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Sometimes, a hot new story will cross our desks that we need to talk about right away. That's where Upzoned comes in. Join Strong Towns President Chuck Marohn, Carlee Alm-LaBar, Norm Van Eeden Petersman, and other guests to talk in depth about one big story from the week in the Strong Towns conversation, right when you want it: now.

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Americans have been told that buying a home is one of the safest ways to secure their future. But when retirement depends on home values continuing to climb, affordability begins to look like a threat. Carlee Alm-LaBar is joined by Daniel Herriges, c... more

In 2009, Chicago traded 75 years of parking meter revenue for a $1.2 billion payment that helped fill an immediate budget hole. Norm Van Eeden Petersman is joined by Tony Jordan, executive director of the Parking Reform Network, and Edward Erfurt, ch... more

Five years after wildfire destroyed most of Lytton, British Columbia, rebuilding remains slow despite more than $140 million in committed public funding. Norm Van Eeden Petersman talks with Michel Durand-Wood, author of You’ll Pay for This, and Graha... more

Chuck Marohn has long been critical of housing research that treats affordability as a simple supply problem. This week, he brings Andrew Burleson, chair of the Strong Towns board, and Jeff Fong, a board member at YIMBY Action, a new paper on Austral... more

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Recent Guests

Tony Jordan
Executive Director of the Parking Reform Network
Parking Reform Network
Episode: Chicago’s $1.2 Billion Parking Meter Problem
Graham Watt
Manager of Strategic Initiatives and Flood Recovery for the City of Grand Forks
City of Grand Forks
Episode: Can Rebuilding Make a Town Weaker?
Jeff Fong
Board member at YIMBY Action; housing policy writer
YIMBY Action
Episode: The Housing Crisis Isn’t Moving in One Direction
John Reuter
Incoming Executive Director of Strong Towns
Strong Towns
Episode: Charlotte Said No to a $4.3 Billion Highway. Now the State Wants $60 Million Back.
Patrick Kennedy
Founder of the Human Ecosystem in American Dream City; urban design consultant and think tank
Human Ecosystem / American Dream City
Episode: Charlotte Said No to a $4.3 Billion Highway. Now the State Wants $60 Million Back.
Bernice Radle
Incremental developer in Buffalo, founder of Neighborhood Evolution, co-leader of Strong Towns Buffalo Local Conversation Group
Neighborhood Evolution / Strong Towns Buffalo
Episode: Why Do Vacant Storefronts Stay Vacant?
Alex Montero
Urbanist and co-leader of Strong Towns Chicago; comedian
Strong Towns Chicago
Episode: Why Do Vacant Storefronts Stay Vacant?
Rick Cole
Pasadena City Council member, former mayor; long-time Strong Towns member
Pasadena City Council
Episode: The World Cup and America’s Own Goal
Sam Quinones
Author and journalist
Author of The Least of Us, Dreamland, and related works
Episode: The Tuba and What It Actually Takes to Build Community

Hosts

Chuck Marohn
Host of Upzoned (Strong Towns); President of Strong Towns; frequently referenced as host/guide in the series
Norm Van Eeden Petersman
Host of Upzoned; Co-host; represents Strong Towns
Carlee Alm-LaBar
Co-host of Upzoned; Chief of Staff at Strong Towns

Reviews

4.6 out of 5 stars from 277 ratings
  • I Miss Abby!

    I was a big fan of the show but all of the sudden there’s no Abby, and chuck doesn’t even mention what happened to her. I feel like she deserves better than that for the years she put in as host. Norm seems nice but just makes it feel a lot less casual and, honestly, kinda boring. Feels uptight. Not sure I’ll continue listening. I’ll just stick to strong towns. I hope you guys re-evaluate…. Again.

    5/5 with Abby, 2.5/5 after.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Jennessy92
    United States4 months ago
  • More on data centers please!

