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Frenemies - Where growth meets reality

Julia Hartwig
ICP (ideal Customer Profile)
Saas
Women Of Saas
Artificial Intelligence
Linkedin
Verdane
Ocean.io
Copenhagen
Community
Attribution
Demand Generation
B2B Marketing
Artificial Intelligence (AI) In Marketing
Construction Industry
Mouseflow
Claude
Growth
Go-To-Market
Long Sales Cycles
Sales Women Unite

Welcome to Frenemies - the podcast where growth meets reality. Julia Hartwig believes that the B2B system is broken and that strategy and execution don't have to be disconnected. At the center of Frenemies stands one goal: uncovering the alignment trap most SaaS companies face within their go-to-market functions.

That's why Julia sits down with a guest every second week to uncover the key topics ... more

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Latest Episodes

Most B2B companies think attribution is a data problem. Lars Grønnegaard thinks it's a people problem, and the data just makes that clearer.

In this season finale of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Lars Grønnegaard, Co-founder and CPO of Dreamdata, ... more

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Most B2B companies are drowning in signals right now. The question is whether they can tell which ones actually matter.

In this episode of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Jillian Als, CMO of Leadfeeder: a platform that identifies who is visiting you... more

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Most founder-led companies treat ICP as a demographic checklist. Joris van Kappen thinks that's where growth goes wrong.

In this episode of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Joris van Kappen, founder of Accelor Hub, who has spent his career building, ... more

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Most marketing teams feel behind on AI. Dorothea Gam thinks that feeling is mostly wrong, and that the real risk is moving fast without thinking clearly.

In this episode of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Dorothea Gamm, CMO at Mouseflow, a product a... more

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Most SaaS companies built their economics on a simple truth: the cost to serve the next customer is practically zero. AI is changing that and most companies don't see it coming.

In this episode of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Roee Hartuv, Senior ... more

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Most go-to-market playbooks are built for 30–90 day sales cycles. What happens when yours runs 1–2 years?

In this episode of Frenemies, Julia sits down with Josephine Kleiner, Head of Sales at Vitus Cloud, a scale-up selling data management infrastr... more

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In this episode of Frenemies - where growth meets reality, I’m joined by Adam Holgren to unpack what actually drives growth in modern B2B and where many companies still get it wrong.

We talk about the shift from product-led differentiation to brand ... more

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Community is often treated as a marketing initiative.

In reality, it’s much bigger than that.

In this episode of Frenemies, I sit down with MC Silver, Head of Community & Events at Zensai and co-lead of Women of SaaS, to unpack why community is bec... more

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Joris van Kappen
Founder of Accelerator Hub and consultant
Accelerator Hub
Episode: #38 ICP, Positioning and Scaling Reality with Joris van Kappen
Dorothea Gamm
CMO at Mouseflow
Mouseflow
Episode: #37 AI Strategy vs AI Activity: What CMOs Actually Know with Dorothea Gam, Mouseflow
Roee Hartuv
Senior Pricing Advisor and go-to-market expert at Willingness2Pay
Willingness2Pay
Episode: #36 When The Economics Change with Roee Hartuv
Josephine Kleiner
Head of Sales at Vitus
Vitus
Episode: #35 When the Playbook Doesn't Fit - Sales in Complex Markets with Josephine Kleiner
Adam Holgren
CEO and founder of Fibbler
Fibbler
Episode: #34 Attribution, Demand, and Everything We Get Wrong About B2B Growth with Adam Holgren
MC Silver
Head of community and events at Zensai
Zensai
Episode: #33 B2B Communities for Growth with MC Silfer
Michael Heiberg
CEO of Ocean.io
Ocean.io
Episode: #32 How AI Is Reshaping Growth and Go-To-Market with Michael Heiberg
Jennifer Montague
Senior Director of Go-To-Market at Verdane
Verdane
Episode: #31 Rethinking Go-To-Market with Jennifer Montague

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Julia Hartwig
Host of Frenemies - Where growth meets reality

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#36 When The Economics Change with Roee Hartuv
Q: What organizational changes help speed up growth in an AI-influenced market?
Adopt a growth team concept that blends product, marketing, and sales, enable rapid experimentation and A/B testing, and implement agile pricing and packaging processes so the GTM can adapt as AI costs and capabilities evolve.
#36 When The Economics Change with Roee Hartuv
Q: How should SaaS companies think about the cost of AI and pricing to sustainability?
Pricing should tie more closely to usage and the actual cost of AI, move toward consumption-based models, and ensure that revenue grows in parallel with costs. He notes most traditional SaaS lacks per-customer cost data and that AI's cost structure makes such tracking essential for profitability.
#36 When The Economics Change with Roee Hartuv
Q: What's actually broken in how companies are trying to grow?
Roee differentiates between traditional SaaS and AI-native dynamics, explaining that AI introduces new cost structures and that pricing must move toward usage-based models with real cost tracking per customer, rather than purely seat-based approaches. He also emphasizes the need for faster, iterative GTM and hybrid growth teams to bridge product, marketing, and sales.
#37 AI Strategy vs AI Activity: What CMOs Actually Know with Dorothea Gam, Mouseflow
Q: What do you see as the biggest gap between growth expectations and reality when applying AI in marketing?
The biggest gap is assuming AI can replace human capabilities and dramatically accelerate growth without considering market limits, strategy alignment, and the need for cross-functional collaboration and governance.

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Frenemies explores the real-world realities of growing B2B SaaS, focusing on alignment between strategy and execution across GTM functions. Episodes consistently examine how AI, pricing, product, marketing, and sales intersect to drive measurable growth, often through practical frameworks, data foundations, and cross-functional collaboration. Noteworthy is the show's penchant for translating complex concepts into actionable playbooks—ranging from cost structures and PLG to community-building and account-based approaches—while featuring senior practitioners and growth-minded leaders from both technology and PE-backed environments. Listeners are likely practitioners seeking pragmatic guidance on GTM optimization, pricing strategy, and organiz... more

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1. Joris van Kappen
2. Dorothea Gamm
3. Roee Hartuv
4. Josephine Kleiner
5. Adam Holgren
6. MC Silver
7. Michael Heiberg
8. Jennifer Montague

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