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Jones & McLean

jonesmcleanpod
Cold Call
Whole-School Instructional Models
Slides
Curriculum Development
Curriculum Quality
Powerpoint
Equity In Education
Participatory Learning
Dallimore Research
Australian Curriculum
English Curriculum
Teacher Autonomy
Lifting Literacy Policy
Australia Education System
Writing Instruction
Teacher Judgement
Principles Of Instruction

Jones & McLean is a short-form education podcast, full to the brim with questions, insights and warm-hearted chat about the best profession in the world. Every episode explores a single theme inspired by what we hear from teachers and leaders in the field. Got an observation, experience or insight you'd like us to explore? We would love to hear from you. Email us: jonesmcleanpod@gmail.com

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When should education systems mandate what schools do? We explore the growing number of mandates in Australian education, the tension between system control and school autonomy, and whether mandates actually improve student learning.

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Instructional models are designed to bring consistency to teaching — but are they actually helping schools achieve it?

In this episode we discuss:

• Why generic lesson models can be problematic when they don't account for the specific curriculum be... more

Curriculum is foundational to everything we do in schools — but what do we actually mean when we say “curriculum”, and why is it so difficult to get right?

In this episode we discuss:

• The different meanings of curriculum, from national and state ... more

Cold Call has become a familiar classroom technique — but there’s more to doing it well than simply asking a question and choosing a student to answer.

In this episode we discuss:

• What Cold Call is — and what the research tells us about it

• Why... more

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Recent Guests

Elise Dallimore
Associate Professor of Communication Studies at Northeastern University
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Episode: 3: On cold call

Hosts

Bron Rirey-Jones
Education writer, speaker and educator focused on teaching, curriculum and school implementation.
Emina McLean
Education leader and English subject lead who works with schools on curriculum development.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 51 ratings
  • Fab Listen

    Jones and McLean, what a ripper pod! Thanks for cutting straight to the core of these complex ideas in a straightforward and relatable way. Love the ‘One Good Woman’ section. 💯

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SarahlouG11111
    Australia2 months ago
  • Thank you!

    The best! Insightful teacher leaders talking about issues in teaching with empathy, nuance, understanding and insight. Loved it. Thanks ladies. 100/10

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JuzzMuzz
    Australia2 months ago
  • Fabulous EduPod

    Teachers, unite! Love the real talk from two of the smartest women in education. 🚀

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ThoughtLeader1
    Australia2 months ago
  • Wow.

    Such a valuable podcast to have access to. Keep them coming!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Maggima555
    Australia2 months ago
  • Parent

    Amazing listen for a non teacher and a parent about to navigate school for their kids

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    5
    amy crooke
    Australia2 months ago

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Reviews praise the hosts' empathy, nuance and practical insight into teachers' work.
Teachers say the conversations recognize the complexity of their roles and help them feel understood.
Listeners appreciate the concise format, while one wishes new episodes arrived more often.
The educator spotlight segment is singled out as a welcome feature.
Listeners value the hosts' clear, relatable explanations of complex education ideas.

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3: On cold call
Q: Why are preconditions important before implementing Cold Call?
Preconditions ensure that all students have practiced thinking, there is a healthy classroom climate, and teachers have clear data and evidence to guide who is called on, reducing randomness and bias.
3: On cold call
Q: What is the core idea behind renaming Cold Call or reframing it in classrooms?
The core idea is to shift from a stigma of 'being called on' to an intentional, equity-focused practice that invites thoughtful participation, with a name and framing that reflect strategic questioning and engagement rather than a random telephone-style prompt.

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What is Jones & McLean about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Short, warm conversations about the work of teaching, with each episode focused on a single issue raised by teachers and school leaders. Regular hosts Bron Rirey-Jones and Emina McLean draw on their education experience to connect practical classroom decisions with curriculum, subject knowledge, student learning and the realities of school-wide implementation. Topics include instructional approaches, curriculum design, questioning and classroom resources, with attention to how context and teacher judgement shape effective practice.

The format combines an extended discussion between the hosts with occasional educator spotlights, practical reflections and community notices. Its distinctive emphasis is on thoughtful, specific teaching rather ... more

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