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What Do You Mean By That?

Sara and Misasha
Systemic Racism
Donald Trump
Democracy
Racism
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2024 Election
Social Justice
Project 2025
Rule Of Law
Education
Community Engagement
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Debbie Hines
Gaslighting
Personal Development
Black History Month

Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha - two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends - as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it's about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us. We won't let the fire hose of information overwhelm us.... more

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Recent Guests

Luke Liss
Pro bono partner at Wilson Sonsini
Wilson Sonsini
Episode: 25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss
Steve Phillips
Author of Our White Men Smarter Than Everybody Else; founder of Democracy in Color
Democracy in Color
Episode: 24: Are White Men Smarter Than Everyone Else? With Steve Phillips
Megumi Nishikura
Filmmaker exploring diaspora, nationality, and belonging
Filmmaker (Hafu, new Japan nationality law project)
Episode: 22: Where Do You Belong? Multi-Ethnic Identity and Citizenship with Megumi Nishikura
Lily Zhang
FAIR strategist and author of Fixing Fairness
Author/FAIR framework advocate
Episode: 21: Fixing Fairness: The Future of DEI, Workplace Equity, and Organizational Change, with Lily Zheng
Kate Schatz
Author of 'Where The Girls Were', a historical fiction novel, and advocate for women's rights.
Episode: 20: Where the Girls Were, with Kate Schatz
Vanessa Otero
Founder and CEO of Ad Fontes Media
Ad Fontes Media
Episode: 14: Becoming Smarter News Consumers, with the founder of Ad Fontes Media, Home of the Media Bias Chart
Dr. Bill Doherty
Co-founder of Braver Angels and former faculty member of the University of Minnesota.
Braver Angels
Episode: 13: How to Have Difficult Conversations, featuring Dr. Bill Doherty, Co-founder of Braver Angels
Ruchika T. Malholtra
Author of Uncompete! Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success.
Episode: 12: Uncompete: The Case for Redefining Success, Together - with Ruchika Malhotra
Elie Mystal
Justice correspondent for The Nation Magazine
The Nation Magazine
Episode: 10: Elie Mystal on Bad Laws, Big Truths, and How to Change the System

Hosts

Sara Blanchard
Co-host and creator focused on deep, thoughtful conversations about social issues and community empowerment.
Misasha Suzuki Graham
Co-host bringing personal experience with race, identity, and practical activism to discussions.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 165 ratings
  • Union Strong, Union Proud listener

    The latest episode on Unions was a fantastic episode diving into the history and importance of Unions across many aspects of not just labor but the country as a whole. Dear White Women Podcast is on my weekly podcast listening and sharing hear two ladies never disappoint! Keep up the good work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Corley795
    United States3 years ago
  • Jeez

    Stuff like this makes being a black person a lot harder.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    tylerdamonwill
    United States3 years ago
  • Women’s Health

    Appreciate this podcast in general and LOVE this episode. Discussing all aspects of women’s health including menses is so overdue. Women have to claim this conversation and stop shaming ourselves and each other. Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    V-Spain
    United States3 years ago
  • White feminist principles in shiny packaging.

    Weary of self aggrandizing neoliberalism. White presenting women applauding themselves…centering themselves…while teaching white women how not to do the same…? If all you talk about it “women” without acknowledging the nuance of our experience ((outside of your own individual experiences)) what are you really doing. Such a wide platform to perpetuate the problem. Cite black women, interview brown women, acknowledge nuance, if you don’t you’re the problem. Talking about identity without acknowled... more

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    allgoodusernamesweregone
    United States3 years ago
  • Racists

    I dont have to listen to this to know its racist garbage. Ironic they claim to be so anti racist

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Cartersauce
    United States4 years ago

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25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss
Q: How does mentorship shape a legal career?
A two-way street where mentors invest time and guidance while mentees contribute through effort, relationship-building, and reciprocation, forming lifelong professional and personal bonds.
25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss
Q: Can you explain pro bono and impact litigation for non-lawyers?
Pro bono is law practiced for the public good, not for pay, with clinics and impact litigation that aim to create systemic change and improve access to justice for underserved communities.
25: From Almost High School Dropout to Stanford Law to Fighting for All Of Us: Using Legal Skills as a Force for Good, with Luke Liss
Q: What lights you up about leading this part of the law world?
Luke describes a deep sense of gratitude for his opportunities, the privilege of helping clients like Netflix and Google, and the joy of seeing pro bono work as a community impact program that expands access to justice.
24: Are White Men Smarter Than Everyone Else? With Steve Phillips
Q: What practical steps can listeners take to start addressing white men's over-representation in their organizations?
Start with a swamp audit to quantify representation, then organize small groups to demand transparency in contracts and leadership opportunities, and push for inclusive policies and community-based advocacy that expand the base of multiracial democracy.
24: Are White Men Smarter Than Everyone Else? With Steve Phillips
Q: What's your gut reaction to the provocative framing of the book title, and does boldness help or hinder conversations right now?
Bold, provocative framing is necessary to grab attention and force the conversation onto the real dynamics of power, even if it triggers backlash; it helps expose the underlying issues and energizes people to act.

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2. Steve Phillips
3. Megumi Nishikura
4. Lily Zhang
5. Kate Schatz
6. Vanessa Otero
7. Dr. Bill Doherty
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