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Autonomous Aircraft
Aviation Safety
UAS
Reliable Robotics
Replicator Initiative
Commercial Aviation
FAA Regulations
Certification Processes
Military Drone Production
Ukraine
Drone Technology
Advanced Air Mobility
Department Of Defense
Aerovironment
Supply Chain
General Aviation
Pilot Shortage
Autonomy In Warfare
Batteries
China

The Vertical Space is a podcast at the intersection of technology and flight, featuring deep dives with innovators, early adopters, and industry leaders.We talk about the radical impact that technology is creating as it disrupts flight, enabling new ways to access the vertical space to improve our lives - from small drones to large aircraft. Our guests are operators and innovators across the value... more

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In this episode we sit down with Alex List, CEO and founder of FlyShirley, a startup building an AI copilot for the cockpit. Alex walks through what AI in aviation actually looks like today: the practical reality of a ground-based language model acce... more

In this episode we reconnect with Robert Rose, CEO of Reliable Robotics, fresh off his testimony before Congress on the state of advanced air mobility. Robert shares what most people misunderstand about FAA certification, i.e. that the regulator isn'... more

In this episode we sit down with Koen De Vos, Secretary General of GUTMA, to unpack why U-Space still feels more aspirational than operational, and what aviation can learn from industries that have at least partially managed to digitize at scale. Dra... more

In this episode, we sit down with Ben Ivers (Boeing’s Director of Emerging Technologies & Regulatory Strategy) to unpack a deceptively simple idea: airspace modernization isn’t optional anymore and the tech to enable “automated flight rules” (AFR) is... more

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Recent Guests

Chris Hewlett
Former Navy Commander and helicopter Pilot, Director of Project Ultra
C. Scott Solutions
Episode: #100 Chris Hewlett, Project ULTRA: Why DoD will lead UAS integration
Jia Xu
CEO of SkyGrid, leader in autonomous flight integration
SkyGrid
Episode: #99 Jia Xu, SkyGrid: Opening the sky for autonomous flight
Chad Sweet
Co-founder and CEO of ModalAI, an expert in UAS technology with a background in wireless communications and computer vision.
ModalAI
Episode: #96 Chad Sweet, ModalAI: Small, smarter, safer UAS - made in USA
Richard Aboulafia
Managing Director of Aerodynamic Advisory, a boutique aerospace and defense management consultancy.
Aerodynamic Advisory
Episode: #92 Richard Aboulafia: Supply chain bottlenecks and the New Aerospace Order
George Mattson
Chief Executive Officer of Wheels Up
Wheels Up
Episode: #91 George Mattson, Wheels Up: The integrated customer experience
Christian Ramsey
Chief Commercial Officer of UAVionics and a member of the FAA Drone Advisory Committee since 2020.
UAVionics
Episode: #89 Christian Ramsey, uAvionix: Tackling aviation safety from drones to airports
Jenn Player
Vice President of Global Aviation Regulatory Affairs at Skydio and leading voice in the drone industry.
Skydio
Episode: #84 Jenn Player, Skydio: Autonomous drone operations
Bobby Sakaki
Founder and CEO of UAS Nexus, a consulting firm working with Western drone technology companies
UAS Nexus
Episode: #82 Bobby Sakaki, UAS Nexus: Drone industrial base, NDAA, Blue UAS
Bob Poole
Director of Transportation Policy and the Searle Freedom Trust Transportation Fellow at the Reason Foundation
Reason Foundation
Episode: #79 Bob Poole, Reason Foundation: The pros and cons of privatizing airports

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Peter Shannon
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Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 29 ratings
  • Nothing comes close

    Really great content and conversations!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    1975dl
    United Statesa year ago
  • Why?

    Generally speaking, this is a good podcast, however, the latest episode featuring Brian Streem is a lesson in arrogance, poor attitude, and entitlement. The attitude and arrogance of this guy is unfathomable. He really doesn’t know anything about the Unmanned Systems space.

    I think the hosts should have listened to this edit and elected not to post this podcast because it Reflects poorly on your companies.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Hshsidnfnfirurndkxh
    United Statesa year ago
  • Well done!

    Three clever guys take the time to explain a cool subject and postulate where the industry is going. I’m looking forward to future episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fproe
    United States4 years ago

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Industry-forward topics with a focus on safety and collaboration come through clearly.
Listeners appreciate candid discussions on regulatory challenges and real-world deployments.
The interviews offer practical, action-oriented insights for practitioners in aviation tech and drone spaces.

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#73
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#21
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#165
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#123
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#135
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#224
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#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What will the future of advanced mobility look like?
It will open new connections between places that were previously inconvenient, providing better services without adding traffic to the ground.
#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What are the immediate operational technical infrastructure challenges as advanced air mobility operations grow?
We need to make airspace more machine readable and integrate high tempo operations without increasing control workload.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What metrics do you track most closely when assessing progress towards airspace automation?
I pay close attention to communication aspects, ensuring accurate, timely data flow between ground segment components and aircraft to maintain effective operations.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What lessons can be learned from the development of instrument flight rules?
The development of instrument flight rules was driven both by safety needs and the emergence of radar and communication technologies, which enabled efficient operations in poor visibility.
#105 Ben Ivers, Boeing: Airspace modernization
Q: What's something that very few in the industry agree with you on?
The critical importance of airspace modernization for the future of aviation and the immediacy to adopt the available technology for automated flight rules.

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What is The Vertical Space about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on technology-enabled flight, drone and aviation innovation, and the regulatory and market shifts shaping the future of air mobility. Guests span founders, executives, and technologists who unpack topics from FAA certification and airspace modernization to autonomous systems, UAS integration, and DoD collaborations. The discussions frequently connect policy, safety, and practical deployment in real-world contexts, with notable emphasis on advancing autonomy, cargo and logistics missions, and the evolving business models across aviation tech. A standout angle is the balance between rigorous safety standards and rapid technological progress, along with cross-industry collaboration to move air mobility from promise to practice... more

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Recent guests on The Vertical Space include:

1. Chris Hewlett
2. Jia Xu
3. Chad Sweet
4. Richard Aboulafia
5. George Mattson
6. Christian Ramsey
7. Jenn Player
8. Bobby Sakaki

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