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PodBiz | Where's The Money In Podcasting?

Norma Jean Belenky & John Kiernan
Podcasting
Podcast Monetization
Podcast Advertising
Podcasts
Monetization Strategies
Audience Engagement
Monetization
Community Engagement
Independent Creators
Programmatic Advertising
Audience Development
Advertising
Air
Community Building
Podcasting Industry
Youtube
Pay Transparency
Branded Podcasts
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Where's the money in podcasting? Hosted by Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan, PodBiz dives into the strategies, trends, and tools driving podcast monetization and industry growth. From ad revenue and branded content to audience development and production workflows, we spotlight the real business behind the mic.

Each week, we speak with creators, executives, and innovators answering the one quest... more

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Latest Episodes

Can mission-driven organizations and nonprofits really use podcasting to grow their audience and expand their cause?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan speak with Richard Fawal, founder and CEO of Voxtopica, about how non... more

How can HLS video, dynamic ad insertion, and omnichannel distribution transform podcasting—and creator revenue?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan speak with Jake Shapiro, Head of Creator Partnerships at Apple, about the... more

Can programmatic advertising really open up new revenue streams for mid-tier publishers and independent creators?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan speak with Stacy Newhuis, Senior Vice President of Marketplace at SoundS... more

Where is the real money in podcasting, and how can AI bring radical transparency to brand suitability?

In this episode of PodBiz, Norma Jean Belenky and John Kiernan speak with Dr. Tamara Zubatiy, CEO and Co-Founder of Barometer, about brand safety,... more

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Recent Guests

Richard Fawal
Founder and CEO of Voxtopica, a podcast strategy agency for mission-driven organizations
Voxtopica
Episode: The Power of Mission-Driven Audio with Richard Fawal of Voxtopica
Jake Shapiro
Head of Creator Partnerships at Apple; co-founded PRX and RadioPublic
Apple
Episode: Apple Podcasts Jake Shapiro on HLS Video, Monetization, iOS 27 Updates, and the Future of Podcasting
Stacy Newhouse
Senior Vice President of Marketplace at SoundStack
SoundStack
Episode: How Mid-Tier Publishers Are Winning with Programmatic Ad Tech with Stacy Newhuis of SoundStack
Emma Raz
Director of Commercial
NumberEight
Episode: How Privacy-First Data Is Changing Podcast Ads with Emma Raz of NumberEight
Matt Shapo
Senior Director of the Measurement Center, IAB
Interactive Advertising Bureau (IAB)
Episode: Why the Future of Podcast Ads Belongs to Audience Data with Matt Shapo & Jason Adamski of IAB
Jason Adamski
Director of Audio
IAB
Episode: Why the Future of Podcast Ads Belongs to Audience Data with Matt Shapo & Jason Adamski of IAB
Andrea De Marsi
Founder and CEO of PodSEO
PodSEO
Episode: How to Make Your Podcast More Discoverable with Andrea De Marsi of PodSEO
Molly DeMellier
Head of Communications at Sounds Profitable
Sounds Profitable
Episode: Why You’ll Want to Be at Podcast Movement 2026 with Molly DeMellier
David Krulewich
Founder and CEO of Mission Media AI
Mission Media AI
Episode: How Podcasting Gets a Bigger Share of Ad Dollars with David Krulewich

Hosts

Norma Jean Belenky
Host of PodBiz, audience development strategist
John Kiernan
Host of PodBiz, podcast consultant

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 25 ratings
  • Great Show!

    I really enjoy PodBiz and give it 5 stars because I genuinely love hearing from different people across the podcast industry. I always learn something from the guests and appreciate the range of conversations.

    Auntie’s one little note: bSometimes Norma jumps in while a guest is still developing a thought and then moves into her own perspective without giving them a chance to finish. As a listener, I find that a little disorienting because I’m sitting there thinking, *“Wait… but what were they a... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AuntieHasAThought
    United States2 months ago
  • Norma Jean is a fantastic host. Very polished but still personable and fun to listen to.

    If you're trying to get the most out of your podcasting journey. You've got to listen to PodBiz.

    Podchaser
    5
    SethGoldstein
    3 months ago
  • An important conversation

    This is a well done show that asks an important question for the people who want to sustainably create audio

    podcasts.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    😄😎👠
    United States10 months ago
  • Lily

    This is a must listen for anyone who works or is interested in content! Podcasting is such an exciting explosion in the media world and this pod will certainly get you up to date.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LilyLilyLily_L
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Great content…audio got better!

    First couple episodes had some rough audio but they fixed it…much better now!

    this could be a new podcast industry “go to” podcast. 😊

    Great info and guests for the podcasters looking to monetize.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    spbennie
    United Statesa year ago

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Shows deep industry expertise with actionable monetization insights.
Audio quality varies across early episodes but has improved over time.
Guests bring top-tier, industry-pro and practical strategies.

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Apple Podcasts Jake Shapiro on HLS Video, Monetization, iOS 27 Updates, and the Future of Podcasting
Q: Are there any learnings that you can share?
Shapiro says early data shows that prominent shows adding video increased plays by more than 10 percent, audiences by more than 20 percent, and net new followers by over 130 percent. He also gives examples of audience and follower growth for TED's How to Be a Better Human and MeatEater.
Apple Podcasts Jake Shapiro on HLS Video, Monetization, iOS 27 Updates, and the Future of Podcasting
Q: Jake, where's the money in podcasting?
Shapiro says it follows strong audience engagement and loyalty, which underpin advertising, subscriptions and other direct monetization.
The Power of Mission-Driven Audio with Richard Fawal of Voxtopica
Q: What can campaigns and candidates do on the education side to utilize podcasting as a tool?
Fawal recommends matching candidates with shows their target audiences listen to and helping them speak authentically about their lives, rather than defaulting to policy talking points.
The Power of Mission-Driven Audio with Richard Fawal of Voxtopica
Q: Where's the money in podcasting?
For mission-driven organizations, podcast funding often comes from donations, funders, grants and foundations, rather than relying primarily on advertising revenue.
How to Build a Better Podcast Ad Campaign with Andy Maxwell of Earmax Media
Q: Where's the money in podcasting?
Andy explains that revenue comes from brands and large media agencies, with growing budgets in podcast-specific campaigns, and that success hinges on targeting niche audiences with authentic, conversion-focused advertising rather than just broad impressions.

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Frequently Asked Questions About PodBiz

What is PodBiz about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Monetization and growth dominate recent episodes, with practical guidance for brands, creators, and networks on how to scale podcast advertising, audience targeting, and multi-channel strategies. Conversations emphasize privacy-friendly data, measurement standards, and how video, social, and direct-to-audience tactics expand revenue beyond traditional downloads. Across guest expertise—from measurement bodies to creator platforms—the show explores discoverability, programmatic evolution, and creator-owned models, highlighting actionable playbooks for turning listenership into sustainable income. A distinctive angle is the focus on industry collaboration, education for buyers and sellers, and the shift toward data-driven, omni-channel approac... more

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2. Jake Shapiro
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7. Andrea De Marsi
8. Molly DeMellier

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