belenky & John Kiernan
Podcasting
Podcast Monetization
Podcast Advertising
Podcasts
Monetization Strategies
Audience Engagement
Monetization
Community Engagement
Independent Creators
Audience Development
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Where's the money in podcasting? Hosted by Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, PodBiz dives into the strategies, trends, and tools driving podcast monetization and industry growth. From ad revenue and branded content to audience development and production workflows, we spotlight the real business behind the mic.

Each week, we speak with creators, executives, and innovators answering the one quest... more

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Latest Episodes

Where is the real money in podcasting, and how can AI bring radical transparency to brand suitability?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan speak with Dr. Tamara Zubatiy, CEO and Co-Founder of Barometer, about brand safety,... more

How can podcasting move past guesswork to build true, privacy-first audience demographics?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky speaks with Emma Raz, Director of Commercial at NumberEight, about the evolution of audience targeting and demog... more

Where is the money in podcasting really going—and how is ad measurement evolving to keep up?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan sit down with Matt Shapo, Senior Director of the Measurement Center at IAB, and Jason Adamski... more

How do you make a great podcast easier to find?

Andrea De Marsi, founder and CEO of PodSEO and co-founder of Spreaker, joins PodBiz to break down one of podcasting’s longest-running challenges: discoverability.

Andrea explains why simply creating g... more

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Recent Guests

Emma Raz
Director of Commercial
NumberEight
Episode: How Privacy-First Data Is Changing Podcast Ads with Emma Raz of NumberEight
Matt Shapo
Senior Director of the Measurement Center, IAB
Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB)
Episode: Why the Future of Podcast Ads Belongs to Audience Data with Matt Shapo & Jason Adamski of IAB
Jason Adamski
Director of Audio
IAB
Episode: Why the Future of Podcast Ads Belongs to Audience Data with Matt Shapo & Jason Adamski of IAB
Andrea De Marsi
Founder and CEO of PodSEO
PodSEO
Episode: How to Make Your Podcast More Discoverable with Andrea De Marsi of PodSEO
Molly DeMellier
Head of Communications at Sounds Profitable
Sounds Profitable
Episode: Why You’ll Want to Be at Podcast Movement 2026 with Molly DeMellier
David Krulewich
Founder and CEO of Mission Media AI
Mission Media AI
Episode: How Podcasting Gets a Bigger Share of Ad Dollars with David Krulewich
Andy Maxwell
Co-founder of Earmax Media
Earmax Media
Episode: How to Build a Better Podcast Ad Campaign with Andy Maxwell of Earmax Media
Helen Parker
Managing Director and Co-Founder of Strange Magic
Strange Magic
Episode: Why Podcasting Is Growing Up with Helen Parker of Strange Magic
Jim Ballas
President of Measurement at Magellan AI
Magellan AI
Episode: How Podcast Attribution Unlocks More Ad Revenue with Jim Ballas of Magellan AI

Hosts

Norma Jean Belenky
Host of PodBiz and founder of NJB Media; focused on podcast monetization, media strategy, and audience development.
John Kiernan
Co‑host of PodBiz; specializes in podcast production, platform economics, and creator monetization.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 25 ratings
  • Norma Jean is a fantastic host. Very polished but still personable and fun to listen to.

    If you're trying to get the most out of your podcasting journey. You've got to listen to PodBiz.

    Podchaser
    5
    SethGoldstein
    2 months ago
  • An important conversation

    This is a well done show that asks an important question for the people who want to sustainably create audio

    podcasts.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    😄😎👠
    United States9 months ago
  • Lily

    This is a must listen for anyone who works or is interested in content! Podcasting is such an exciting explosion in the media world and this pod will certainly get you up to date.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LilyLilyLily_L
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Great content…audio got better!

    First couple episodes had some rough audio but they fixed it…much better now!

    this could be a new podcast industry “go to” podcast. 😊

    Great info and guests for the podcasters looking to monetize.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    spbennie
    United Statesa year ago
  • Loved the death of the download

    10/10, great editing, to the point. Doesn’t waste your time. Love love this! Keep bringing industry PROs

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    america.turner
    Canadaa year ago

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Shows expertise in monetization and industry trends, with strong guest quality.
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Audio quality has varied early on but has improved; content remains valuable for monetization strategies.

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How to Build a Better Podcast Ad Campaign with Andy Maxwell of Earmax Media
Q: Where's the money in podcasting?
Andy explains that revenue comes from brands and large media agencies, with growing budgets in podcast-specific campaigns, and that success hinges on targeting niche audiences with authentic, conversion-focused advertising rather than just broad impressions.
How Podcasting Gets a Bigger Share of Ad Dollars with David Krulewich
Q: Where do you see the biggest opportunity for monetization today?
The biggest opportunity is moving beyond audio into video and omni-channel distribution, which unlocks video ad dollars and brand partnerships, while continuing to monetize through direct sponsorships, merchandising, and licensing. Audience-focused buying and vertical-specific advertisers also play a key role.
How Podcast Attribution Unlocks More Ad Revenue with Jim Ballas of Magellan AI
Q: What's a practical example of Magellan data moving the needle for a client?
A client like Wild Grain used pixel-based attribution to capture conversions tied to podcast exposure, correcting prior misattribution and increasing spend efficiency; another example with Red Circle moved attribution accuracy from 70-75% up to over 95%, lowering CAC and improving ROAS.
How Podcast Attribution Unlocks More Ad Revenue with Jim Ballas of Magellan AI
Q: Jim, where's the money in podcasting?
Money comes from a combination of improved measurement, smarter attribution, and expanding buys beyond traditional podcast ad spots into multi-channel campaigns where the audio signal is one strong component among video, streaming, and display, which together unlocks larger and more stable budgets.
How to Build a Creator-Owned Podcast Business with Ainsley Rossitto of beehiiv
Q: If you had to start over today, what would you do differently to grow faster or smarter?
Try everything with a unique lens, don't copy others, and tailor strategies to your show's audience and format. Avoid relying on a rinse-and-repeat approach and instead experiment across channels while maintaining a strong, differentiated voice.

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Frequently Asked Questions About PodBiz

What is PodBiz about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A practical, business-focused show that explores how money moves in podcasting, from ad deals and branded content to memberships, cross‑platform monetization, and creator ecosystems. Episodes center on monetization strategies, measurement, and platform economics, with guests ranging from platform executives to independent creators and agency leaders. The conversations often highlight actionable frameworks, real-world revenue models, and the evolving role of video, newsletters, and community-building in driving sustainable income for podcasters and networks. The show tends to feature guests who are industry operators or subject-matter experts, offering tactical guidance for creators looking to scale revenue, build audiences, and partner effe... more

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4. Andrea De Marsi
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7. Andy Maxwell
8. Helen Parker

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