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Sometimes, a hot new story will cross our desks that we need to talk about right away. That's where Upzoned comes in. Join Strong Towns President Chuck Marohn, Carlee Alm-LaBar, Norm Van Eeden Petersman, and other guests to talk in depth about one big story from the week in the Strong Towns conversation.

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A New York condo sold for $238 million, but the city assessed it at just $15.5 million. Mayor Zohran Mamdani has framed his new pied-à-terre tax as a way to “tax the rich,” but a recent article by Ken Girardin, “The Sheer Absurdity of New York’s Pied... more

What happens when something people have always treated as free suddenly gets a price tag? A USA Today article, “Shopping Malls Are Charging for Prime Parking. It’s Not Going Well,” looks at what happens when a long-standing free amenity suddenly has ... more

A Los Angeles couple set out to build a 400-square-foot backyard home for about $300,000, only to watch the final cost climb to $600,000 in a project recently profiled by Lisa Boone in the Los Angeles Times. Norm Van Eeden Petersman talks with Tamara... more

A six-year-old rides his scooter to a playground a quarter mile from home. Two days later, Child Protective Services is at his family’s door. His case is one of several in a recent New York Times article asking whether letting children play outside a... more

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Recent Guests

Joe Minicozzi
Founder and principal of Urban3
Urban3
Episode: When Fixing Property Taxes Just Adds Another Tax
Lars Doucet
Co-founder and president of Research and Development at the Center for Land Economics
Center for Land Economics
Episode: When Fixing Property Taxes Just Adds Another Tax
Monte Anderson
Developer and real estate investor involved in mall redevelopments
Options Real Estate Investments; Neighborhood Evolution
Episode: What Happens When Malls Start Charging for Parking?
Tamara White
Co-executive lead of Planning Innovation at Small Housing
Small Housing
Episode: This Tiny Backyard Home Cost $600,000
Mary Coddington
Founder and principal of 12 Incorporated
12 Incorporated
Episode: This Tiny Backyard Home Cost $600,000
Angie Schmitt
Author, urban planner, traffic safety advocate
Three Mile Per Hour Planning and Consulting
Episode: When Did Letting Kids Play Outside Become a Crime?
Lenore Skenazy
President of Let Grow and founder of the Free Range Kids Movement
Let Grow
Episode: When Did Letting Kids Play Outside Become a Crime?
Rick Cole
Urbanist and longtime local government leader; Pasadena City Council member
City of Pasadena/LA-area governance
Episode: L.A.’s 8-Mile Bike Path Is Now a $1 Billion Project
Dave Snyder
Transportation advocate and strategist
Independent/Nonprofits (San Francisco-based)
Episode: L.A.’s 8-Mile Bike Path Is Now a $1 Billion Project

Hosts

Chuck Marohn
Host of Upzoned
Norm Van Eeden Petersman
Host of Upzoned; Strong Towns contributor
Carlee Alm-LaBar
Host of Upzoned; Strong Towns contributor

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 277 ratings
  • I Miss Abby!

    I was a big fan of the show but all of the sudden there’s no Abby, and chuck doesn’t even mention what happened to her. I feel like she deserves better than that for the years she put in as host. Norm seems nice but just makes it feel a lot less casual and, honestly, kinda boring. Feels uptight. Not sure I’ll continue listening. I’ll just stick to strong towns. I hope you guys re-evaluate…. Again.

    5/5 with Abby, 2.5/5 after.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Jennessy92
    United States6 months ago
  • More on data centers please!

    Your recent episode on data centers was unbelievably timely as we just learned of a proposal to put a data center on the edge of our 1 mile square town in PA. I had no idea what to expect before listening to this podcast. I’d love to hear Chuck’s thoughts as well.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Eusebius Beade
    United Statesa year ago
  • Cut it down

    Please please please hire an editor. I don’t mind a bit of chatter, 7 minutes of uninteresting chatter to start an episode is too much.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Lowly intern boi
    United States2 years ago
  • Abby leads the show

    I really want to like this show more. Abby is a great host and has interesting guests on, but when Chuck is on the show I find it hard to listen beyond even their introductions. His vibe is just off and lacks adding substantial value to the show. He also rambles far too much about his personal life.

    As a result, when he’s on I almost always move on from the episode.

    However, when Chuck is not on the show, I always tune in to the entire episode!

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    @kyleinphoenix
    United States3 years ago
  • Don’t “both sides” everything

    Give credibility to conspiracy theories about the 15-minute city. You can’t both side everything

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Alessandro Rigolon
    United States4 years ago

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Some viewers criticize pacing or host dynamics but praise depth when guest experts drive the discussion.
The show is valued for challenging conventional planning and offering actionable ideas for communities of different sizes.
Listeners appreciate data-driven insights on urban policy and practical, incremental approaches to town-building.

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When Did Letting Kids Play Outside Become a Crime?
Q: How can we reconcile concerns about safety with the need for independence?
By improving traffic safety, redesigning streets, and adopting policies like reasonable childhood independence laws that narrowly define neglect and protect kids while enabling age-appropriate autonomy.
When Did Letting Kids Play Outside Become a Crime?
Q: What should a healthy, normal culture around kids' independence look like in the future?
A shift toward safer, not overbearing environments where schools provide open, mixed-age free play spaces and traffic design supports, along with a cultural move away from fear-driven parenting toward trust and manageable risks.
L.A.’s 8-Mile Bike Path Is Now a $1 Billion Project
Q: How can the project be broken down into actionable steps in a timely fashion?
Identify a core, low-cost segment that can be completed with current funds (e.g., an initial connector along the river) and use that as a proof of concept to unlock maintenance funding and broader support, rather than waiting for a perfect, all-encompassing plan.
L.A.’s 8-Mile Bike Path Is Now a $1 Billion Project
Q: What stood out to you with the Strong Towns lens on this project?
The key takeaway is that while many stakeholders demand perfect, fully funded plans, the path to real progress lies in starting with smaller, affordable segments that can be built now and incrementally improved, which accelerates delivery and builds public support.
Chicago’s $1.2 Billion Parking Meter Problem
Q: What are practical steps cities can take to avoid similar missteps in the future?
Cities should pursue transparent governance, consider bottom-up parking management models, and focus on enhancing curb-space value through targeted investments (lighting, safety, walkability) while ensuring policy and pricing are aligned with public benefits rather than private profit; also, the possibility of structuring revenue-sharing or buy-back plans could be explored with proper authorization and public process.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Upzoned

What is Upzoned about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on urban planning and municipal finance, with frequent deep-dives into housing affordability, parking policy, and the economics of streets and infrastructure. Episodes blend data-driven analysis, historical context, and on-the-ground case studies from towns and cities, exploring incremental development, governance, and policy reforms that aim to make places more affordable, navigable, and livable. A standout is the willingness to challenge car-centric, top-down planning and to highlight practical, bottom-up approaches—ranging from land value considerations to scalable, community-led projects. The mix of guest experts, local officials, and practitioners often surfaces pragmatic strategies for neighbors, developers, and polic... more

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2. Lars Doucet
3. Monte Anderson
4. Tamara White
5. Mary Coddington
6. Angie Schmitt
7. Lenore Skenazy
8. Rick Cole

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