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Elevator Systems - Bowen Family Systems Theory

Living Systems
Bowen Family Systems Theory
Family Dynamics
Differentiation Of Self
Mental Health
Aging
Parenting
Retirement
Relationships
Triangles
Bowen Theory
Individuality and Togetherness
Emotional Processes
Emotional Cutoff
Family Systems
Family Life Cycle
Nuclear Family Emotional System
Sibling Position
Adolescence
Stress
Anxiety

Introduction to Bowen Family Systems Theory

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Today’s episode looks at how Bowen family systems theory is useful in the complex area of sexual abuse scandals. Kathleen Cotter-Cauley joins this episode to discuss the many groups involved in scandals and how an eye on the family and relationship s... more

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In this episode of Elevator Systems, we explore politics and Bowen family systems theory. Dr. Robert L. Davis is our guest as we zoom out across time and zoom in to the influence on family life, as well as the challenge of maintaining objectivity in ... more

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Today’s episode looks at religion and relationships. We are diving into a hot topic and seeing how Bowen family systems theory is a resource to thinking about and observing religion and how people function around religion - within and between religio... more

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What does Bowen family systems theory have to say about sports? A surprising amount! Amie Post is on the podcast again to think about the emotional processes of sports and how athletic performance can mirror relationship dynamics. Learn more on how a... more

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Recent Guests

Dr. Robert Davis
Founder and executive director of Seasoned With Grace UnBoxed; senior pastor and community leader
Seasoned With Grace UnBoxed
Episode: S4 Ep7 Politics with Dr. Robert L. Davis
Matt Steele
Bowen Theory coach and pastoral supervisor
The Change Room / Family Systems Institute (Australia)
Episode: S4 Ep6 Religion with Matt Steele
Maybo Lui
Registered clinical counsellor and faculty member at Living Systems; focuses on adults and couples navigating relationship challenges, anxiety, and life direction
Living Systems
Episode: S4 Ep4 Family Expectations with Maybo Lui
Samantha Stokesberry
Licensed professional counselor, consultant, speaker, PhD candidate
self/ Bowen Theory
Episode: S4 Ep2 Mental Health with Dr. Samantha Stokesberry
Barbara Laymon
Family systems consultant, writer and researcher
Episode: S4 Ep1 Polarization with Dr. Barbara Laymon
Dr. Monica McGoldrick
Director of the Multicultural Family Institute in New Jersey and Professor of Clinical Psychiatry at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.
Multicultural Family Institute
Episode: S3 Special Episode: The Family Life Cycle with Dr. Monica McGoldrick
Priscilla Friesen
Family consultant and licensed clinical social worker, involved with Bowen Family Systems Theory since 1976.
Bowen Center
Episode: S3 Ep18 Death with Priscilla Friesen
Selden Dunbar Illick
A family systems expert with over 40 years of experience studying Bowen Theory, especially its application to aging and generational relationships.
Princeton Family Center for Education
Episode: S3 Ep17 Aging with Selden Dunbar Illick
Lisa Moss
Licensed clinical social worker with 15 years of experience in private practice, faculty member at the Centre for Family Consultation in Evanston, Illinois.
Centre for Family Consultation
Episode: S3 Ep16 Family Rifts with Lisa Moss

Hosts

Dixie Vandersluys
Co-host focused on Bowen Theory within Living Systems and related frameworks.
Katie White
Co-host and executive at Living Systems; frequently collaborates with Bowen Theory discussions.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 22 ratings
  • Impossibly long-winded

    I tried, I really tried listening to this podcast with an open mind because I wanted to learn more about Bowen family systems. But in the episodes I listened to, the two speakers — Dixie and Katie — are so unaware of their speaking style, which is long-winded and replete with “like” and “you know” that it was just making it hard to listen. Nevertheless, I gave it a go, and I listened to the whole thing. And when reading the transcript, it’s even worse. So— please give your listeners something mo... more

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    AppleiTunes27
    United States7 months ago
  • Illuminating!

    So helpful to understand self in relationships, whether family, friends, work or society. As a beginning family therapist it’s invaluable for me in learning Bowen Theory but also great to share with others. No therapy training needed as it’s very accessible.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    I lo tof f weeks
    Australiaa year ago
  • Excellent!

    This is an excellent podcast- run by knowledgeable therapists and theorists delving deeply into human behaviour. Worth a listen for therapists and anyone interested in expanding their thinking into human nature.

    Martina Palombi MSW

    @ Bondi Psychotherapy

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bondi Psychotherapy
    Australiaa year ago

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Some listeners find the delivery long-winded or laden with filler, reducing accessibility.
Listeners appreciate practical Bowen Theory insights and applicability for therapists and lay audiences.
Feedback suggests a desire for more concise delivery while preserving theoretical depth.
Guests and hosts are described as knowledgeable and insightful, offering depth for professionals and interested learners.

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S4 Ep7 Politics with Dr. Robert L. Davis
Q: What is a practical takeaway for engaging with people who hold different views?
Listen to understand, define your own guiding principles in advance, and choose curiosity over winning an argument to maintain productive dialogue.
S4 Ep7 Politics with Dr. Robert L. Davis
Q: How do Bowen Theory concepts apply to modern political conversations?
By focusing on differentiation, managing over-functioning, and recognizing how tensions reveal family-system dynamics, politics can be seen as an extension of interpersonal patterns within larger communities.
S3 Special Episode: The Family Life Cycle with Dr. Monica McGoldrick
Q: Can you share some impactful experiences with Murray Bowen that shaped your thinking?
Murray was very generous with his time and insights; he invited me to observe his work with families and helped me see the importance of understanding familial contexts.
S3 Special Episode: The Family Life Cycle with Dr. Monica McGoldrick
Q: How did you find the concept of the family life cycle useful in your clinical work?
I use it every day by asking clients questions about their family history and dynamics, which helps to contextualize their situations.
S3 Special Episode: The Family Life Cycle with Dr. Monica McGoldrick
Q: How would you describe the difference in thinking about the family life cycle as opposed to just an individual going through stages of life?
It's always about who we belong to and how our life cycle is interconnected with the life cycles of others in our family.

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Thoughtful conversations grounded in Bowen Family Systems Theory, often exploring how individual psychology intersects with multi-generational family dynamics. Episodes commonly combine clinical insight with practical applications in therapy, organizational life, and everyday relationships. A notable pattern is the integration of theory with real-world scenarios—from polarization and aging to parenting, divorce, and retirement—fostering accessible understanding for both professionals and curious listeners. A distinctive edge is the explicit emphasis on system thinking across personal, family, and societal levels, with guest experts bringing deep clinical or academic credentials and a recurring focus on differentiation, triangles, and interg... more

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2. Matt Steele
3. Maybo Lui
4. Samantha Stokesberry
5. Barbara Laymon
6. Dr. Monica McGoldrick
7. Priscilla Friesen
8. Selden Dunbar Illick

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