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BBC Radio 4
United States
Climate Change
Covid-19
China
Donald Trump
Statistics
NHS
Artificial Intelligence
Autism
Mathematics
UK Economy
Mental Health
India
US Healthcare Costs
Microplastics
Daniel Kahneman
Housework
Education
Obesity
Labour Party

Tim Harford explains - and sometimes debunks - the numbers and statistics used in political debate, the news and everyday life.

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This year, the UK has had its hottest May and June days on record, with the mercury hitting the high thirties.

But while the markings on a thermometer seem scientific and regular, the way we split up our calendar does not. Why, for instance, does Ma... more

Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:

(00:42) Former Chancellor of the Exchequer Sir Jeremy Hunt argues that you can earn far more on out of work benefits than you can on the minimum wage. We argue his figures are dece... more

This surprising claim was spotted circulating on social media: ‘The United States has surpassed China and North Korea in deaths from malnutrition’. The claim used analysis from the Global Burden of Disease database for their sums. The data does indee... more

Tim Harford investigates some of the numbers in the news. This week:

(00:31) Claims have circulated on the internet that Europe sees a particularly high number of deaths from heat waves, especially when compared to the US. Can we really compare the ... more

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Maxwell Marlow
Analyst at Adam Smith Institute
Adam Smith Institute
Episode: Education, Education, Education (and immigration)
Sebastian Bicen
Maths YouTuber, former school maths teacher
Independent
Episode: Education, Education, Education (and immigration)
John Jerrim
Professor of Education and Social Statistics, UCL
University College London
Episode: Education, Education, Education (and immigration)
Duncan Weldon
Economist and author of Blood and Treasure
Episode: Debunking the claim that migrants will get half of new homes
Dr Ruth McCabe
Infectious disease epidemiologist at Imperial College London
Imperial College London
Episode: The known unknowns of Ebola in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Kate Lamble
Presenter of Derailed, guest host for the HS2 segment
BBC
Episode: Does a fall in the UK's healthy life expectancy mean what you think it means?
Melody Ding
Epidemiologist from University of Sydney
University of Sydney
Episode: Is the ‘loneliness epidemic’ real?
Liam Price
Solver of Erdos Problem 1196 using AI
Independent researcher
Episode: Erdos Problem 1196: Can AI now solve maths that no human can?
Katie Steckles
Mathematician referenced in discussion
Mathematician
Episode: Erdos Problem 1196: Can AI now solve maths that no human can?

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Charlotte McDonald
BBC journalist and primary host of the program responsible for guiding discussion and presenting case studies.

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4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.6k ratings
  • Delightful

    This podcast has no business being so delightful, and yet, it is.

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    Capybarbarian
    United States19 days ago
  • Propaganda with numbers

    We all know by now that BBC is all about promoting their own ideological agenda. The only special feature of this program is that numbers are used for this purpose. Yet this doesn’t make it any more solid than any other BBC propagandist venture. Trapped in their own bubble, they are desperately trying to project some appearance of credibility, which is however gone with the wind. No one trusts this fraud any more other than their own bubble

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    kritbjkbvzhiugf
    Germany25 days ago
  • Just to biased to math

    More or Less should bring the math but they twist it in analysis.

    Recently they headlined “Debunking, the claim that migrants will get half of new homes”. Funny enough the expert you brought on said, the number’s not wrong on its face and certainly there is a link between increased migration and housing supply as they have to live somewhere. But then the non-math analysis was that the migrants would have to compete for the new homes so the conservatives are incorrect in their claim as stated ... more

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    Future-is-bright
    United Statesa month ago
  • Language needs work

    In your episode about trans women in sport, you acknowledge at the start that you are looking at studies comparing transgender women and cisgender women, which is the appropriately specific language. However, you then cease to use cisgender to specify when you mean women who were assigned female at birth, and for the rest of the episode you repeatedly compare “trans women” with “women”, implying that they fall outside of this category. This is, at best, a failure of specificity and professionali... more

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    brodycalypso
    Australia2 months ago
  • This show makes you fall in love with numbers

    Always interesting, surprisingly humorous, and consistently well done. The show makes you feel more intelligent and at ease in a world full of claims. Not just debunking, some stuff is surprisingly true (and therefore even more worth exploring)!

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    frondofplants
    Canada2 months ago

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Reliable, data-driven analysis that educates without dumbing down complex topics.
Clear critical thinking on numbers, though some listeners seek more practical takeaways.

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The known unknowns of Ebola in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Q: Our listener is curious. If it's all been underestimated before, what does that mean going forward?
If underestimation occurs, the implication is that surveillance, resource planning, and response capacity need to be scaled up, with ongoing data updates to keep estimates current as the situation evolves.
The known unknowns of Ebola in the Democratic Republic of the Congo
Q: I'd love to understand more about how this kind of disease modelling works. I mean, how do researchers estimate the number of unreported cases?
Researchers use data from prior outbreaks, combined with known fatality rates and delays between infection, onset, and reporting, to back-calculate an estimate of total infections, acknowledging significant uncertainty.
Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: Why might media headlines claim vaping is as bad as smoking when the evidence is nuanced?
The conversation highlights that headlines sometimes conflate possible carcinogenic components with actual risk magnitude; the studies show potential risks and non-cancer harms, but the exact comparison to smoking is unclear, leading to sensationalized framing in some outlets.
Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: Is vaping not safer than smoking, given the studies that suggest carcinogens are present in vapour?
The experts explain that the Australian paper does not state vaping is not safer than smoking; it suggests nicotine e-cigarettes are likely carcinogenic, but it does not measure the relative size of risk versus smoking, and subsequent NZ research and other analyses indicate the cancer risk is likely lower for vaping, albeit with uncertainties.
Why it’s wrong to say vaping is as bad for you as smoking
Q: But how do the health risks of these two means of getting nicotine into your bloodstream compare?
The discussion clarifies that the Australian review identifies potential carcinogens in vapour but cannot quantify actual cancer risk or comprehensively compare it to smoking; other research shows that non-cancer health risks exist with vaping, but the overall cancer risk from vaping is likely lower than smoking, while cancer risk from smoking is well-established and higher.

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What is More or Less about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A numbers-first show that consistently challenges headlines by unpacking the statistics behind current events and policy debates. Across episodes, it covers topics from public health, environmental science, and technology to risk language and social trends, often featuring academics, journalists, and policy experts who help translate data into actionable insights. Noteworthy traits include a preference for data-driven analysis, rigorous methodological critique, and a willingness to challenge common narratives even when it risks controversy. Listeners can expect clear explanations, nuanced discussions, and a habit of separating what is known from what is uncertain, making it valuable for decision-makers, researchers, and curious, analyticall... more

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