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Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life

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Leon Shahab
Professor, Co-Director of the UCL Tobacco and Alcohol Research Group
University College London
Episode: Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Tim Hess
Professor of Water and Food Systems
Cranfield University
Episode: Does it take 15,000 litres of water to produce a kilogram of beef?
Mark Mulligan
Professor of Physical and Environmental Geography
King's College London
Episode: Does it take 15,000 litres of water to produce a kilogram of beef?
Mesfin Mekonnen
Assistant professor and co-author on water footprint research
University of Alabama
Episode: Does it take 15,000 litres of water to produce a kilogram of beef?
David Higgins
Pediatrician and public health assistant professor who writes a substack called Community Immunity
Independent/Community Immunity
Episode: Have RFK and MAHA really changed American views on vaccines?
Hannah Ritchie
Deputy Editor at Our World in Data and Senior Researcher at the University of Oxford
Our World in Data / University of Oxford
Episode: Is Trump right that wind turbines are killing millions of birds?
Helen Pearson
Author of Beyond Belief; editor at Nature
Nature (editorial), Beyond Belief author
Episode: Dr Spock’s dangerous advice on baby sleep
Adam Kucharski
Professor of epidemiology and author of Proof, the Uncertain Science of Certainty
London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine
Episode: How likely is ‘likely’?
Alex de Vries-Gao
Researcher providing electricity use estimates for AI servers
Independent researcher
Episode: How much water does AI consume?

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Tim Harford
Host of the show, known for his insightful analysis of statistics and their implications on everyday life.

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4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • Language needs work

    In your episode about trans women in sport, you acknowledge at the start that you are looking at studies comparing transgender women and cisgender women, which is the appropriately specific language. However, you then cease to use cisgender to specify when you mean women who were assigned female at birth, and for the rest of the episode you repeatedly compare “trans women” with “women”, implying that they fall outside of this category. This is, at best, a failure of specificity and professionali... more

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    brodycalypso
    Australia9 days ago
  • This show makes you fall in love with numbers

    Always interesting, surprisingly humorous, and consistently well done. The show makes you feel more intelligent and at ease in a world full of claims. Not just debunking, some stuff is surprisingly true (and therefore even more worth exploring)!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    frondofplants
    Canada15 days ago
  • Do better

    More or Less brings the research to the questions of the day! But you’ve been failing in your analysis. Your expert, university professor champions the idea that it’s not that big! The numbers provided were, the Trump administration says it’s 71B but your expert says a lot of that was refunded so it’s closer to 36B - the show takeaway was Trump is wrong again. More or Less has missed the point. Your program isn’t to split hairs. It should be to help people understand the numbers.

    Use the num... more

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    1
    Future-is-bright
    United States23 days ago
  • Do better

    More or Less brings the research to the questions of the day! But you’ve been failing in your analysis. Your expert, university professor champions the idea that it’s not that big! The numbers provided were, the Trump administration says it’s 71B but your expert says a lot of that was refunded so it’s closer to 36B - the show takeaway was Trump is wrong again. More or Less has missed the point. Your program isn’t to split hairs. It should be to help people understand the numbers.

    The use the... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Future-is-bright
    United States2 months ago
  • Statistical literacy is sorely needed - thank you

    Even professionals in scientific fields often don’t have a real grounding in statistical interpretation. Not just reading the previous few papers in your field and copy pasting their statistical method. Real understanding. Capacity to know not just what, but why, and the limitations every approach to stats (even the best ones) have. That’s what we need.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PototoNoroa
    United States2 months ago

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Listeners appreciate the intelligent analysis and informative discussions around statistics and their real-world implications.
Some listeners express frustration over perceived biases in content, particularly concerning political subjects.
The show's emphasis on fact-checking and clarity in statistical discussions gains frequent praise, making it a reliable source for understanding complex data.

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Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: Why might media headlines claim vaping is as bad as smoking when the evidence is nuanced?
The conversation highlights that headlines sometimes conflate possible carcinogenic components with actual risk magnitude; the studies show potential risks and non-cancer harms, but the exact comparison to smoking is unclear, leading to sensationalized framing in some outlets.
Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: Is vaping not safer than smoking, given the studies that suggest carcinogens are present in vapour?
The experts explain that the Australian paper does not state vaping is not safer than smoking; it suggests nicotine e-cigarettes are likely carcinogenic, but it does not measure the relative size of risk versus smoking, and subsequent NZ research and other analyses indicate the cancer risk is likely lower for vaping, albeit with uncertainties.
Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: But how do the health risks of these two means of getting nicotine into your bloodstream compare?
The discussion clarifies that the Australian review identifies potential carcinogens in vapour but cannot quantify actual cancer risk or comprehensively compare it to smoking; other research shows that non-cancer health risks exist with vaping, but the overall cancer risk from vaping is likely lower than smoking, while cancer risk from smoking is well-established and higher.
How likely is ‘likely’?
Q: Which is more likely to happen? Something that is very unlikely or something that is highly probable?
People generally identify 'highly probable' as more likely than 'very unlikely,' though the exact boundary is fuzzy, highlighting the imprecision of natural language in conveying probability.
How much water does AI consume?
Q: Why were the initial figures for AI water use misleading?
They came from misinterpreted data and extrapolations that didn't account for existing servers, regional cooling needs, and the distinction between electricity-driven processes and actual water use.

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