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Two by Two

The Ken
India
Artificial Intelligence
Quick Commerce
Venture Capital
Netflix
Swiggy
E-Commerce
Electric Vehicles
Phonepe
Zepto
Ola Electric
Consumer Behavior
Upi
Fintech
Zomato
Air Pollution
Content Strategy
Paytm
Generative AI
Amazon

The Two by Two podcast is a premium business podcast from The Ken that investigates, discusses and breaks down the most important business stories around you. Hosted from The Ken's newsroom by business journalists Rohin Dharmakumar and Praveen Gopal Krishnan, Two by Two will feature guests and experts from across the industry and academia to talk about issues no one else is talking about.

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Three things happened in eleven days. 

The US ordered Anthropic to cut off its most powerful models for foreign users. 

HCL Tech put $150 million into Sarvam. 

And Mukesh Ambani told Reliance shareholders that India cannot keep renting its intelli... more

In the 48 hours since Meta announced it was putting $900 million into Cred and taking Kunal Shah to run WhatsApp globally, you've probably read a dozen confident explanations of what it all means. Praveen and Rohin don't have one. That's the point of... more

The newest way to build a new AI product is to say, “X is broken, and we fixed it using AI”. Well, hiring was probably broken, but AI didn’t change the outcome. Instead, it made it into an arms race where candidates are sold AI tools which help them ... more

Everything around the Indian economy looks shaky, i.e., a months-long conflict, a sliding rupee, and a government telling people to stop buying gold. Except for one important caveat: India’s market continues to hold on. The Sensex and Nifty have bare... more

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Recent Guests

Aakash Dharmadhikari
Co-founder of Realfast
Realfast
Episode: Agents changed everything about hiring except the outcome
Saumil Tripathi
Co-founder and CEO of Grapevine
Grapevine
Episode: Agents changed everything about hiring except the outcome
Gaurav Bisen
Founder of Masonry AI
Masonry AI
Episode: Where are Emergent’s users?
Vishal Gahlaut
Chief Business Officer, Hopscotch
Hopscotch
Episode: Amazon’s quick commerce wildcard is Prime
Vasuta Agarwal
Chief Revenue Officer
Gnani AI
Episode: Everyone bet on PhonePe and CRED. Bajaj Finance got there first.
Anand Kalyanaraman
Finance Editor of The Ken, frequent Groww author
The Ken
Episode: Groww beat every odd to get here. What beats it next?
Avinash Luthria
Founder of Fiduciaries, SEBI-registered investment advisor
Fiduciaries
Episode: Groww beat every odd to get here. What beats it next?
Jay Datta
Senior design leader who has built design teams at Deutsche Bank, Adobe, Flipkart, Makemytrip; runs Designup Conference
Designup (conference organizer); former roles at Deutsche Bank, Adobe, Flipkart, Makemytrip
Episode: Should young designers pay senior designers to teach them?
Shreyas Satish
Founder of Ownpath, design and development studio
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Hosts

Rohin Dharmakumar
Host of Two by Two, business journalist; with The Ken affiliations and deep experience covering business and markets
Praveen Gopal Krishnan
Co-host of Two by Two; long-form business journalist with The Ken background; leads discussions and guides guests

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 262 ratings
  • Sharda constantly interrupting Praveen was so irritating in IPL episode

    Sharda needs podcast training. Usually the episodes are professional and high in audio quality. But this speaker was constantly interrupting others, makes serious interesting conversation threads sidetracked. And switching to Hindi casually.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Yogesh Singla YS
    India4 months ago
  • Let guests speak!

    One of the host keeps interrupting the guest and launching into his own insights or counterpoints. Podcasts are not debates.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    RanchoSingh
    Indiaa year ago
  • A great app for Budding entrepreneurs

    This podcast is a must for management students who, in the future will have to think objectively before making decisions

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Kungpao panda
    India2 years ago
  • Old Ken was better

    The original Ken was definitely better. One story with depth. Now it is like any other publication where most stories are very superficial reporting. May be it’s a way to increase readership.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Its_mnm
    India2 years ago
  • Great insights

    Best business podcast for people who want to understand the startup deeply

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bharani C
    India2 years ago

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Some episodes suffer from interruptions impacting the flow, which is noted by listeners.
Listeners appreciate deep, data-driven analysis and practical takeaways for business strategy.
Criticism exists around interview pacing and ensuring guests have space to speak.
Positive feedback often highlights high production quality and strong guest insights.

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#139
India/Top Podcasts
Apple Podcasts
#23
India/Business

Talking Points

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Agents changed everything about hiring except the outcome
Q: Aakash, why use AI agents for hiring, and what are you measuring as success?
Agents dramatically increase capacity and signal quality, but success is measured by real-life good interviews and downstream hires with tight false positive/false negative controls, plus verification through human review.
Agents changed everything about hiring except the outcome
Q: Saumil, what problem were you trying to solve with Grapevine and TAL/Round One?
To help candidates fall in love with a job and present high-signal applications to employers, using AI agents to filter and tailor outreach rather than mass applying.
Where are Emergent’s users?
Q: Where are Emergent users?
Gaurav and Sumanth offer a theory that Emergent's users are deep, non-developer builders who are invisible to the casual observer due to geography (US-focused early on), channel mix (heavy reliance on influencer marketing rather than paid ads), and the nature of use cases (personal or hobby projects rather than showcase-worthy enterprise apps). They also suggest Emergent operates more like an infrastructure/OS for software with a broader SaaS value chain after creation.
Everyone bet on PhonePe and CRED. Bajaj Finance got there first.
Q: How do data, incentives, and company DNA combine to create a durable moat for Bajaj Finance?
They argue that Bajaj leverages a combination of rich voice data, proactive cross-selling across product lines, a relentless sales culture, and a willingness to experiment with multiple AI partners and pilots, which together create a durable, hard-to-copy advantage that goes beyond raw data alone.
Everyone bet on PhonePe and CRED. Bajaj Finance got there first.
Q: What makes Bajaj Finance credible as a FinAI company, given its history of aggressive disclosures?
The panelists note that credibility hinges on tangible improvements in cost and revenue over time, the scale and uniqueness of Bajaj's data assets, and whether the company can translate its AI ambitions into measurable bottom-line impact rather than just ambitious slides.

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Two by Two delivers nuanced, data-driven discussions on major business stories with industry insiders and academic voices. Episodes frequently critique branding, market structure, and technology-enabled disruption, featuring guests from finance, branding consultancies, investment firms, and top tech companies. Notably, the show blends rigorous analysis with practical implications for founders, investors, and executives, often unpacking how macro trends translate into real-world strategy. Listeners are likely drawn to thoughtful, evidence-based conversations about growth, competition, and the evolving landscape of Indian and global business. Potential guests and sponsors may find value in the show's capability to translate complex topics int... more

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1. Aakash Dharmadhikari
2. Saumil Tripathi
3. Gaurav Bisen
4. Vishal Gahlaut
5. Vasuta Agarwal
6. Anand Kalyanaraman
7. Avinash Luthria
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