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The Vertical Space is a podcast at the intersection of technology and flight, featuring deep dives with innovators, early adopters, and industry leaders.We talk about the radical impact that technology is creating as it disrupts flight, enabling new ways to access the vertical space to improve our lives - from small drones to large aircraft. Our guests are operators and innovators across the value... more

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In this episode we speak with Marc Allen, CEO of Electra.aero, which builds the EL9, a nine-passenger hybrid-electric aircraft that takes off and lands in roughly 150 feet using blown lift and distributed electric propulsion. Marc came from Boeing, w... more

In this episode we speak with Andrew Clare, CEO of Elroy Air, which builds the Chaparral, an autonomous hybrid-electric VTOL that hauls cargo in detachable pods for middle-mile commercial and defense logistics. Elroy is a 10-year-old company built on... more

In this episode we speak with Lauren Flanagan, CEO of Sesame Solar, which builds mobile nanogrids. The product is a self-contained unit that generates its own power from solar, batteries, and stored hydrogen, set up by one person in fifteen minutes. ... more

Libby Bahat returns to The Vertical Space. Last time we talked to him about building an airspace for drones in peacetime. This time he's the regulator who decides whether a 777 full of people lands in a country under missile fire. As Head of the Aeri... more

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Recent Guests

Lauren Flanagan
CEO of Sesame Solar
Sesame Solar
Episode: #112 Lauren Flanagan, Sesame Solar: The fuel convoy is the target
Libby Bahat
Head of Aerial Infrastructure Department at the Israeli Civil Aviation Authority
Israeli Civil Aviation Authority
Episode: #111 Libby Bahat, Israel Civil Aviation Authority: Flying civilians into a war zone
Phil Kenel
Admiral and Senior Vice President at TriVector Services; Vice Chair ASTM Committee F38 on unmanned aircraft systems
TriVector Services; ASTM Committee F38
Episode: #109 Admiral Phil Kenul: What flying into hurricanes taught him about drone regulation
Alex List
CEO and founder of FlyShirley
FlyShirley
Episode: #108 Alex List, FlyShirley: 'Shirley' there's an opportunity for AI in the flight deck
Chris Hewlett
Former Navy Commander and helicopter Pilot, Director of Project Ultra
C. Scott Solutions
Episode: #100 Chris Hewlett, Project ULTRA: Why DoD will lead UAS integration
Jia Xu
CEO of SkyGrid, leader in autonomous flight integration
SkyGrid
Episode: #99 Jia Xu, SkyGrid: Opening the sky for autonomous flight
Chad Sweet
Co-founder and CEO of ModalAI, an expert in UAS technology with a background in wireless communications and computer vision.
ModalAI
Episode: #96 Chad Sweet, ModalAI: Small, smarter, safer UAS - made in USA
Richard Aboulafia
Managing Director of Aerodynamic Advisory, a boutique aerospace and defense management consultancy.
Aerodynamic Advisory
Episode: #92 Richard Aboulafia: Supply chain bottlenecks and the New Aerospace Order
George Mattson
Chief Executive Officer of Wheels Up
Wheels Up
Episode: #91 George Mattson, Wheels Up: The integrated customer experience

Hosts

Jim Berry
Host of The Vertical Space; multiple episodes featured as a primary host with focus on aviation tech and regulation.
Peter Shannon
Co-host with deep involvement in unmanned aviation discussions and industry developments.

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 29 ratings
  • Nothing comes close

    Really great content and conversations!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    1975dl
    United States2 years ago
  • Why?

    Generally speaking, this is a good podcast, however, the latest episode featuring Brian Streem is a lesson in arrogance, poor attitude, and entitlement. The attitude and arrogance of this guy is unfathomable. He really doesn’t know anything about the Unmanned Systems space.

    I think the hosts should have listened to this edit and elected not to post this podcast because it Reflects poorly on your companies.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Hshsidnfnfirurndkxh
    United States2 years ago
  • Well done!

    Three clever guys take the time to explain a cool subject and postulate where the industry is going. I’m looking forward to future episodes.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Fproe
    United States5 years ago

Listeners Say

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Shows strong technical depth and practical industry insight for aviation tech
Guests tend to be senior, well-connected experts in UAS and airspace
Some episodes are highly critical, with polarized opinions around regulation and policy

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#191
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#177
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#183
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#105
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#141
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#7
Ukraine/Leisure/Aviation

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

#112 Lauren Flanagan, Sesame Solar: The fuel convoy is the target
Q: How does Sesame plan to scale manufacturing and what are the economics compared to diesel systems?
The strategy focuses on scalable manufacturing, capital efficiency, and offering products as-a-service to reduce upfront costs. They anticipate a roughly 20% cost reduction through scale and design improvements, with consideration of alternatives like small modular nuclear and interoperability with other power sources.
#112 Lauren Flanagan, Sesame Solar: The fuel convoy is the target
Q: What is the current state of the hydrogen drone market and what are the main adoption barriers?
The market is small but growing, with early leaders in Europe and a few US players. Barriers include cost, energy losses in the hydrogen-to-drone energy path, and the logistics of manufacturing at scale, though improvements in edge power and dual-use markets are helping adoption.
#112 Lauren Flanagan, Sesame Solar: The fuel convoy is the target
Q: What is Sesame Solar's core offering and how does it solve the drone fuel problem?
Sesame provides mobile nano grids that generate power from solar, store energy in batteries, and generate or store hydrogen on-site to support long-endurance drones, removing the need for constant fuel convoys and enabling persistent operations in contested or remote locations.
#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What will the future of advanced mobility look like?
It will open new connections between places that were previously inconvenient, providing better services without adding traffic to the ground.
#107 Robert Rose, Reliable Robotics: Congressional testimony and conveyor belts in the sky
Q: What are the immediate operational technical infrastructure challenges as advanced air mobility operations grow?
We need to make airspace more machine readable and integrate high tempo operations without increasing control workload.

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What is The Vertical Space about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A technology-forward show at the crossroads of aviation and automation, with a strong emphasis on unmanned systems, airspace management, and the integration of AI and autonomy into both military and civilian flight. Episodes frequently center on regulatory progress, safety protocols, and the practical challenges of scaling new aviation tech—from UAS standards and certification to autonomous air mobility and drone delivery. Notable threads include civil-military coordination in wartime airspace, evolving airspace rules, the role of standards bodies, and how operators, regulators, and industry players collaborate to move innovative flight technologies toward real-world use. The show often features senior executives and industry innovators who... more

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Recent guests on The Vertical Space include:

1. Lauren Flanagan
2. Libby Bahat
3. Phil Kenel
4. Alex List
5. Chris Hewlett
6. Jia Xu
7. Chad Sweet
8. Richard Aboulafia

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