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SPILL THE (GREEN) TEA: How to talk about sustainability without getting called out

Katie Treggiden, Malin Cunningham
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Making Design Circular is evolving. With a new name, a new remit, and a new co-host, this next chapter is all about one of the most urgent conversations in business today: how to talk about sustainability with honesty, nuance, and confidence. Katie Treggiden is joined by Malin Cunningham, founder of B Corp-certified B2B thought leadership consultancy Hattrick, to launch Spill the Green Tea – a pod... more

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Recent Guests

Dean Connell
Brilliant guest, previously on a panel with the hosts
Designer/ thinker in sustainability communications
Episode: Spill The (Green) Tea with Dean Connell
Caroline Till
Founder of Tilt (formerly Franklin Till)
Tilt
Episode: Spill the (Green) Tea with Caroline Till
Rob Hopkins
Author of From What Is to What If and How to Fall in Love with the Future
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Episode: Spill the (Green) Tea with Rob Hopkins
Malin Cunningham
Founder of B2B coms consultancy Hattrick
Hattrick
Episode: 3Cs models that will change how you talk about sustainability
Katie Treggiden
Co-host and journalist, author, comstructist
Episode: 3Cs models that will change how you talk about sustainability
Sangeeta Waldron
Author and award-winning communication specialist; founder of Serendipity PR & Media; climate reality leader
Serendipity PR & Media
Episode: Spill the (Green) Tea with Sangeeta Waldron
Bernadette Russell
A storyteller, author, and tree planter focused on kindness, hope, and wonder.
Episode: Brackish - S6 E16 Bernadette Russell & Out Beyond Ideas of Wrongdoing and Rightdoing
Stefanie Cheong
Glasgow-based artist and jeweler, interested in geology, anthropology, and environmentalism
Episode: Brackish - S6 E15 Stefanie Cheong & It Could Be Worse
Emmi Salonen
Runs the London-based design practice, Studio Emmi, and author of The Creative Well-Being Handbook
Studio Emmi
Episode: Brackish - S6 E14: Emmi Salonen & What I learnt from getting in cold water everyday for a month

Hosts

Katie Treggiden
Host with background in journalism and design, focused on sustainability storytelling and ethical branding.
Malin Cunningham
Co-host and founder of a B2B sustainability communications consultancy; brings frameworks for credible climate storytelling.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 92 ratings
  • Making Design Circular

    I enjoyed this so much!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PaganLearner
    Ireland2 years ago
  • Well worth the listen!

    These podcast are great. Informative, easy to listen to. Lighthearted discussions about serious topics. Thank you for hosting your podcasts. Love them

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SaskiaShuttDesigns
    Belgium2 years ago
  • Values, Believe, Liberate And Define

    Katie has given me these words to ponder and act upon in her very down to earth, practical and “light bulb” moment podcasts! She shares and practices being kind and gracious to ourselves as we as makers negotiate our lives, art and sustainability in a tricky climate.

    Thank you so much for sharing your insights and wisdom as I take the next steps on new pathways!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jetart3
    United Kingdom3 years ago
  • Helps me feel less overwhelmed about climate change

    What I really love about Katie’s podcast (and work) is that she helps me feel like my contribution is enough. Climate change and running a business as an artist both can feel so overwhelming but Katie has helped me to see that my own unique contribution can be enough.

    This podcast is a great way to learn how to do that.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ElEmEf
    United States3 years ago
  • My new favourite sustainability podcast!

    I have absolutely loved the episodes I’ve heard so far. Katie’s genuine passion for exploring different aspects of sustainability is so enjoyable to follow

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    sozoblog
    United Kingdom3 years ago

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Positive reception of practical, evidence-based approaches to sustainability storytelling.
Audience values authenticity and actionable takeaways over performative messaging.
Listeners praise the depth and variety of guests, plus accessible, calm conversations.

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Spill The (Green) Tea with Dean Connell
Q: What is one kind of eco-unfriendly thing that you do?
Dean explains that ignorance is the most environmentally unfriendly thing he does, framing it as an invitation to learn rather than a moral failing, and argues that focusing on what you don't know is a prudent starting point for improvement.
3Cs models that will change how you talk about sustainability
Q: What are the three Cs in your framework and why do they matter?
The three Cs build on each other: Clarity defines what you're doing and why it matters; Credibility ensures external validation and transparent practices; Confidence translates that credibility into a believable, executed narrative. Together they create a foundation for trustworthy sustainability communications.
Spill the (Green) Tea with Sangeeta Waldron
Q: What advice would you give to companies trying to improve diversity in their communications?
Start with authentic values and embed diversity and inclusion into the brand and business strategy; ensure leadership and suppliers reflect these values, or risk superficial, performative messaging that undermines credibility.
Is Greenhushing more dangerous than Greenwashing?
Q: What is greenwashing?
Greenwashing is exaggerating or misrepresenting environmental actions to create the impression of being greener than is truly the case, including omissions or vague claims, not just what is stated.
Brackish - S6 E15 Stefanie Cheong & It Could Be Worse
Q: What are you hopeful for in the future?
She reflects on the importance of community and collaboration in overcoming crises, emphasizing that hope can emerge through collective action and innovation.

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A thoughtful series that centers on how brands communicate sustainability with honesty, nuance, and credibility. Conversations explore practical tactics to avoid greenwashing or greenhushing, balance imperfect progress with strategic storytelling, and connect environmental goals to business value. Guests range from designers and researchers to authors and sustainability strategists, with a focus on credible narratives, top-level commitment, and engaging communities through visuals and storytelling. The format tends to mix rigorous frameworks with real-world case studies, aiming to help listeners navigate volatile market expectations while staying authentic and hopeful about meaningful change.

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