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Pastors Talk is a weekly conversation between Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever about practical aspects of the Christian life and pastoral ministry.

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In this episode of Pastors Talk, Caleb Morell and Mark Dever sit down with Australian author Tony Payne (co-author of The Trellis and the Vine) to discuss his new book, Let the Word Dwell Richly. Payne makes the case that alongside the public preachi... more

In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever welcome John Piper to reflect on his book The Pleasures of God, newly reissued by Crossway. Together they explore why God's self-exaltation is not vanity but love, how grace over... more

In this episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman and Mark Dever discuss the unusual sermon Mark preached on July 5th, 2026 — the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence; tackling the question, "Are we celebrating the 250th anniversary of... more

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In this special episode of Pastors Talk, Jonathan Leeman sits down with Mark and Connie Dever to talk through Mark's sudden medical event. Mark and Connie recount the story, from the emergency room to Mark's slow recovery, and reflect on what the exp... more

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Ligon Duncan
Chancellor and CEO of Reformed Theological Seminary; co-host of Everyday Pastor
Reformed Theological Seminary
Episode: On Raising Up Leaders Part 4 (Ep. 335)
Michael Lawrence
Senior pastor at Henson Baptist Church, Portland, Oregon
Henson Baptist Church
Episode: On Raising Up Leaders Part 4 (Ep. 335)
Jared Wilson
Pastor and author discussing his experiences and the book Lest We Drift
Liberty Baptist Church / Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (as context in discussion)
Episode: On Drifting from the Gospel (Ep. 331)
Mike McKinley
Pastor of Sterling Park Baptist Church
Sterling Park Baptist Church
Episode: On "Can I Reimburse that as a Pastor?" (Ep. 330)
Garrett Kell
Pastor of Delray Baptist Church in Alexandria, Virginia
Delray Baptist Church
Episode: On "Can I Reimburse that as a Pastor?" (Ep. 330)
Caleb Morell
associate pastor or assistant pastor who has led this at times
Episode: On Discerning Repentance in Church Discipline (Ep. 329)
Joshua Schooping
Pastor of St. John's Lutheran Church, Russellville, Arkansas
St. John's Lutheran Church
Episode: On Eastern Orthodoxy Part 1 (Ep. 326)
Reuben Bredenhof
Pastor with 18 years in Canada and Australia; minister at Cornerstone Canadian Reform Church
Cornerstone Canadian Reform Church; Canadian Reform Theological Seminary
Episode: On The Ministry of Small Things and Fighting Pastoral Cynicism (Ep. 325)
Larry Lazarus
Pastor, Chevrolet Baptist Church; former pastor in Pittman, New Jersey
Chevrolet Baptist Church
Episode: On Why Should Pastors Teach Their Job Descriptions (Ep. 323)

Hosts

Jonathan Leeman
Host of Pastors Talk with frequent focus on topics like church governance, elder leadership, and doctrinal clarity.
Mark Dever
Co-host known for framing conversations around church health, governance, and pastoral ministry.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 1.2k ratings
  • Edifying…and a little funny…

    I’m not the intended audience. I’m a Complementarian-minded middle-aged woman, but there is still much to glean. And do yourself a favor and listen to episode #329, which begins with an improvised, harmonized hummed rendition of “And Can It Be”. I had to pull the car over…

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    5
    Steenspurgeon
    United States4 months ago
  • Great Podcast!

    Very helpful and edifying!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mattjamesdixon
    United States8 months ago
  • Mark Devers and Nemo’s dad provide a very helpful resource!

    I have been encouraged and helped by the content produced in this podcast! Thanks, guys.

    Also… Jonathan sounds just like Marlin, Nemo’s dad.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BadAtGolf08
    United States9 months ago
  • Truly formational

    This has been one of the resources that has shaped and formed my ecclesiology almost more than anything outside the Bible.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Saolomon
    United Statesa year ago
  • Pastoral Lifeline

    So grateful for this podcast. Consistent clarity and wisdom

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KTMJosh
    United Statesa year ago

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Listeners praise the show for its practical, biblically grounded guidance for church leadership.
Feedback highlights the hosts' clarity and helpful frameworks, especially on elder governance and budgeting.

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On Eastern Orthodoxy Part 1 (Ep. 326)
Q: How did your personal journey lead you to Orthodoxy, and what prompted your eventual departure?
I moved toward Orthodoxy through engagement with its patristic and canonical traditions, which initially drew me in with a sense of depth and intellectual rigor. The turning point came when I encountered doctrinal shifts on the atonement and the authority of councils like the Jerusalem Council, coupled with the perception that contemporary teaching diverged from the historic gospel, leading me to leave for the sake of conscience and the gospel.
On The Ministry of Small Things and Fighting Pastoral Cynicism (Ep. 325)
Q: How should confidence in the Spirit shape the way pastors practice church discipline?
Discipline is an ordinary means of grace that can restore a healthy walk with God; pastors should move forward in discipline while trusting God to accomplish more than they expect.
On The Ministry of Small Things and Fighting Pastoral Cynicism (Ep. 325)
Q: Reuben, what is the Ministry of Small Things about, and who is the audience you had in mind?
It's about the ordinary, repetitive acts that sustain a parish—visiting homes, praying together, opening Scripture—and the audience is primarily pastors and elders, though lay members can benefit as well.
On Why Should Pastors Teach Their Job Descriptions (Ep. 323)
Q: How can church members help pastors enjoy their work?
The guest introduces the AEIOU framework (Affirm, Encourage, Invite into life, Openness to feedback, and Uphold in prayer) to support pastors and sustain healthy ministry.
On Why Should Pastors Teach Their Job Descriptions (Ep. 323)
Q: Why is membership important in knowing the pastors?
The host and guest discuss that meaningful membership creates clear relationships where members know and recognize their leaders and are able to exercise proper oversight and encouragement.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Pastors Talk

What is Pastors Talk about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on practical church leadership, pastoral ministry, and healthy gospel-centered governance. Through candid conversations between two experienced pastors, episodes tackle topics like leadership development, church discipline, pastoral care, budgeting and reimbursement, and thebalance between doctrinal clarity and pastoral empathy. Notable strengths include a consistent focus on elder leadership, accountability, and tangible frameworks (e.g., job descriptions for pastors and deacons) to equip ministry teams. A recurring impression is a emphasis on biblical fidelity, practical wisdom for running a healthy local church, and a willingness to tackle sensitive topics with pastoral candor. Potential listeners who want actionable gu... more

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Recent guests on Pastors Talk include:

1. Ligon Duncan
2. Michael Lawrence
3. Jared Wilson
4. Mike McKinley
5. Garrett Kell
6. Caleb Morell
7. Joshua Schooping
8. Reuben Bredenhof

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