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Outrage + Optimism is for anyone who is not ready to give up on making the world a better place. For unrivalled conversations with decision makers, visionary thinkers and a community of like-minded climate optimists, join former UN climate chief Christiana Figueres, political strategist Tom Rivett-Carnac and sustainable business consultant Paul Dickinson. Each week they make sense of all the top c... more

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ā€œI wasn’t on the Ballot, and if I was, we would have won IN A LANDSLIDE!ā€

So says President Trump, who was ā€œa little bit surprisedā€ by the midterms. The results were unambiguous. Democrats comfortably took the House and the Senate, and won the popul... more

Lula da Silva has won a fourth term as President of Brazil, and Ursula von der Leyen says democracy has won in Brazil. But things are never simple. Donald Trump says it looked like ā€œanother rigged electionā€. FlĆ”vio Bolsonaro, son of the jailed former... more

In Digger, Tom Cruise plays an oil tycoon whose rig sets off a tsunami. Within days of release, it was written off as a flop. Christiana Figueres has seen it twice, and she has questions about how quickly that verdict arrived. As she sees it, the fil... more

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Before she was Christiana Figueres, architect of the Paris agreement, who was she? What did believe in 2015 that she no longer believes?

In June, an event about the next generation of climate leaders was postponed because of extreme heat. This week,... more

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Recent Guests

Nicola Ranger
Executive Director of Earth Capital Nexus and Professor in Practice at the Grantham Research Institute at LSE
Earth Capital Nexus
Episode: Lula Has Four More Years. Does the Amazon?
Xandi Drysdale
Biochemistry student and chair of the People & Planet Society at Bath Students' Union
People & Planet Society
Episode: What World Will They Inherit? Live from Bath Abbey
Lorraine Whitmarsh
Environmental psychologist and director of the Centre for Climate Change and Social Transformations
Centre for Climate Change and Social Transformations
Episode: What World Will They Inherit? Live from Bath Abbey
Phil Taylor
Vice-Chancellor of the University of Bath
University of Bath
Episode: What World Will They Inherit? Live from Bath Abbey
Nav Sawhney
Engineer and founder of The Washing Machine Project
The Washing Machine Project
Episode: What World Will They Inherit? Live from Bath Abbey
Surangel Whipps Jr.
President of Palau
Palau
Episode: How Can a Country Survive Losing Its Land?
Susana Malcorra
Former Foreign Minister of Argentina and former UN insider who ran for Secretary-General in 2016
UN/Argentine Government
Episode: Who Runs the World?: Inside the UN’s Secret Leadership Race
Climen Weig
Executive at the Climate Group mentioned in the show
Climate Group
Episode: Who Runs the World?: Inside the UN’s Secret Leadership Race
Erin Sikorsky
Director of the Center for Climate and Security, program of the Council on Strategic Risks
Center for Climate and Security / Council on Strategic Risks
Episode: Inside the New Security Thinking: The Weaponisation of Disaster?

Hosts

Christiana Figueres
Former UN climate chief and climate advocate
Tom Rivett-Carnac
Political strategist and climate advocate
Paul Dickinson
Sustainable business consultant

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 2.4k ratings
  • Thank you

    The title Outrage + Optimism drew me in when I needed to feel both of those more deeply. Since then, you continue to give me much to learn, reflect on, think about, feel, and most importantly, do. Even though I’d been learning about the climate crises long before listening to this podcast, I hadn’t really internalized the spectrums of outrage and optimism, how we need both, and how they intersect within us. I had before been growing numb to both those fires inside me, and your podcast turned the... more

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    šŸŖ“ā¤ļøšŸ§”šŸ’›šŸ’ššŸ’™šŸ’œšŸŖ“
    United States2 months ago
  • Hypocritical elitist communism

    Basically saying: It’s fine for us to fly all over the place for our campaigns and drive our Teslas but you should have a shorter shower and less heating while we tax you out of being able to use your old banger which you need to be able to work.

    What happens when everyone in Africa gets a car and a washing machine or are they not allowed one in your world ???

