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Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life.

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Terence Tao is widely celebrated as the world’s greatest living mathematician.

He was doing university-level maths at the age of 9, won Gold at the International Mathematical Olympiad at 13 - still the youngest person to have done that - and got his... more

Last week, Ukraine launched drone attacks against three data centres owned by Russian tech giant Yandex. After these attacks Yandex announced that they were struggling to maintain their services.

This led to widespread claims that Russian disinforma... more

Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:

(00:40) First Minister John Swinney has claimed that Scottish pensioners are set to lose £2000, with the money going to fund English social care. We gently suggest he might like to... more

A viral video circulating online claims the population of China is actually a billion people lower than the UN and China say.

A billion is big number, you'd think the Chinese would notice if that many were missing - and the claim is certainly false... more

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Terence Tao
Mathematician, Fields Medal recipient and author of Six Maths Essentials
Episode: Terence Tao: Maths ‘the canary in the coal mine’ on AI
Amil Khan
Co-founder and CEO of Valent, which tracks influence networks
Valent
Episode: Did Ukrainian strikes on Russian data centres stop disinformation bots?
Shayan Sardarizadeh
Disinformation reporter with BBC Verify
BBC Verify
Episode: Did Ukrainian strikes on Russian data centres stop disinformation bots?
Marian Knight
Director of the National Perinatal Epidemiology Unit at the University of Oxford.
University of Oxford
Episode: Fact-check: Will Scottish pensioners really be funding English social care?
Spencer Thompson
Senior Knowledge Exchange Fellow at the Fraser of Allander Institute.
Fraser of Allander Institute
Episode: Fact-check: Will Scottish pensioners really be funding English social care?
Chris Giles
Economics commentator at the Financial Times.
Financial Times
Episode: Fact-check: Will Scottish pensioners really be funding English social care?
Sabu Padmadas
Professor of Demography and Global Health, University of Southampton
University of Southampton
Episode: Fact-check: Is China missing a billion people?
Duncan Weldon
Economist, author of Blood and Treasure. The Economics of Conflict from the Vikings to Ukraine
Penguin / Author
Episode: Is the UK state pension really the lowest in Europe?
Stuart McDonald
Actuary and partner at LCP
LCP
Episode: Is the UK state pension really the lowest in Europe?

Hosts

Tim Harford
Host of More or Less; renowned economist and author, known for data-driven storytelling and critical thinking on numbers
Lizzy McNeill
Co-host and climate data specialist providing context-rich explanations and data interpretation
Elis James
Co-host and Welsh broadcaster; participates in social-networking segments to illustrate probability concepts

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • worth the cost of a TV licence all by itself. unafraid to call out just plain wrong use of numbers whoever does it - even if it's the BBC!

    Podcast Addict
    5
    EdgeMkUk
    11 days ago
  • Thoughtful show, now I question all poorly explained data.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    caterina_1212
    12 days ago
  • Clumsy ads in the middle of the show

    I’m in the uk. You have ads at the start. You have ads at the end. In the middle is too much, it disturbs the programme; you’re not a commercial organisation!

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Dave 123456
    United Kingdom16 days ago
  • Essential listening imo

    Interesting analysis, and a general perspective that’s useful to take into our own understanding of the news, facts, and world around us.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bryn Dunkeld
    United Kingdoma month ago
  • BEST podcast ever

    Really interesting lots of amazing facts

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cool guys 🏔️eptc
    United Kingdoma month ago

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A mix of skepticism and curiosity; consistently high factual standard.
Excellent for building statistical literacy and understanding real-world numbers.
Some listeners feel occasionally biased in the framing, but data is carefully explained.
Valuable, rigorous, and accessible data storytelling that clarifies complex topics.

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Terence Tao: Maths ‘the canary in the coal mine’ on AI
Q: So, what do we make of all this?
Tao says AI is powerful and can outperform humans at finding solutions in some areas of mathematics, but remains poor at explaining how it reached them. He also points to concerns about opaque releases and commercial motives.
Terence Tao: Maths ‘the canary in the coal mine’ on AI
Q: So tell us what the idea of the book is.
Tao says he wrote the book to show that advanced mathematics grows from familiar intuitions about numbers, shapes, change and size, despite the subject's increasingly abstract forms.
Fact-check: Will Scottish pensioners really be funding English social care?
Q: But is Emma Reynolds' claim true? Are we cutting our deficit at the fastest rate in the G7?
Based on the latest final figures, the UK was fifth of the seven G7 countries in percentage-rate deficit reduction. The government's claim instead relies on future IMF projections; Chris Giles says the tax plans are more credible than the planned restraint on public spending.
Fact-check: Will Scottish pensioners really be funding English social care?
Q: Can it really be true? Are Scotland's pensioners really going to lose £2,000 from their pensions? And is all of that money really going to fund English social care?
The £2,000 is a rough projection for 2049–50, not an immediate pension cut. If the UK government redirected pension spending to English social care, the Barnett Formula would increase Scotland's block grant, leaving Scotland with broadly the same overall funding to spend as it chooses.
Could this be the strongest El Niño in 1,000 Years?
Q: What is the El Niño effect, and how often does it occur?
El Niño is a mode of natural climate variability driven by winds and ocean circulation in the tropical Pacific; it tends to occur every three to seven years, though its strength varies and depends on the prevailing conditions when it forms.

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What is More or Less about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show regularly dissects numbers behind current events, policy debates, and everyday decisions, often featuring data-driven guests who challenge sensational headlines. Episodes cover health aid impacts, global wealth concepts, risk and behavioral economics, crime statistics, World Cup math, climate and heat risk, and education policy, always highlighting methodological caveats and the grey areas where data can mislead. A notable strength is bringing rigorous statistical literacy to broad audiences through approachable demos and expert guests, making it well suited for listeners who want clear, evidence-based takes on complex issues and for sponsors seeking a thoughtful, data-forward audience.

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