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This Machine Kills

This Machine Kills
Artificial Intelligence
Silicon Valley
Capitalism
Climate Change
Openai
Elon Musk
Trump Administration
Political Economy
China
Microsoft
Surveillance
Amazon
Google
Gaza
Military Technology
Labor Rights
Forensic Pseudoscience
Extractive Capitalism
Fossil Fuels
Venture Capital

A podcast about technology and political economy /// Agitprop against innovation and capital /// Hosted by Jathan Sadowski and Edward Ongweso Jr., Produced by Jereme Brown /// Hello friends and enemies Listen anywhere that fine podcasts are distributed. Subscribe at patreon.com/thismachinekills to get premium episodes every week.

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Jumping off the downturn in the Australian data centre market, we talk about how susceptible this industry is to investment risk from even localized forms of community resistance and financial skepticism, even despite the sheer force of capital and i... more

We chat with Roopika Risam — author of Data Empire: How Information Shaped Human History — about the very long history of data and the many ways that empires have used data to gain power, exercise control, and enforce order on the world. We discuss t... more

We discuss and riff on the People’s AI Assembly, organized by AI Now Institute and More Perfect Union, which just happened in New York City. ••• The People's AI Assembly www.youtube.com/live/JZ7DnHoPLLQ Standing Plugs: ••• Order Jathan’s book... more

Jathan chats with journalist Kate Kaye about her new podcast series, Trust Control, all about the history and future of trying to measure trust. We get into different ways of defining trust, proxies for turning trust into quantified scores and “objec... more

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Recent Guests

Roopika Risam
Author of Data Empire and scholar of postcolonial studies and digital humanities
Episode: 481. The Data of Empire (ft. Roopika Risam)
Kate Kaye
Journalist, policy researcher and creator of the Trust Control podcast series
Redtail Media
Episode: 479. Trust Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings (ft. Kate Kaye)
Chuck Tingle
Author known for hyper-niche erotica and viral self-published works
Episode: Patreon Preview – 478. Keep Honking, I’m Watching Microdramas While Weaving Through Traffic
Quan Mills
Black, self-published author who produces viral Hood soap operas
Episode: Patreon Preview – 478. Keep Honking, I’m Watching Microdramas While Weaving Through Traffic
Clarissa Redwine
Tech worker, organizer, author
Collective Action in Tech / Tech Workers Coalition (as discussed)
Episode: 473. Tech Workers of the World, Unite (ft. JS Tan, Clarissa Redwine)
JS Tan
Tech worker, organizer, author
Collective Action in Tech / Tech Workers Coalition (as discussed)
Episode: 473. Tech Workers of the World, Unite (ft. JS Tan, Clarissa Redwine)
Nik Suresh
CEO, Hermit Technology
Hermit Technology
Episode: 469. The Maniacs are Running the Asylum (ft. Nikhil Suresh)
Matt Haugen
From the Climate and Community Institute (CCI)
Climate and Community Institute
Episode: 467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein)
Jesse Goldstein
From the Climate and Community Institute (CCI)
Climate and Community Institute
Episode: 467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein)

Hosts

Jathan Sadowski
Host of This Machine Kills; focuses on technology's political economy and critique of capital in innovation.
Edward Ongweso Jr.
Co-host; brings tech policy and political economy perspectives to episodes.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 586 ratings
  • Jathan Ed and Jeremy get it. Theyre kind of wordy but they're on the level and very informed.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    BrightKM
    6 months ago
  • Excellent Coverage

    Excellent, excellent coverage of multiple topics. Episode 441 with the fight against AI in behavioral health was among them. I 100% disagree with the naysayers in the reviews. All the hosts make this podcast worthwhile listening to regularly.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    EdeTM
    United States8 months ago
  • Really Good

    Jathan, Ed and Jeremy (and guests) present an accessible way to understand tech/finance/etc through the lens of dialectical materialism. What I enjoy most about this podcast is that they don’t just speak in abstractions, they are actually knowledgeable on these subjects. I always learn something new.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MRudley
    United Statesa year ago
  • Take a breath Jathan

    Jathan is emblematic of the windbag Marxist professor who can't help themselves with the endless lecturing and quotes from Marx before asking his guest an actual question. Cannot recommend.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Evantegrity
    United Statesa year ago
  • I genuinely wish I could give this a higher rating, because everyone involved in this podcast is knowledgeable and clearly researches every topic extensively but this entire show is pretty much just Jathan monologuing for an hour. Even when there's a really interesting guest, it's not a conversation. Jathan takes 20 minutes to ask a question because he goes off rambling about something and then the guest gets a brief period to talk. I heard Ed on Better Offline and he was great! I literally only... more

    Podchaser
    3
    Ali78
    a year ago

Listeners Say

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Listeners praise deep, accessible analysis of tech and policy.
The show is seen as essential for understanding the political economy of tech by its fans.
Some critics note variable pacing when guests are strong; hosts can dominate discussion.

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Apple Podcasts
#152
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Apple Podcasts
#149
United Kingdom/Technology
Apple Podcasts
#149
Canada/Technology
Apple Podcasts
#130
Australia/Technology
Apple Podcasts
#111
South Africa/Technology
Apple Podcasts
#126
Norway/Technology

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

481. The Data of Empire (ft. Roopika Risam)
Q: Why do you think there is this insistence to read or understand data as digital technologies, almost exclusively?
Risam says computing has increasingly hidden data from view. As machines shifted from visible punched cards and wiring to enclosed computers and remote digital systems, data came to seem immaterial and unprecedented, obscuring its long history as a tool of governance and imperial power.
481. The Data of Empire (ft. Roopika Risam)
Q: Why write this book, and what made you decide to take such a long view of data?
Risam began with frustration at scholarship that treated colonialism as historical while overlooking empires' long use of data to govern. Her research expanded from British colonial records to earlier examples, including the Domesday Book and ancient Mesopotamian tokens, and she chose to tell the story for a general audience.
479. Trust Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings (ft. Kate Kaye)
Q: What is the reason for doing a study like that?
Kaye says researchers may seek to calibrate trust and prevent people from over-trusting automated systems, but the work can also serve as a way to encourage workers to use technology they may distrust.
479. Trust Doesn’t Care About Your Feelings (ft. Kate Kaye)
Q: What did you find when you started asking questions about the construction of these scores?
Kaye found a wide range of approaches, from documented psychological scales and questionnaires to commercial software scores whose underlying criteria are less transparent.
467. Industrial Policy by Other Means (ft. Matt Haugen, Jesse Goldstein)
Q: What alternative framework do the hosts advocate for?
Green economic populism, which combines immediate relief for rising costs with long-term public investments in social infrastructure, democratic decision-making, and strong regulation of AI-relevant industries.

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What is This Machine Kills about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show offers rigorous, multi-episode conversations at the intersection of technology, political economy, and public policy. Topics frequently center on AI hype, how capital shapes tech adoption, data centers, surveillance, and regulatory dynamics, often critiquing corporate practice and state intervention alike. Noteworthy for pulling in policy-minded guests and tech critics, it tends to mix sharp analysis with cultural critique, aiming to reveal how innovation and capital interact to shape society. Potential listeners who enjoy dialectical debates about governance, labor, and the economics of technology will likely find this sampler representative of the broader catalog, with occasional deep dives into infrastructure, policy, and ethic... more

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7. Nik Suresh
8. Matt Haugen

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