    One thing that’s Guaranteed you have one.

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    Builder in Devon
    United Kingdom4 months ago
  • Could she shut up

    That stupid woman constantly making everything about her, constantly interrupting ruins this show. Enthusiasm has its place but she just destroys the focus of every section. Ahh and then two of them, the guest and one host, just said it, just as I finished typing it, ā€˜no one else gets a word in sideways!’

    Think I can riff off cris o rivers review, too, this show is really a chronicle of institutional climate change failure, not sure the hosts realise that.

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    Herronski
    Australia4 months ago
  • Positivity!

    Even when tackling the most difficult, dangerous and frustrating topics, the passion and optimism of the hosts shines through. Thank you.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jozzles44
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • Love and disappointment

    This last episode at the end of CO30, marks the moment when I am divided by my love for this podcast and my deepest disappointment in this last episode. In general, the series of Inside COP30 have been very diplomatic, and still providing a good overview of the COP, except that this episode fails to offer the proper level of criticism that the result out of it deserves. Nothing was achieved in the political arena of COP that was not part of previous agreements and the so called for Truth and Im... more

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    KBA2020
    Switzerlanda year ago

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Other criticisms focus on perceived deference to institutions or business interests, and inconsistent audio levels.
Listeners value the hosts' expertise, humor and ability to make complex climate politics and science easier to follow.
Many describe the mix of urgency and optimism as informative, emotionally sustaining and motivating them to take action.
Listeners praise the range of international perspectives, expert guests and connections between climate issues and practical solutions.
Some reviewers criticize the hosts for interrupting one another and question the balance of voices and perspectives.

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Lula Has Four More Years. Does the Amazon?
Q: Your research has found that when a country's nature or especially forests are degraded, that country has to pay much more for the capital that it borrows. Can you substantiate that and why do you think that is?
Ranger says bond spreads show that investors price in environmental degradation because it raises risks such as floods and droughts, harms industries and reduces resilience. The resulting higher borrowing costs particularly burden poorer countries.
Lula Has Four More Years. Does the Amazon?
Q: How would you explain what types of values are on your radar screen and why do we have so many different types of values?
Ranger says forests have historically been valued mainly for timber and firewood, while their full economic, ecological and global contributions remain undervalued.
Digger's flop, Big Oil and the bots: What actually moves people?
Q: In your experience, in negotiations, what conditions made deeper listening possible when it actually happened?
Figueres describes listening to Saudi officials and learning how threatened they felt by a global climate agreement. Asking what they needed led to the answer ā€œEconomic Diversification,ā€ which informed language in the Paris Agreement and helped avoid opposition.
Digger's flop, Big Oil and the bots: What actually moves people?
Q: Is it through fear or is it through hope? How can we make them react?
The hosts say both fear and hope can motivate or paralyze people. Tom Rivett-Carnac argues that agency is crucial: people are more likely to act when they believe they can contribute to a collective response. Christiana Figueres adds that people can be reached through different narratives and motivations.
What World Will They Inherit? Live from Bath Abbey
Q: How do we, as young people, move beyond simply asking leaders to listen to us and build enough trust, power and partnership to get them to work with us to protect the future we will have to live in?
Figueres says there is no single answer, but the question should guide action. She advises pairing complaints with alternative solutions and notes that young people are being listened to more than they were a decade ago.

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What is Outrage + Optimism about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Weekly conversations connect climate science and current affairs with the politics, economics and human stories shaping climate action. Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac and Paul Dickinson bring experience in international climate diplomacy, political strategy and sustainable business to discussions of negotiations, energy transitions, forests, climate security and public engagement. The format moves between host conversations, listener questions, expert interviews and occasional on-the-ground or live reporting. Guests include policymakers, researchers, business and finance specialists, campaigners, journalists and community leaders, often offering practical or local perspectives alongside global analysis. A distinctive thread is the e... more

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2. Xandi Drysdale
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5. Nav Sawhney
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7. Susana Malcorra
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