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John Boyd
Psychedelics
OODA Loop
PTSD
LSD
Norman Ohler
a-10 Thunderbolt II
Human-Centered Design
Alzheimer's Disease
Militaray Reformers
Complexity Theory
Mental Health Crisis
Risk Management
Neuroscience
Agile Methodologies
Liberating Structures
Braintap
CIA
Nazi Germany
Vietnam War

Welcome to the No Way Out podcast where we examine the variety of domains and disciplines behind John R. Boyd’s OODA sketch and why, today, more than ever, it is an imperative to understand Boyd’s axiomatic sketch of how organisms, individuals, teams, corporations, and governments comprehend, shape, and adapt in our VUCA world.

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What if everything you thought you knew about human behavior was backward? Imagine discovering that we don't actually control our behavior at all—instead, our behavior is merely the observable side effect of our brains controlling wha... more

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What if the key to unlocking human consciousness lies not in neurotypical experiences, but in the unique ways non-speaking autistic individuals perceive and interact with reality? In this captivating episode of No Way Out, host Brian ... more

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In this episode of No Way Out , Captain Dan "Yank" Pederson, the "Godfather" of TOPGUN, shares the origin story of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, established in 1969 during the Vietnam War to address a 2:1 kill ratio that exposed de... more

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What if we've been thinking about AI all wrong? What if endless scaling isn't the answer, but instead we need systems that understand context, embody knowledge, and grasp causal relationships like living organisms do?

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Recent Guests

Warren Mansell
Professor of Mental Health at the Enable Institute at Curtin University
Curtin University
Episode: Military Hardware to Mental Health: Perceptual Control Theory with Warren Mansell, PhD
Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Expert in telepathy, consciousness, and cognitive neuroscience
Episode: Autism, Telepathy and New "Outside" Information with Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Dan Pederson
Former Captain of the U.S. Navy and one of the founders of the Topgun Fighter Weapons School.
Episode: TOPGUN vs. Major Boyd: Humans Over Algorithms with CAPT Dan Pederson
Mahault Albarracin
Director of Research Strategy and researcher in artificial intelligence
Episode: AI’s D&C Cycles Accelerate: Harmonizing Agents and The Big 'O’rientation with Mahault Albarracin, PhD
Dr. David Bray
Expert in active inference AI and former member of the Bioterrorism Preparedness Response Program
Stimson Center
Episode: Human-Agent Team of Teams: Active Inference AI & The Spatial Web w/ Dr. David Bray and Denise Holt
Denise Holt
Founder of Learning Lab Central and advocate for active inference and decentralization in AI
Episode: Human-Agent Team of Teams: Active Inference AI & The Spatial Web w/ Dr. David Bray and Denise Holt
Todd Conklin
Professor and expert in Human and Organizational Performance
Episode: Reorienting Safety: Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) with Todd Conklin
David Slater
Professor specializing in safety engineering and human factors.
University of Cambridge
Episode: From Big Bang to Brain: How Entropy Shapes Safety and Systems with David Slater, PhD
Tom Walker
CEO of DroneUp and former Navy officer
DroneUp
Episode: Drones, Airspace, AI, and Decision Making: DroneUp CEO on Leading in Complexity

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Mark McGrath
Brian Ponch Rivera

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4.7 out of 5 stars from 69 ratings
  • Too much politics

    What previously was a great podcast has degraded into politics and trumpism.

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    Christian Fredriksson
    Sweden7 months ago
  • Horrible

    Andrew mcluhan... horrible... just talks garbage.... terrible

    Sorry for the rating

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    No11111166666
    United Statesa year ago
  • Interesting and Informative

    Great topics and diverse guests always with a tie-in to Boyd’s OODA loop and how that can help you be better at whatever you do.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mdbelmo
    United Statesa year ago
  • Really thought provoking, excellent guests

    I like it a lot

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    Barks787
    Australiaa year ago
  • Insightful and Thought provoking

    Love the show! Insightful and thought provoking.

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    cBass-2
    United Statesa year ago

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AI’s D&C Cycles Accelerate: Harmonizing Agents and The Big 'O’rientation with Mahault Albarracin, PhD
Q: Can you talk a little bit about that?
Mahault discusses her agreement with Gary Marcus's vision that scaling forever in AI is not the right approach.
Outmaneuver Complexity: AI Gold Rush 2.0 & Adaptive Capacity with David Woods, PhD
Q: How do you prepare for human agent teaming with AGI in the future, and what are the tools and techniques that you recommend leaders use now?
We need to develop a repertoire of techniques to enhance adaptive capacity and encourage organizations to invest in them.
Championing Change: Diversity, Inclusion, and Leadership in the Navy with Theresa Carpenter
Q: How has the emphasis on diversity, equity, and inclusion affected perceptions of meritocracy in the military?
Some believe that diversity initiatives can overshadow merit, leading to doubts about qualifications and promotions.
Championing Change: Diversity, Inclusion, and Leadership in the Navy with Theresa Carpenter
Q: What do you think about the mental health situation in the DOD, particularly concerning suicide rates?
While talking about mental health is becoming more accepted, true leaders are not openly discussing their struggles, which is vital for others to feel less alone.
Championing Change: Diversity, Inclusion, and Leadership in the Navy with Theresa Carpenter
Q: What are we losing out on by not allowing our people to have these types of conversations?
We're missing out on diversity of thought, innovation, and ideas.

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Focused on the intricacies of decision-making and performance in high-pressure environments, this podcast explores various concepts related to John R. Boyd's OODA Loop framework. Episodes delve into themes such as artificial intelligence, organizational safety, human performance, and adaptive strategies, often featuring insightful discussions with experts from diverse backgrounds, including military, healthcare, and technology sectors. Noteworthy is the commitment to intertwining academic theories with practical applications, aiming to enhance listeners' understanding of complex systems and improve decision-making skills in volatile, uncertain, complex, and ambiguous (VUCA) environments.

Listeners can expect a blend of thought-provoking id... more

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