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The Vertical Space is a podcast at the intersection of technology and flight, featuring deep dives with innovators, early adopters, and industry leaders.We talk about the radical impact that technology is creating as it disrupts flight, enabling new ways to access the vertical space to improve our lives - from small drones to large aircraft. Our guests are operators and innovators across the value... more

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Libby Bahat returns to The Vertical Space. Last time we talked to him about building an airspace for drones in peacetime. This time he's the regulator who decides whether a 777 full of people lands in a country under missile fire. As Head of the Aeri... more

We sat down with Mike Stengel of AeroDynamic Advisory to discuss what the US-Iran conflict is doing to aviation. The Middle East moves about 20% of global crude, and with the Strait of Hormuz closed and Gulf refining capacity damaged, jet fuel stocks... more

Admiral Phil Kenul spent decades flying NOAA aircraft into some of the most dangerous weather on earth, including multiple seasons as a P-3 Orion hurricane hunter, before transitioning into the world of UAS standards, where he now serves as Vice Chai... more

In this episode we sit down with Alex List, CEO and founder of FlyShirley, a startup building an AI copilot for the cockpit. Alex walks through what AI in aviation actually looks like today: the practical reality of a ground-based language model acce... more

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Recent Guests

Libby Bahat
Head of Aerial Infrastructure Department at the Israeli Civil Aviation Authority
Israeli Civil Aviation Authority
Episode: #111 Libby Bahat, Israel Civil Aviation Authority: Flying civilians into a war zone
Phil Kenel
Admiral and Senior Vice President at TriVector Services; Vice Chair ASTM Committee F38 on unmanned aircraft systems
TriVector Services; ASTM Committee F38
Episode: #109 Admiral Phil Kenul: What flying into hurricanes taught him about drone regulation
Alex List
CEO and founder of FlyShirley
FlyShirley
Episode: #108 Alex List, FlyShirley: 'Shirley' there's an opportunity for AI in the flight deck
Chris Hewlett
Former Navy Commander and helicopter Pilot, Director of Project Ultra
C. Scott Solutions
Episode: #100 Chris Hewlett, Project ULTRA: Why DoD will lead UAS integration
Jia Xu
CEO of SkyGrid, leader in autonomous flight integration
SkyGrid
Episode: #99 Jia Xu, SkyGrid: Opening the sky for autonomous flight
Chad Sweet
Co-founder and CEO of ModalAI, an expert in UAS technology with a background in wireless communications and computer vision.
ModalAI
Episode: #96 Chad Sweet, ModalAI: Small, smarter, safer UAS - made in USA
Richard Aboulafia
Managing Director of Aerodynamic Advisory, a boutique aerospace and defense management consultancy.
Aerodynamic Advisory
Episode: #92 Richard Aboulafia: Supply chain bottlenecks and the New Aerospace Order
George Mattson
Chief Executive Officer of Wheels Up
Wheels Up
Episode: #91 George Mattson, Wheels Up: The integrated customer experience
Christian Ramsey
Chief Commercial Officer of UAVionics and a member of the FAA Drone Advisory Committee since 2020.
UAVionics
Episode: #89 Christian Ramsey, uAvionix: Tackling aviation safety from drones to airports

Hosts

Jim Berry
Host of The Vertical Space; multiple episodes featured as a primary host with focus on aviation tech and regulation.
Peter Shannon
Co-host with deep involvement in unmanned aviation discussions and industry developments.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 29 ratings
  • Nothing comes close

    Really great content and conversations!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    1975dl
    United Statesa year ago
  • Why?

    Generally speaking, this is a good podcast, however, the latest episode featuring Brian Streem is a lesson in arrogance, poor attitude, and entitlement. The attitude and arrogance of this guy is unfathomable. He really doesn’t know anything about the Unmanned Systems space.

    I think the hosts should have listened to this edit and elected not to post this podcast because it Reflects poorly on your companies.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Hshsidnfnfirurndkxh
    United Statesa year ago
  • Well done!

    Three clever guys take the time to explain a cool subject and postulate where the industry is going. I’m looking forward to future episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fproe
    United States5 years ago

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Shows strong technical depth and practical industry insight for aviation tech
Guests tend to be senior, well-connected experts in UAS and airspace
Some episodes are highly critical, with polarized opinions around regulation and policy

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#155
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#50
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#74
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#22
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#152
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#13
India/Leisure/Aviation

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#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What will the future of advanced mobility look like?
It will open new connections between places that were previously inconvenient, providing better services without adding traffic to the ground.
#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What are the immediate operational technical infrastructure challenges as advanced air mobility operations grow?
We need to make airspace more machine readable and integrate high tempo operations without increasing control workload.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What metrics do you track most closely when assessing progress towards airspace automation?
I pay close attention to communication aspects, ensuring accurate, timely data flow between ground segment components and aircraft to maintain effective operations.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What lessons can be learned from the development of instrument flight rules?
The development of instrument flight rules was driven both by safety needs and the emergence of radar and communication technologies, which enabled efficient operations in poor visibility.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What's something that very few in the industry agree with you on?
The critical importance of airspace modernization for the future of aviation and the immediacy to adopt the available technology for automated flight rules.

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What is The Vertical Space about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A technology-forward show at the crossroads of aviation and automation, with a strong emphasis on unmanned systems, airspace management, and the integration of AI and autonomy into both military and civilian flight. Episodes frequently center on regulatory progress, safety protocols, and the practical challenges of scaling new aviation tech—from UAS standards and certification to autonomous air mobility and drone delivery. Notable threads include civil-military coordination in wartime airspace, evolving airspace rules, the role of standards bodies, and how operators, regulators, and industry players collaborate to move innovative flight technologies toward real-world use. The show often features senior executives and industry innovators who... more

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Recent guests on The Vertical Space include:

1. Libby Bahat
2. Phil Kenel
3. Alex List
4. Chris Hewlett
5. Jia Xu
6. Chad Sweet
7. Richard Aboulafia
8. George Mattson

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