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No Such Thing as Normal

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Neurodiversity
ADHD
Autism
Mental Health
Dyslexia
Dyspraxia
Autism Spectrum Disorder
Parenting
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Sensory Processing Disorder
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At least 20% of New Zealanders are believed to be neurodivergent, but there is very little awareness, understanding and support for people with conditions such as ADHD, Autism and Dyslexia.

Sonia Gray has a neurodivergent daughter and is an ADHDer herself. In this 10-part series she’ll talk to dozens of experts and people with a lived-experience of neurodiversity to better understand how we can s... more

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In the past decade, neurodivergence has become far more visible in Aotearoa. But awareness is not the whole story - the real question is whether neurodivergent people and their whānau feel truly seen and understood.

There will always be gaps in ser... more

Anxiety, depression, chronic stress and low self-esteem are common co-occurring conditions for many neurodivergent young people. But are these struggles caused by neurodivergence itself, or by trying to fit into environments that don’t work for them?... more

If you - or your child - is neurodivergent, it can often feel like the world doesn’t always take you seriously. The challenges might be huge, but they’re largely invisible, and often unpredictable. So life can become a cycle of apologies and explana... more

For many women, perimenopause brings more than just hot flushes. The impact on their cognition and mood is so extreme it feels like the chair has been pulled out from under them. Strategies that once held everything together stop working. Anxiety sp... more

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Raiha Tahuri
Parent; advocate for Tomokia, a child with ASD and ADHD
Ngāti Kahungunu; whānau of Tomokia
Episode: 35. Neurodiversity in Aotearoa: How are we doing?
Dr. Jessica Tupou
Autism researcher; works at intersection of Western psychology and Mātauranga Māori
University/Research (as referenced)
Episode: 35. Neurodiversity in Aotearoa: How are we doing?
Darryl-Lee Prince
Child and adolescent psychiatrist in Auckland
Darryl-Lee Prince, Auckland
Episode: 34. Mental health, medication and neurodivergent burnout
Dave Coghill
Professor of child and adolescent psychiatry
University/Research (NZ context)
Episode: 34. Mental health, medication and neurodivergent burnout
Gil Newburn
Neuropsychiatrist, Mātai Medical Research Institute
Mātai Medical Research Institute
Episode: 33. What can science tell us about neurodivergent brains?
Paul Condron
MRI technician and father of an ADHD child
Mātai Medical Research Institute
Episode: 33. What can science tell us about neurodivergent brains?
Jessie Jacobsen
Dr. heads genetics research on autism
Centre for Brain Research, University of Auckland
Episode: 33. What can science tell us about neurodivergent brains?
Ruth Monk
Autistic advisor and clinical researcher
Centre for Brain Research, University of Auckland
Episode: 33. What can science tell us about neurodivergent brains?
Dr Rachael Sumner
University of Auckland neuroscientist and women's health researcher
University of Auckland
Episode: 32. ADHD and Perimenopause: The Perfect Storm

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Sonia Gray
Host of No Such Thing as Normal

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 352 ratings
  • Thank you for this podcast

    A meaningful, raw and honest podcast that has been such a God send right when the world of neurodivergence opened up to our family. Thank you for this and I can’t wait for another season!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mw_nz
    New Zealand2 months ago
  • Your Work Uplifts Us

    These podcasts are a gift. To our family and thousands like us. Your research, experience and empathy, along with the vignettes of everyday kiwis with similar or related challenges aren’t just useful; they make me feel less alone and raise my baseline on days when there isn’t much left in the tank. Thank you Sonia!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Carbon Kiwi Lizzie
    New Zealand2 months ago
  • Excellent podcast

    One of the best educational podcasts on neurodiversity I’ve listened to. Very easy to listen to with the input of her interviewees. So much resonates with me as neurodiversity is really prevalent in my family.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    junejan20
    New Zealand3 months ago
  • Excellent listen

    Such a high quality podcast. Sonya does an amazing job educating people on all things neurodiversity.

    She conducts interesting interviews and they are well overlaid with sound, the way she bring everything together. It’s such a nice way to listen and learn. I’m finding it viewing people in another way with more empathy which is cool. I’ve really enjoyed listening to this podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Rosanna!!!!
    New Zealand9 months ago
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    Love this podcast

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    New Zealanda year ago

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Guest lineups combine lived experience with expert insights, making complex topics accessible.
The host delivers balanced, empathetic conversations that help families feel less alone.
Listeners praise the host's care, clarity, and the hopeful tone that frames neurodiversity as a strength.
Episodes are highly actionable for educators and parents, with a strong NZ focus and inclusive lens.

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27. Strengths-based education (Part 2): What happens when we build around strengths?
Q: What is the broader message about dyslexia and creativity for educators?
Educators should observe students' strengths, reframe perceived weaknesses as possible assets, and cultivate those strengths in the classroom to foster engagement and motivation.
27. Strengths-based education (Part 2): What happens when we build around strengths?
Q: Tell me how the Hyphen Project rethinks education for twice-exceptional kids.
The project focuses on what students are already passionate about and good at, offering no fixed curriculum, and works to connect their gifts to real-world skills, thereby rebuilding confidence and a sense of belonging.
28. Why ADHD still feels so hard - even when you understand it
Q: How can someone start leveraging their ADHD strengths in a workplace setting?
Identify true interests, build connections (like body doubling), frame tasks around meaningful strengths, and develop an environment that aligns with those interests to sustain engagement and reduce burnout.
28. Why ADHD still feels so hard - even when you understand it
Q: Why is it so hard for people with ADHD when there are so many distractions in modern life?
Because interest and urgency merge to trigger the brain; without stimulating tasks, attention wanes, and tasks may feel overwhelming, which makes practical daily activities challenging unless they're linked to strong personal relevance.
26. Strengths-based education (Part 1): Unlocking the gifts
Q: How does Dean identify hidden strengths quickly in a few moments with a student?
Dean relies on a gut feeling and dyslexic intuition to observe and connect, a sensory-based read of the person that isn't easily measured but proves valuable.

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This show centers on neurodiversity in Aotearoa New Zealand, blending lived experience with expert insight to explore ADHD, autism, dyslexia, and related topics. Across discussions, the emphasis is on understanding neurodivergent brains as part of human diversity, reducing stigma, and improving diagnosis, education, and workplace inclusion. Guests range from clinicians and researchers to parents and autistic/self-identified individuals, with a strong focus on te ao Māori perspectives and NZ-specific contexts. Noteworthy is the practical, hopeful approach—turning research into real-world strategies for families, schools, and employers—alongside a consistent emphasis on advocacy, inclusion, and strengths-based approaches that honor diverse wa... more

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