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How to build a better world

The Fifth Estate
Social Procurement
Construction Industry
Housing
Sydney
Australia
Aboriginal Employment
Connectivity Center
Bentley Systems
Classical Liberalism
Immigration
Zeoform
Steel Framing
Climate Data/climate Resilience
Energy

How to Build a Better World is The Fifth Estate's podcast about creating a future all humans can be proud of. Tina Perinotto, editor of Australia’s premium publication for sustainable property and business, talks to the people on the frontline with the power to address the big ecological, social and financial problems of our time.

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Elizabeth Mossop, founding principal of Spackman Mossop + Michaels and former dean of Design and Architecture School at UTS, knows quite a bit about flood disasters and their aftermath. She was deeply involved in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina wh... more

There’s good news for the built environment – one of Australia’s oldest and probably most respected environmental organisations, the Australian Conservation Foundation, will be paying a lot more attention to buildings and cities. 

Host: Tina Perinot... more

Alf Wheeler, founder of innovative plant based materials manufacturer Zeoform, won the Spanish Inquisition pitchfest at The Fifth Estate’s Circular Disruption event in November last year, before a jury of three, Jonathan Hannam of Taronga Ventures, M... more

Parnell Palme McGuinness, as a former consultant for the Liberal Party and conservative-leaning columnist for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, McGuinness jokes she’s the “diversity hire” for those left-ish leaning papers. These days, she’s also... more

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Adam Bandt
Head of the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF)
Australian Conservation Foundation
Episode: Adam Bandt on new strategies and the built environment for the ACF
Alf Wheeler
Founder of Zeoform, co-leader of Zeoform projects with Martin Ehrnig
Zeoform / Studios
Episode: Alf Wheeler on the Zeoform story
Parnell Palme McGuinness
Columnist and senior fellow at the Centre for Independent Studies; former Liberal Party worker
Centre for Independent Studies; The Sydney Morning Herald; The Age
Episode: Parnell Palme McGuinness on unpacking thoughts from a ‘diversity hire’
Kaushik Chakraborty
Head of APAC for Bentley Systems
Bentley Systems
Episode: Kaushik Chakraborty on trends on infrastructure
John King
Founder of JGKing Homes, steel-framed builder and window manufacturer
JGKing Homes
Episode: John King on steel, windows and technology for 8 star homes
Martin Loosemore
Professor of Construction, University of Technology Sydney
University of Technology Sydney (UTS)
Episode: Martin Loosemore on making a difference through construction
Dave Higgon
Employee Relations Manager at Multiplex
Multiplex
Episode: Dave Higgon: The power of social procurement to change lives
Nathan Hage
Group transport manager for Coates; involved in retrofitting apartment building for energy efficiency
Coates
Episode: Nathan Hage on transforming Zinc Apartment

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Tina Perinotto
Host of The Fifth Estate podcast, introducing and guiding the interview.

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Kaushik Chakraborty on trends on infrastructure
Q: What is the Infrastructure AI Co-innovation Initiative?
It is an open invitation for engineering firms and asset owners to collaborate with Bentley to co-develop next-generation AI workflows, aiming to accelerate practical, industry-wide innovation.
Kaushik Chakraborty on trends on infrastructure
Q: Why does Bentley emphasize data governance and not training models on customer data?
He stresses that Bentley protects customer data, maintains an open data governance stance, and will not use customer data to train their large language models, highlighting transparency and client trust.
Kaushik Chakraborty on trends on infrastructure
Q: What are the AI-powered applications Bentley introduced and what do they do for engineers?
Kaushik explains that the four important AI-powered tools (OpenSite Plus, Open Utility Substation Plus, Synchro Plus, and another market-present tool) automate repetitive tasks in design and engineering, dramatically increasing productivity while preserving accuracy and enabling engineers to focus on more complex, creative work.
Dave Higgon: The power of social procurement to change lives
Q: What outcomes have been observed from connectivity-centered programs?
Placements have occurred across hospital redevelopments and other major projects, with notable numbers of long-term unemployed individuals gaining work, though not all sustain long-term employment, yet the initiatives provide a meaningful rung up the ladder and community benefits.
Dave Higgon: The power of social procurement to change lives
Q: How did Multiplex scale up Indigenous employment beyond mandated targets?
By hosting large groups of workers through a Group Training Organisation and rotating them among subcontractors, Multiplex increased placements from a small mandated number to a much larger pool, improving opportunities and learning for both workers and site teams.

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This program features in-depth conversations with leaders and practitioners tackling climate action, sustainable construction, housing policy, and innovative infrastructure. Guests span politics, entrepreneurship, engineering, and social procurement, with a strong emphasis on practical policy ideas, real-world case studies, and the intersection of sustainability with economics and governance. Notable throughlines include the push for humane policy design, the adoption of digital tools in construction, and hands-on experiences from projects that aim to improve living standards while reducing environmental impact. The show often surfaces actionable insights, lessons learned from implementation, and candid reflections on challenges like fundin... more

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