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Defense in Depth

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Defense in Depth, hosted by David Spark, Steve Zalewski, Geoff Belknap, and Edward Contreras, promises clear talk on cybersecurity's most controversial and confusing debates. Once a week we choose one controversial and popular cybersecurity debate and use the InfoSec community's insights to lead our discussion.

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Recent Guests

Andy Ellis
Principal of DOOHA
DOOHA
Episode: Is Our Dated Hiring Process Creating Vulnerabilities?
Todd Carroll
VP of Information Security at Aspect
Aspect
Episode: Is Our Dated Hiring Process Creating Vulnerabilities?
Mike Johnson
CISO at Rivian
Rivian
Episode: How the SDLC Evolves Once You Deploy LLM-Based Code Scanners
Heather Hinton
CISO at Sitecore and lecturer at Harvard Extension School
Sitecore
Episode: How the SDLC Evolves Once You Deploy LLM-Based Code Scanners
Snehal Antani
CEO of Horizon3.ai with experience in financial services and DoD cyber defense
Horizon3.ai
Episode: How Do You Demonstrate Resilience?
Kieran Human
Lead cybersecurity engineer
ThreatLocker
Episode: How Should Security Be Architected for Human Error?
Mark Stockley
Cyber Security Evangelist for ThreatDown
ThreatDown
Episode: Can SMBs Get the Same Security as Everyone Else?
Howard Holton
Founder of the Phronia Counsel
Phronia Counsel
Episode: Why Do We Keep Complaining About the Same Issues in Cybersecurity?
Abby Kearns
CEO of ActiveState
ActiveState
Episode: Securing AI-Generated Open Source Code

Hosts

David Spark
Producer of the CISO Series
Steve Zalewski
Geoff Belknap
Edward Contreras
Senior EVP and CISO at Frost Bank

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 154 ratings
  • Great show!

    Recently discovered David Sparks’ podcasts, and I can’t get enough. I end up chaining several in a row.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JD000000000000000
    United States2 years ago
  • A superb cybersecurity podcast!

    There is very little else to say. Give it a listen.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    -CCDeYapp
    United States2 years ago
  • Best cybersecurity podcast out there!

    I listen or have listened to virtually every cybersecurity podcast out there and this one is my favorite by far! Well done folks!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Shay Ch
    United States4 years ago
  • Love David’s shows

    David always has great topics and guests. I listen to other security podcasts where there’s only one person speaking…man they’re boring! Not David’s! Always engaging!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    John Haden
    United States5 years ago
  • Value Added

    If you aren’t listening to these podcasts what are you even doing with your life. Security professionals add value to your core knowledge with these daily injections of absolutely vital industry knowledge and trends.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    roselinevelee
    United States6 years ago

Listeners Say

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David Spark and the panel are praised for keeping conversations lively and engaging rather than relying on one-person commentary.
Listeners describe the discussions as concise, educational, and useful for both security professionals and aspiring CISOs.
Reviews highlight knowledgeable guests and timely topics spanning cybersecurity strategy, industry trends, and operational challenges.
Listeners value the informed, practical cybersecurity discussion and the context it gives to day-to-day security work.

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#167
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#178
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#190
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#207
Australia/Technology
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#25
Saudi Arabia/Technology
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#32
Philippines/Technology

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Is Our Dated Hiring Process Creating Vulnerabilities?
Q: Is closed AI actually less effective at the moment it matters most, not just less available?
Andy Ellis cautions against drawing a broad conclusion from one case, saying AI providers face a difficult challenge distinguishing defensive work from harmful use. Todd Carroll says the central issues are dependencies, visibility, and the authorities AI agents have, rather than whether a model is open or closed.
Is Our Dated Hiring Process Creating Vulnerabilities?
Q: How much of a CISO's current stack only exists because nobody's gotten around to questioning it yet?
Andy Ellis says security teams have increasingly faced budget cuts, and recommends that vendors continually demonstrate value, including through regular business reviews and conversations with incoming CISOs. Todd Carroll describes reviewing tool usage, team ownership, contract terms, and what the organization would lose by turning a tool off.
How the SDLC Evolves Once You Deploy LLM-Based Code Scanners
Q: What does this look like, Heather?
Heather Hinton says teams need to prioritize which vulnerabilities to fix based on business factors such as cost, difficulty, and time to market. She sees evidence and context before remediation as more useful than replaying a scanner's decision afterward.
How the SDLC Evolves Once You Deploy LLM-Based Code Scanners
Q: Does determinism matter, or is it just what we're used to? What's the difference in the results, and how will our workflow need to change if we start relying on these non-deterministic LLMs?
Mike Johnson says teams should focus on the value and accuracy of findings rather than whether the scanner produces the same result every time. LLM-based systems can identify more issues and process more code, while deterministic and probabilistic tools should be selected and evaluated according to the task.
How Do You Demonstrate Resilience?
Q: How do you make sure you aren't regressing? Or if you have regressed, you know exactly what happened.
Antani recommends tracking results over time, identifying why risks or attack paths have returned, and examining how limited effort can produce the largest reduction in risk.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Defense in Depth

What is Defense in Depth about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Weekly, debate-driven conversations examine controversial and practical questions in cybersecurity, from application security and AI to resilience, vendor selection, and the needs of smaller businesses. David Spark leads discussions with recurring co-hosts Steve Zalewski, Geoff Belknap, and Edward Contreras, drawing on perspectives from security practitioners, CISOs, analysts, and technology leaders. Guests typically bring direct experience from the organizations and markets being discussed, with conversations connecting technical choices to business risk, governance, budgets, and day-to-day security work.

The format favors lively exchanges and competing viewpoints over solo commentary or narrow technical tutorials. Episodes often challeng... more

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4. Heather Hinton
5. Snehal Antani
6. Kieran Human
7. Mark Stockley
8. Howard Holton

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