    Your recent episode on data centers was unbelievably timely as we just learned of a proposal to put a data center on the edge of our 1 mile square town in PA. I had no idea what to expect before listening to this podcast. I’d love to hear Chuck’s thoughts as well.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Eusebius Beade
    United Statesa year ago
  • Cut it down

    Please please please hire an editor. I don’t mind a bit of chatter, 7 minutes of uninteresting chatter to start an episode is too much.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Lowly intern boi
    United States2 years ago
  • Abby leads the show

    I really want to like this show more. Abby is a great host and has interesting guests on, but when Chuck is on the show I find it hard to listen beyond even their introductions. His vibe is just off and lacks adding substantial value to the show. He also rambles far too much about his personal life.

    As a result, when he’s on I almost always move on from the episode.

    However, when Chuck is not on the show, I always tune in to the entire episode!

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    @kyleinphoenix
    United States3 years ago
  • Don’t “both sides” everything

    Give credibility to conspiracy theories about the 15-minute city. You can’t both side everything

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Alessandro Rigolon
    United States3 years ago

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Guests with hands-on municipal experience are frequently highlighted as strong anchors for the conversations.
Listeners appreciate the practical, ground-level focus on urbanism and how policy translates to neighborhoods.
Some episodes spark criticism of long debates or VFM critiques, but many find the data-driven insights valuable for city planning.

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Chicago’s $1.2 Billion Parking Meter Problem
Q: What are practical steps cities can take to avoid similar missteps in the future?
Cities should pursue transparent governance, consider bottom-up parking management models, and focus on enhancing curb-space value through targeted investments (lighting, safety, walkability) while ensuring policy and pricing are aligned with public benefits rather than private profit; also, the possibility of structuring revenue-sharing or buy-back plans could be explored with proper authorization and public process.
Chicago’s $1.2 Billion Parking Meter Problem
Q: What is a street worth, and how should parking be managed to reflect that value?
The guests discuss that streets have multifaceted value beyond immediate revenue, including safety, accessibility, and economic activity. Parking should be managed to support mobility and place quality, using tools like Parking Benefits Districts and performance-based pricing to balance demand with public benefits rather than treating meters as a pure cash generator.
Chicago’s $1.2 Billion Parking Meter Problem
Q: Why should people pay attention and care about what's happening in Chicago?
Because the Chicago case illustrates how a single, long-term financial deal can reshape how a city manages its most valuable public resource—the street and curb space—affecting mobility, land use, and neighborhood vitality for generations. It's a cautionary tale about prioritizing short-term revenue over adaptable street management.
New York’s Bracket And The Politics Of Maintenance
Q: When the mayor and his team dream this up, what problem do you think they were trying to solve?
They were likely aiming to boost citizen engagement and visibility around maintenance, using a gamified approach to draw attention to small-scale fixes while attempting to build trust and political capital through inclusive participation.
Unpacking The Myth That Growth Pays For Growth
Q: How do CMHC data and the 107,000 infrastructure figure relate to current DCC policies?
CMHC data and the 107,000 per unit suggest that most new housing requires far more infrastructure than DCCs typically recover, indicating a structural financing gap that DCC reductions alone cannot resolve.

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What is Upzoned about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Upzoned covers timely, in-depth discussions on urban planning, housing policy, and municipal finance through the lens of Strong Towns' initiatives. Recent episodes emphasize real-world constraints and pragmatic reforms—ranging from local governance and zoning debates to maintenance costs, park and public-space planning, and grassroots urbanism. The show often features practitioners, policy experts, and researchers who offer practical insights for cities aiming to be more resilient, affordable, and responsive to residents, with a consistent focus on local action over top-down mandates. A notable strength is weaving compelling case studies and on-the-ground experience into accessible conversations that help listeners understand how policy tra... more

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2. Graham Watt
3. Jeff Fong
4. John Reuter
5. Patrick Kennedy
6. Bernice Radle
7. Alex Montero
8. Rick Cole

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