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Were We Lucky, or Were We Good?

Steve Smith / Experiential Consulting
Risk Management
Outdoor Education
Climate Change
Wind Slab
Outdoor Education Industry
Breckenridge Outdoor Education Center
Failing Forward
Ingalls Peak
INDEX
Meadow Valley
Organizational Management
Incremental Change
Avalanche
Decision Making
Climbing
Group Dynamics
Heat
Emergency Planning
Near Misses
Incident Reporting

Welcome to the Lucky or Good Podcast, where we explore lessons learned from outdoor & experiential education, applying safety science and storytelling to learn from our experiences.

This is a community of curiosity, humility, and learning -- not a space to shame, blame, or judge. Critical thinking is welcome, but we should be critical of the conditions that led to incidents, not the people caugh... more

PublishesTwice monthlyEpisodes10Founded3 months ago
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Latest Episodes

Guest: Chris Bartram

Outdoor Educator, Mountain Guide and Risk Management Consultant Chris Bartram revisits a challenging experience from early in his outdoor education career, struggling with group dynamics and threatening, disruptive behavior from... more

Episode 8 - The Costs, and Gifts, of Outdoor Incidents (Tracy Rekart)

Guest: Tracy Rekart

Tracy Rekart shares a powerful story of a climbing incident, lessons learned about risk, communication, and resilience. This episode explores how to handle fa... more

Welcome to our first mini-episode, live from the lighthouse at Mukilteo, Washington State!

In this brief conversation, Matt Baker-White, an early adopter of our "Lucky or Good" approach, explains the difference between focusing on outcomes versus fo... more

How Vulnerability and Listening to Weak Signals Can Save Lives: A Conversation with Gareth Lock

In this episode, Gareth Lock (from the Human Diver) shares a powerful personal story about a near-fatal cardiac event and explores how vulnerability, sy... more

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Recent Guests

Chris Bartram
Longtime outdoor educator, program administrator, mountain guide, and risk management consultant
Episode: Episode 9 - A Behavioral Incident, or an Organizational Incident? (Chris Bartram)
Tracy Rekart
Outdoor educator and somatic practitioner discussed as guest
Episode: Episode 8 - The Costs, and Gifts, of Outdoor Incidents (Tracy Rekart)
Matt Baker-White
Avid wilderness educator, colleague from the Wild Rockies Field Institute
Wild Rockies Field Institute
Episode: Mini Episode #1 - Don't Mistake Outcomes for Process (Matt Baker-White)
Gareth Lock
Leading voice in Human Factors in Diving and safety science advocate
Human Diver / Human Factors in Diving
Episode: Episode 7 - Listening to Weak Signals (Gareth Lock)
Jaime Overmyer
Wilderness Program Director at Breckenridge Outdoor Education Center (BOEC)
Breckenridge Outdoor Education Center
Episode: Episode 6- Failing Forward (Jaime Overmyer)
Shana Tarter
Managing Director of the University of Colorado School of Medicine's Diploma in Climate Medicine; past president of the Wilderness Medical Society
University of Colorado School of Medicine
Episode: Episode 5 - Five Steps Towards Climate Resilience (Shana Tarter)
Dan Veenhuizen
Avalanche forecaster and professional avalanche worker
Stevens Pass Mountain Resort; National Park Service; Washington Department of Transportation
Episode: Episode 4 - Avalanche Professional Gets Caught (Dan Veenhuizen)
Deb Ajango
Award-winning researcher, author, and instructor of Risk Management and Wilderness Medicine
Safety Ed
Episode: Episode 3 - Snow Shelter Collapses on School Group (Deb Ajango)
Norm Eckman
Outdoor education veteran, mentor to the host
Episode: Episode 2 - Reframing Success in Outdoor Education (Norm Eckman)

Host

Steve Smith
Host with multiple references across episodes, often presenting alongside guests on safety, risk, and learning culture in outdoor education.

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Apple Podcasts
#175
Germany/Sports/Wilderness
Apple Podcasts
#110
Ireland/Sports/Wilderness
Apple Podcasts
#111
New Zealand/Sports/Wilderness
Apple Podcasts
#170
Switzerland/Sports/Wilderness

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Episode 4 - Avalanche Professional Gets Caught (Dan Veenhuizen)
Q: Were you lucky or were you good, looking back on your experience?
A mix of both: luck in surviving the avalanche and good decisions in managing consequences, ensuring margin, and deploying safety equipment; the discussion emphasizes learning from the incident to improve future risk management.
Episode 4 - Avalanche Professional Gets Caught (Dan Veenhuizen)
Q: What story would you like to share with the listeners?
Dan describes a 2019 backcountry skiing incident near Stevens Pass, detailing how wind slabs and terrain configuration created a hazardous situation, how he deployed an avalanche airbag, and what lessons emerged about group dynamics and decision-making.
Episode 7 - Listening to Weak Signals (Gareth Lock)
Q: Are there other safety science concepts that might apply to your story?
Concepts like local rationality, hindsight bias, and the balance between safety and business risk help explain why people act as they do in complex environments and how to design better safety investigations.
Episode 7 - Listening to Weak Signals (Gareth Lock)
Q: What are your thoughts on the importance of vulnerability and role modeling safety leadership?
Vulnerability from leaders invites teams to report concerns and mistakes; without visible openness, safe reporting and learning loops break down, increasing risk of unaddressed issues.
Episode 7 - Listening to Weak Signals (Gareth Lock)
Q: Tell us about your story and what you'd like to share.
The guest recounts a near-fatal heart event where delayed and imperfect care highlighted how subtle signals can indicate serious risk, emphasizing listening to weak signals and taking timely action.

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Listeners are drawn to practical safety science and risk-management storytelling within outdoor education and experiential programs. Episodes highlight how well-designed systems, proactive planning, and transparent debriefs improve outcomes, while also acknowledging that luck and human factors can still influence results. A recurring thread is shifting from reactive to proactive approaches—from avoiding blame to learning from near-misses, incidents, and weak signals—along with climate resilience, inclusive leadership, and the role of culture in safety. The show often features field-based experts and practitioners sharing concrete frameworks, checklists, and real-world case studies to help programs reduce risk, improve learning, and empower ... more

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