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Defense in Depth

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Cybersecurity
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Vulnerability Management
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Defense in Depth, hosted by David Spark, Steve Zalewski, Geoff Belknap, and Edward Contreras, promises clear talk on cybersecurity's most controversial and confusing debates. Once a week we choose one controversial and popular cybersecurity debate and use the InfoSec community's insights to lead our discussion.

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Recent Guests

Simon Hughes
VP of Field Security, CoreView
CoreView
Episode: Building Resilience for Microsoft 365
Jill Rhodes
SVP and CISO over at Option Care Health
Option Care Health
Episode: Recommendations to Reboot the Security Vendor Pitch
Jill Borch
CISO over at DoubleVerify
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Episode: Recommendations to Reboot the Security Vendor Pitch
Mary Rose Martinez
CISO and VP of Digital Technology Services at Marathon Petroleum Corporation
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Episode: Market Confusion Is Responsible for the Biggest Gaps in Cybersecurity
Adrian Ludwig
CSO of Rippling
Rippling
Episode: Will AI Replace Detection Roles in Cybersecurity?
Peter Liebert
CISO over at Salesloft & Clari
Salesloft & Clari
Episode: What Makes a Good AI Security Deployment?
Lizzie Nammour
Founder and CEO of Teleskope
Teleskope
Episode: The Office Politics of Remediation
Deneen DeFiore
Vice President and CISO, United Airlines
United Airlines
Episode: Why is Preventative Security So Difficult?
Jeroen Levy
CSO of Dolby
Dolby
Episode: Identity and Access Management (IAM) in an Agentic AI World

Hosts

David Spark
Host of Defense in Depth / Producer of the CISO Series; long-time security media professional with broad industry perspective.
Eddie Contreras
Co-host / Senior EVP and CISO at Frost Bank; brings practitioner viewpoint from a financial services context.
Steve Zalewski
Co-host of Defense in Depth; provides enterprise security leadership and advisory perspective.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 154 ratings
  • Great show!

    Recently discovered David Sparks’ podcasts, and I can’t get enough. I end up chaining several in a row.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JD000000000000000
    United States2 years ago
  • A superb cybersecurity podcast!

    There is very little else to say. Give it a listen.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    -CCDeYapp
    United States2 years ago
  • Best cybersecurity podcast out there!

    I listen or have listened to virtually every cybersecurity podcast out there and this one is my favorite by far! Well done folks!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Shay Ch
    United States4 years ago
  • Love David’s shows

    David always has great topics and guests. I listen to other security podcasts where there’s only one person speaking…man they’re boring! Not David’s! Always engaging!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    John Haden
    United States5 years ago
  • Value Added

    If you aren’t listening to these podcasts what are you even doing with your life. Security professionals add value to your core knowledge with these daily injections of absolutely vital industry knowledge and trends.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    roselinevelee
    United States6 years ago

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Production quality and balanced guest perspectives are frequently highlighted.
Guests consistently praised for actionable insights and real-world applicability.
Listeners appreciate deep dives with CISOs and security leaders.

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#165
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#150
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#36
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#67
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#78
United Arab Emirates/Technology

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Will AI Replace Detection Roles in Cybersecurity?
Q: What organizational changes are needed to make detection programs effective with AI?
Teams should move toward distributed, accountable structures (e.g., teams of two) that can manage fleets of AI agents, emphasize collaboration, and push improvements upstream. There should be stronger governance, backlog management, and continuous feedback loops to translate automation into real security improvements.
Will AI Replace Detection Roles in Cybersecurity?
Q: Will AI replace detection roles, or will it transform them?
Experts broadly agree that AI will not fully replace detection engineers. Instead, automation will elevate the role, shifting focus from rote rule creation to orchestration, hypothesis generation, incident learning, and higher-level decision making. Human skills in imagination, critical thinking, and communication remain essential.
What Does the Next Generation of Cloud Security Look Like?
Q: Steve, what will the new SOC look like when AI agents are writing code and responding at machine speed?
The new SOC needs to blend AI-assisted visibility with foundational controls, expanding beyond traditional vulnerability management to include AI-driven incident response, detection engineering, and governance, all while maintaining human oversight and clear ownership.
What Does the Next Generation of Cloud Security Look Like?
Q: What are the things we need to be thinking about when we're dealing with machine fighting machines, Dan?
The discussion centers on integrating AI into security workflow, focusing on securing code at inception, automating remediation, and creating governance that scales with agent speed, while acknowledging limits of current models and the need for visibility into AI agents' actions.
Why Cyber Startups Need CISO Advisors
Q: First, Eddie, do you agree? Have you ever advised startups? And why do you see this as essential?
Eddie confirms that advisory input provides a necessary critique beyond customer feedback, helping startups uncover blind spots and push back on assumptions to shape a product that is viable in real security ecosystems.

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What is Defense in Depth about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show covers the big tensions and trade-offs in cybersecurity, from strategy and governance to practical defense. Episodes frequently center on how security decisions intersect with business goals, the role of frameworks, vendor dynamics, and the challenges of adopting AI-enabled security in large organizations. Notable are deep dives with CISOs and security leaders across industries, plus ongoing discussions about cloud security, incident response, and how to design security programs that are effective, usable, and aligned with real-world constraints. The format often includes sponsor segments tied to practical frameworks or tools, and the conversations tend to balance theoretical principles with actionable takeaways for practitioners ... more

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