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Join animal law professor and longtime activist Mariann Sullivan as she explores groundbreaking legal cases shaping the future of animal protection. Each episode features in-depth discussions with leading attorneys, scholars, and advocates about critical developments in animal law—focusing on significant court decisions and their enforcement. Whether you’re a legal professional, animal advocate, o... more

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In this episode of The Animal Law Podcast, Mariann Sullivan speaks with Rebecca Cary and Melissa Alpert, attorneys at Humane World for Animals, about the federal government’s unprecedented lawsuits challenging California’s Proposition 12 and Michigan... more

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In this episode of The Animal Law Podcast, Mariann Sullivan speaks with Eric Glitzenstein, Director of Litigation at the Center for Biological Diversity, about what he calls the most extreme attack on the Endangered Species Act in its history. They b... more

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This month’s Animal Law Podcast features attorney Taj Uppal, who was arrested and charged with felony grand theft after rescuing two sick baby goats from Vera Goat Dairy, a California factory farm supplying Meyenberg Goat Milk to retailers like Whole... more

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This week, Mariann Sullivan sits down with Cheryl Leahy, director of the newly launched Animal Law Practice Association (ALPA) at the Brooks Institute for Animal Rights Law and Policy, to unpack how the free program is training and connecting lawyers... more

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Rebecca Cary
Managing attorney in the Animal Protection Law section at Humane World for Animals
Humane World for Animals
Episode: The Federal Government vs. Prop 12: Can the Egg Products Inspection Act Preempt Cage-Free Egg Laws?
Melissa Alpert
Staff attorney in the Animal Protection Law section at Humane World for Animals
Humane World for Animals
Episode: The Federal Government vs. Prop 12: Can the Egg Products Inspection Act Preempt Cage-Free Egg Laws?
Eric Glitzenstein
Director of Litigation at the Center for Biological Diversity
Center for Biological Diversity
Episode: The Trump Administration Is Dismantling the Endangered Species Act
Taj Uppal
Attorney and co-defendant in the case discussed
Direct Action Everywhere (DXC) / Berkeley Law background mentioned
Episode: Rescuing Baby Goats is a Felony?: Attorney Taj Uppal on Facing Prison for Saving Two Lives
Cheryl Leahy
Director of the Animal Law Practice Association
Brooks Institute for Animal Rights Law and Policy
Episode: Building the Field: Inside the Animal Law Practice Association with Cheryl Leahy
Wayne Hsiung
Animal rights advocate and defendant in Sunrise Farms case
Sunrise Sunrise Farms case (Wayne Hsiung)
Episode: Wayne Hsiung’s Landmark Animal Rescue Appeal Wins Some, Loses Some: What It Means for the Right to Rescue
Amal Bouhabib
Senior staff attorney at FarmSTAND
FarmSTAND
Episode: When the Law Fails Farmworkers: J-1 Visa Exploitation, Labor Trafficking, and the Hidden Cost of Cheap Meat
Noah Greenwald
Endangered Species Program Director, Center for Biological Diversity
Center for Biological Diversity
Episode: Court Strikes Down Trump ESA Regulations — A Win for Endangered Species
Camille Labchuk
Animal rights lawyer and executive director of Animal Justice
Animal Justice
Episode: Canada’s Live Horse Exports: Fighting for Animal Transport Law Enforcement w/ Camille Labchuk

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Mariann Sullivan
Host of The Animal Law Podcast

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 181 ratings
  • A complete picture

    Great analysis of the issues, addressing legal, and social intricacies with the right amount of detail and facts. Facts are all tied together through great storytelling, at a pleasant pace.

    Audible
    5
    Jeremy Lubell
    United States7 months ago
  • Great analysis of the issues, addressing legal, and social intricacies with the right amount of detail and facts. Facts are all tied together through great storytelling, at a pleasant pace.

    Audible
    5
    Jeremy Lubell
    United States7 months ago
  • So inspiring/motivating

    Brilliant latest episode! Really enjoyed listening to Alene Anello. Always so interesting. Thank you for all your efforts doing the podcast to get information out there…

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ali Hillyer
    United Kingdom2 years ago
  • A+ Podcast

    Interesting, timely, informative; this is a great listen for anyone interested in animal welfare or animal welfare law. Highly recommend!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ValRose233
    United States3 years ago
  • Excellent for anyone interested in animal rights

    I am not a lawyer, but I am scholar who studies animal rights/welfare discourse. This podcast is very informative and engaging, and Mariann has a casual but respectful interviewing style.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KCHNC
    United States3 years ago

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Thoughtful, accessible discussions that unpack complex laws impacting animals.
Engaging host with practical, actionable insights for activists and lawyers.
A few reviewers note the host can feel sanctimonious to some; overall, the show is seen as informative and inspiring.
Listeners appreciate how the episodes make legal concepts understandable for non-lawyers.

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The Federal Government vs. Prop 12: Can the Egg Products Inspection Act Preempt Cage-Free Egg Laws?
Q: Can you give us a brief summary of what the government is arguing, including what the Egg Products Inspection Act is and what its basic preemption argument is?
The government argues that the Act's express preemption clause bars state rules it characterizes as egg quality standards. The guests explain that the statute mainly establishes inspection and grading rules for egg products, while the challenged state laws regulate hen housing and animal welfare.
The Federal Government vs. Prop 12: Can the Egg Products Inspection Act Preempt Cage-Free Egg Laws?
Q: Can you briefly talk about animal product sales bans, what they are, where they are, which animals are involved, and the background of the litigation leading to these two cases?
Rebecca Cary traces California's laws from Proposition 2 and AB 1437 to Proposition 12, which requires covered animal products sold in California to come from animals able to perform basic behaviors and meet specified space requirements. Earlier legal challenges were unsuccessful, and the Supreme Court upheld Proposition 12 against the pork industry's major dormant Commerce Clause challenge in NPPC v. Ross.
Court Strikes Down Trump ESA Regulations — A Win for Endangered Species
Q: Why is the definition of 'foreseeable future' important in this case, and what did the court say about it?
Foreseeable future determines how far into the future the agency must assess potential impacts. The court found that the regulation's shift from 'likely to occur' to 'reasonably certain to occur' unduly narrowed the analysis and violated the ESA because it constrained consideration of foreseeable harm, undermining the statute's requirement to use best available information.
Court Strikes Down Trump ESA Regulations — A Win for Endangered Species
Q: Can you summarize in simple terms what Section 7 consultation requires and how the court's ruling changed that under the new regulations?
Section 7 requires federal actions to be evaluated for their effects on listed species, with a process that includes a biological assessment, a biological opinion, and reasonable and prudent measures to avoid jeopardy. The court struck down modifications that limited consideration of indirect and interrelated effects, narrowed the scope to footprint-only analyses, and rejected non-binding promises as enforceable terms, thereby restoring a broader, binding, science-based approach to consultation.
Canada’s Live Horse Exports: Fighting for Animal Transport Law Enforcement w/ Camille Labchuk
Q: What was the private-prosecution route in Carlisle Farms' case and what were the hurdles?
A private informant filed charges under federal and provincial laws; the Crown had discretion to stay or proceed, and there were issues about where offenses occurred and whether private prosecutions could proceed, with evidence largely documentary.

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5. Cheryl Leahy
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