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The Trial Lawyers College Podcast

Trial Lawyers College
Trial Lawyers College
Psychodrama
Legal Education
Storytelling
Criminal Defense
The Trial Lawyers College
Trial Skills Foundation
Cross-Examination
Criminal Law
Medical Malpractice
Colorado
In Defense Of the Damned
Trial Advocacy
Personal Injury Law
Jury Verdicts
Immigration Justice
California
Courage To Ask
Texas
Traumatic Brain Injury

The Trial Lawyers College Podcast talks to leading attorneys, TLC board members, and faculty about the ideas and the issues that are affecting trial lawyers today. The TLC podcast covers courtroom strategy, communicating with jurors, connecting with clients, methods that drive success, balancing healthy relationships with a busy practice and more.

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Latest Episodes

Medical malpractice attorney and Trial Lawyers College graduate Geoff Pope joins Maren Chaloupka to explore how his journey from defending doctors to representing injured patients transformed his approach to trial law. Geoff shares how TLC taught him... more

Maren Chaloupka sits down with Trial Lawyers College alum Chris Madeksho to discuss his work representing people diagnosed with mesothelioma after asbestos exposure that often occurred decades earlier. Chris shares how TLC methods like role reversal,... more

Maren Chaloupka sits down with longtime Trial Lawyers College faculty member and past president John Sloan to discuss the unique challenges of representing clients who have suffered catastrophic injuries. John shares lessons from decades of trial exp... more

Monica Hartsock joins Andrew Delaney and Amanda Harbour for a candid conversation about consumer protection litigation, building a successful solo practice, and the unexpected value of finding a community of trial lawyers. From fighting financial ins... more

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Recent Guests

John Sloan
Trial lawyer from East Texas, former TLC president
Trial Lawyers College (as former president)
Episode: Representing Catastrophic Loss with John Sloan
Monica Hartsock
TLC alum and Consumer Production Trial Lawyer who represents people against corporations and financial institutions
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: Solo to Shared with Monica Hartsock
Shay Ridley
Harris County Public Defender and TLC 2025 Three Week alum
Trial Lawyers College, Harris County Public Defender's Office
Episode: Transformed with Reshae Ridley
Robin Zephier
Trial lawyer in Rapid City, South Dakota; author of Warrior Is
Independent practitioner; author
Episode: Riding the Silent Pony with Robin Zephier
Naomi Jones
Lawyer focusing on property and casualty litigation
New Orleans law firm
Episode: Restoring Dignity with Lauren Checki and Naomi Jones
Lauren Checki
Lawyer focusing on property and casualty litigation
New Orleans law firm
Episode: Restoring Dignity with Lauren Checki and Naomi Jones
David Zagoria
Alum, faculty member, and F Warrior Board representative in Georgia; dog injury specialist
Trial Lawyers College, Georgia
Episode: Behind the Bite with David Zagoria
Natanya Brooks
2025 graduate of the full-length Trial Lawyers College program
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: Authenticity with Natanya Brooks
Laura Schultes
2023 TLC graduate; employment-law specialist
Independent practitioner / employment law firm (as described in episode)
Episode: The Story Beneath with Laura Schultes

Hosts

Maren Chaloupka
Host and interviewer on the TLC Podcast
Ron Estefan
Host of The Trial Lawyers College Podcast

Reviews

4.2 out of 5 stars from 96 ratings
  • Fantastic and Eye Opening!

    By far the best podcast for trial lawyers. Shows the ingenious TLC methods and how they are practically used by TLC trial lawyers. Listening to these keeps me connected to TLC methods and makes me so grateful that I joined this community and have been lucky enough to attend so many TLC programs!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Danger4402
    United Statesa year ago
  • Great podcast for Trial Lawyers

    I’ve done one weeklong TLC event. Changed my perspective and outlook on my practice. I wish I had discovered this 25 years ago.

    This podcast is always on my listening list before trials and whenever I need some inspiration about our profession. Great interviews with great lawyers.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BayouB
    United States2 years ago
  • I’m so happy to have this resource and community

    I was certainly overwhelmed by the man formally known as Gerry Spence and what he did with his skanky wife.But after year I have finally let it go. Meanwhile, Rafe has done such a good job in communicating the difficulties that trial lawyers have had during the pandemic. Indeed, I believe there was a Judge in Brooklyn who had a line into Mitch McConnell as Vicki said. Anyway, I’m not gonna be the guy who dresses up in a duck suit, but I have learned so much from youse guys, as they say in Da Bro... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Marcellito
    United States5 years ago
  • Informative and inspiring. If you are interested in learning more about the method listen to this.

    I listen because I have been to the seminar and want to keep that feeling and the teachings fresh.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SR florida
    United States6 years ago
  • Very Disappointing

    I really wanted to like this podcast however listening to it was painful due to such poor production and sound quality. Inexcusably amateur!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    LixxieBag
    United States7 years ago

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Production quality varies; some episodes feel more polished than others.
Insightful, practical guidance from top trial lawyers.
The core interviews can feel promotional in places, depending on episode.
High-quality conversations on TLC methods and real-world impact.

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Solo to Shared with Monica Hartsock
Q: How did your practice evolve from defense to plaintiff work, and what core lessons did TLC teach you?
Monica explains that after years representing dealerships in defense, she shifted to consumer protection plaintiff work, using TLC tools like psychodrama to better prepare witnesses, collaborate with others, and think more creatively about trial strategy.
Transformed with Reshae Ridley
Q: What drew Shay Ridley to public defense work in Houston?
Ridley explains a twofold motivation: a long-standing commitment to public service from her military background and a mission to help the left-out and underserved, which aligned with her role in the Public Defender's Office.
Authenticity with Natanya Brooks
Q: Can you share a moment when TLC made a tangible difference in your work with a client or in court?
Natanya recounts driving to a client's house and prioritizing relationship-building over immediate legal theatrics, which led to quicker trust and a stronger, more effective attorney-client connection.
Authenticity with Natanya Brooks
Q: How has the TLC experience changed the way you practice law, beyond strategy?
She describes a shift toward listening, empathy, and presence, with deeper client understanding, more honest dialogue in court, and a sense that jurors respond to genuine care and personal storytelling rather than scripted performance.
Authenticity with Natanya Brooks
Q: What felt different about TLC compared with traditional legal education or trial training?
Natanya emphasizes vulnerability as the gateway to true connection, noting that TLC moves away from performative competence toward authentic, present engagement with clients and juries, which in turn enhances trial outcomes.

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What is The Trial Lawyers College Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on expanding trial advocacy through immersive TLC-methodology, with a strong emphasis on storytelling, juror connection, and authentic client representation. Guests range from public defenders and civil rights practitioners to plaintiff attorneys and psychodramatists, often discussing how psychodrama, front-loading mitigation, and narrative strategies shape courtroom outcomes. Notable threads include race and bias in trials, ethical duties under the Constitution, and how outcomes are influenced by human-centered storytelling, vulnerability, and community support. The format often blends practical trialtips with personal journeys, mentorship, and the communal TLC environment, making it valuable for listeners who want actiona... more

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3. Shay Ridley
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5. Naomi Jones
6. Lauren Checki
7. David Zagoria
8. Natanya Brooks

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