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B2B product marketers in SaaS businesses are feeling misunderstood. Struggling to position what they do internally. Colleagues not having one clear idea what they do either. What if there was a better way? This is We're Not Marketers. The new podcast for SaaSy B2B product marketers who want CEO buy-in on what they do. Get the weekly masterclass without the inflated tuition and entry-level requirem... more

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Emily Pick (Director of Product Marketing at Docebo) can do product marketing in her sleep. So when she earned the director title, she took it. Is it still worth it? She tells her side of the story, and if you're asking yourself the same? You might r... more

Three fractional PMMs (Eric, Gab and Zach), one uncomfortable question:

when you pivot your offer, do you actually know what you're doing?

In this next episode, Zach opens up about his two business pivots this year. Does he know what he's doing? T... more

Companies are posting head of storytelling roles at around $400K a year, and Elliott Rayner (Head of Storytelling at OWOW Agency and Creator of The Story Cohort) has the receipts: 25 of those job descriptions, pulled apart in his State of Storytellin... more

Nina Churchill quit her corporate PMM job effective immediately. She then wrote a series of posts on LinkedIn that reached about half a million people. She's a fellow product marketer and founder of Fresh View Concepts, where she helps B2B companies ... more

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Recent Guests

Elliott Rayner
Fractional head of storytelling who helps product and marketing teams turn complex products into clear narrative
Product Narratives / State of Storytelling
Episode: They're Paying $400K for a Job Product Marketers Already Do, w/ Elliott Rayner
Nina Churchill
Product marketer, founder of Fresh View Concepts
Fresh View Concepts
Episode: Death to Sameness w/ Nina Churchill
Maggie Arai
Bed planner featured in episode
IRL Studios
Episode: Your CEO Just Handed You an Event. Now What? w/ Maggie Arai
Brendan Hufford
Special appearance/guest
Episode: We Spent Three Years Hiding From Dave Gerhardt at His Own Event
Natalie Taylor
Co-founder of Capsule, video-focused product marketing expert
Capsule
Episode: Why Is Every Product Marketer Suddenly Being Asked to Make Video? w/ Natalie Taylor
Jason Druss
Product marketer at Adobe, former colorist
Adobe
Episode: How a Guy Who Graded Film Got Tricked Into Product Marketing w/ Jason Druss
Gila Shapiro
PMM/Copywriter with experience across agencies and in-house
Aligned, Riverside (competitor of SquadCast)
Episode: AI is killing your marketing (one way to fix) w/ Gila Shapiro
Louis Grenier
Founder of Stand the Fuck Out and former product marketing/content lead at Hotjar
Stand the Fuck Out / Hotjar
Episode: Allergic to bullshit marketing w/ Louis Grenier
David Lim
Seasoned product marketing manager with experience at major firms
Episode: “I’m Just A Normal PMM Trying To Survive” (with David Lim)

Hosts

Eric Holland
Host on the show and co-host; central to discussions on PMM
Gab Bujold
Co-host/guest facilitator with deep PMM insights
Zach Roberts
Co-host who introduces topics and drives conversation

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 54 ratings
  • My life would be empty

    My life would be empty without this podcast. Love these guys! Totally a top marketing podcast.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PRKT555
    Switzerland2 years ago
  • This is a GOLD!

    If you are a current PMM or aspiring PMM, you do not want to miss this podcast. It’s work every minute. Gab, Eric and Zach and on to something great here. They have some amazing guests and REAL conversations. They make it fun and interactive. They hit on some interesting topics and are not afraid to go into some deep conversations. I can’t wait for the next episode as they have me hooked. For all the other podcast, this is the podcast to watch out for!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Rohan.Dsouza
    United States2 years ago
  • So Good! Relatable Discussion Powerful Education

    Thank you for what you’re doing! The PMM role always seems to be defined so differently, yet we all face very similar issues. You’re not just talking about the problems though. You’re bringing in experts with all sorts of perspectives on them that have worked through these problems themselves. I’ve learned a ton!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cstrauss7
    United States3 years ago

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Shows are seen as a strong resource for improving cross-functional collaboration.
Audience notes the blend of humor and hard-hitting advice as a standout.
Guests are described as high-caliber with real-world PMM experience.
Listeners praise practical, debt-free marketing guidance for PMMs.

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#81
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#109
Italy/Business/Marketing
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#8
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Apple Podcasts
#94
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#228
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#233
Israel/Business/Marketing

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Death to Sameness w/ Nina Churchill
Q: Nina, what moment or realization prompted you to join Death to Marketing and pursue this new path?
She describes leaving a toxic in-house setup, choosing herself, and taking bold steps to start Fresh View Concepts while embracing vulnerability and authenticity rather than fitting into traditional PMM norms.
Why Is Every Product Marketer Suddenly Being Asked to Make Video? w/ Natalie Taylor
Q: How can teams begin to implement video without a full creative department?
Use templated systems, establish a clear video style (template-based branding), and consider agentic solutions that automate parts of the process while still allowing human input at key milestones.
Why Is Every Product Marketer Suddenly Being Asked to Make Video? w/ Natalie Taylor
Q: What should someone do if they're handed a product video project they've never done before?
Start with the substance of what you want to say, then leverage templates or tools to build the video around that core message; onboarding and collaboration with experts can help shorten the learning curve.
Why Is Every Product Marketer Suddenly Being Asked to Make Video? w/ Natalie Taylor
Q: Are product marketers actually marketers? Why or why not?
Natalie argues that product marketers are indeed marketers because they engage in marketing activities, with the distinction often arising from scope and specialization, such as focus on demand gen versus content or brand aspects.
AI is killing your marketing (one way to fix) w/ Gila Shapiro
Q: What is the most important difference between copywriting and just writing copy?
The key distinction is that copywriting aims to persuade and change behavior, not just produce text; it requires deep audience understanding and craft to ensure the message actually resonates and leads to action.

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Frequently Asked Questions About We're Not Marketers

What is We're Not Marketers about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on product marketing leadership in B2B SaaS, exploring how PMMs can best influence product strategy, messaging, and go-to-market with customer empathy at the core. Episodes frequently spotlight storytelling, positioning, cross-functional collaboration, and practical frameworks for measuring impact, with guests ranging from seasoned PMMs to agency leaders offering concrete playbooks, real-world anecdotes, and blunt takes on the industry. A notable through-line is elevating PMM's role beyond traditional marketing—emphasizing CEO alignment, authentic communication, and customer-first strategies as the foundation for sustained growth.

Listeners are likely practitioners and aspiring PMMs seeking career guidance, actionable tact... more

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