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BBC Radio 4
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Climate Change
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China
Donald Trump
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Mathematics
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India
US Healthcare Costs
Microplastics
Daniel Kahneman
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Labour Party

Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life.

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As the 2026 World Cup approaches its end, what is the biggest factor in who wins? Is it extraordinary moments of attacking magic? Gritty defensive organisation? Or is it all just a question of luck and random chance? We look at how mathematicians and... more

Recently a post did the rounds on Twitter, claiming that people who play tennis live on average 9.7 years longer than people who play other sports.

The figure comes from a recent analysis of people's exercise habits in Denmark.

But not everyone on... more

Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:

(00:32) A government minister has informed the nation that average teacher pay in England is around £54,000. Radio 4 listeners are howling at the radio in disbelief. Surely someone... more

The Moon is one of the most captivating features of our night's sky, and apparently, one of the most suspicious.... For thousands of years, people have blamed the full moon for strange behavior. From ancient myths and the origins of the word lunacy t... more

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Sue Grimmond
Meteorology professor
University of Reading
Episode: Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
James Grime
Mathematician and YouTube educator
Numberphile
Episode: Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Dimple Rana
Heat specialist
Arup
Episode: Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Liam Sides
Associate Director at Oxford Economics
Oxford Economics
Episode: Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Paul Swinney
Chief Economist at The Data City
The Data City
Episode: Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Kristen Lippincott
Former director of the Royal Observatory at Greenwich and author of The Story of Time
Royal Observatory Greenwich
Episode: The messy history behind the modern calendar
Elis James
Co-host of Elis and John, Welsh comedian
BBC Wales / Elis and John
Episode: Benefits vs minimum wage: Which pays more?
Eduin Latimer
Senior Research Economist, Institute for Fiscal Studies
Institute for Fiscal Studies
Episode: Benefits vs minimum wage: Which pays more?
Oliver Johnson
Head of Mathematics, University of Bristol; author
University of Bristol
Episode: Benefits vs minimum wage: Which pays more?

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Charlotte McDonald
BBC journalist and primary host of the program responsible for guiding discussion and presenting case studies.

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4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • Delightful

    This podcast has no business being so delightful, and yet, it is.

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    Capybarbarian
    United Statesa month ago
  • Propaganda with numbers

    We all know by now that BBC is all about promoting their own ideological agenda. The only special feature of this program is that numbers are used for this purpose. Yet this doesn’t make it any more solid than any other BBC propagandist venture. Trapped in their own bubble, they are desperately trying to project some appearance of credibility, which is however gone with the wind. No one trusts this fraud any more other than their own bubble

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    kritbjkbvzhiugf
    Germany2 months ago
  • Just to biased to math

    More or Less should bring the math but they twist it in analysis.

    Recently they headlined “Debunking, the claim that migrants will get half of new homes”. Funny enough the expert you brought on said, the number’s not wrong on its face and certainly there is a link between increased migration and housing supply as they have to live somewhere. But then the non-math analysis was that the migrants would have to compete for the new homes so the conservatives are incorrect in their claim as stated ... more

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    Future-is-bright
    United States2 months ago
  • Language needs work

    In your episode about trans women in sport, you acknowledge at the start that you are looking at studies comparing transgender women and cisgender women, which is the appropriately specific language. However, you then cease to use cisgender to specify when you mean women who were assigned female at birth, and for the rest of the episode you repeatedly compare “trans women” with “women”, implying that they fall outside of this category. This is, at best, a failure of specificity and professionali... more

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    brodycalypso
    Australia2 months ago
  • This show makes you fall in love with numbers

    Always interesting, surprisingly humorous, and consistently well done. The show makes you feel more intelligent and at ease in a world full of claims. Not just debunking, some stuff is surprisingly true (and therefore even more worth exploring)!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    frondofplants
    Canada3 months ago

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Reliable, data-driven analysis that educates without dumbing down complex topics.
Clear critical thinking on numbers, though some listeners seek more practical takeaways.

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Is the US worse than North Korea for malnutrition deaths?
Q: So is there a problem with American octogenarians not being able to afford food?
No; the uptick in recorded malnutrition is largely due to changes in documentation and how deaths are recorded, not because there is a large rise in true malnutrition deaths among elderly Americans.
Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Q: Do we have any idea what's going on with prime numbers?
There is an inherent unpredictability to primes, but also measurable structure; spirals like the Ulam spiral reveal tendencies and lines where primes cluster, even though not every stripe is equally dense, and this remains an area of mathematical mystery.
Examining the numbers behind Andy Burnham’s ‘Manchester Miracle’
Q: What are prime numbers?
Prime numbers are integers greater than 1 that are only divisible by 1 and themselves, forming the building blocks of all other numbers, with structure and patterns that are not random.
Andrew Ross Sorkin: What can the Great Crash of 1929 tell us about today?
Q: Is it fair to say it's the biggest financial crisis in history?
The discussion emphasizes scale and long-term impact, noting the crisis led to severe declines and social consequences, while also highlighting that later crises had different dynamics; the point is about understanding the magnitude and consequences rather than claiming a simplistic ranking.
Andrew Ross Sorkin: What can the Great Crash of 1929 tell us about today?
Q: Andrew, for those of us who are familiar with the history of finance, there is no bigger date than 1929. But for people who blessedly have forgotten, what was the Great Wall Street Crash?
Sorkin describes the crash as a pivotal historical moment where the market fell dramatically from a peak earlier in the decade, illustrating how debt and speculation amplified losses, and he connects that with the broader context of the era's economic fragility.

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What is More or Less about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A numbers-first show that consistently challenges headlines by unpacking the statistics behind current events and policy debates. Across episodes, it covers topics from public health, environmental science, and technology to risk language and social trends, often featuring academics, journalists, and policy experts who help translate data into actionable insights. Noteworthy traits include a preference for data-driven analysis, rigorous methodological critique, and a willingness to challenge common narratives even when it risks controversy. Listeners can expect clear explanations, nuanced discussions, and a habit of separating what is known from what is uncertain, making it valuable for decision-makers, researchers, and curious, analyticall... more

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