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The Trial Lawyers College Podcast

Trial Lawyers College
Trial Lawyers College
Psychodrama
Legal Education
Storytelling
Criminal Defense
The Trial Lawyers College
Trial Skills Foundation
Cross-Examination
Criminal Law
Medical Malpractice
Colorado
In Defense Of the Damned
Trial Advocacy
Personal Injury Law
Jury Verdicts
Immigration Justice
Courage To Ask
Texas
California
Traumatic Brain Injury

The Trial Lawyers College Podcast talks to leading attorneys, TLC board members, and faculty about the ideas and the issues that are affecting trial lawyers today. The TLC podcast covers courtroom strategy, communicating with jurors, connecting with clients, methods that drive success, balancing healthy relationships with a busy practice and more.

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What happens when trial lawyers stop performing and start connecting? In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Ron Estefan sits down with Natanya Brooks to discuss how the TLC method transformed not only her approach to trial work, but h... more

In this episode of the Trial Lawyers College podcast, Maren Chaloupka speaks with employment attorney Laura Schultes about how the TLC method transforms the way lawyers prepare and present employment discrimination and whistleblower cases. Laura shar... more

TLC President Maren Chaloupka sits down with psychodramatists Jody Anderson and Jeff Chapdelaine to explore the transformative role of psychodrama in trial work, healing, and human connection. Together, they discuss how psychodrama helps lawyers move... more

Oklahoma trial lawyers Brecken Wagner and Blake Lynch join the TLC podcast to talk about their journey from traditional courtroom advocacy to authentic, human-centered trial work through Trial Lawyers College. With humor, honesty, and unforgettable s... more

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Recent Guests

Laura Schultes
2023 TLC graduate; employment-law specialist
Independent practitioner / employment law firm (as described in episode)
Episode: The Story Beneath with Laura Schultes
Jeff Chapdelaine
Psychodramatist at TLC
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: The Human Connection with Jody Anderson and Jeff Chapdelaine
Jody Anderson
Psychodramatist at TLC
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: The Human Connection with Jody Anderson and Jeff Chapdelaine
Brecken Wagner
Attorney and co-founder of Wagner & Lynch
Wagner & Lynch
Episode: Finding the Story with Brecken Wagner and Blake Lynch
Blake Lynch
Attorney and co-founder of Wagner & Lynch
Wagner & Lynch
Episode: Finding the Story with Brecken Wagner and Blake Lynch
Hank Sherrod
Civil rights lawyer, TLC alumnus (2010)
Private practice, civil rights litigation
Episode: Fighting for the Voiceless with Hank Sherrod
Misty Nehring
Trial lawyer, TLC 2018 graduate
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: Rediscovering Connection with Misty Nehring
Zander Carrie
Criminal defense attorney who attended TLC's Trial Skills Foundation
Trial Lawyers College
Episode: Trial by Story with Zander Carrie
Andy Delaney
Plaintiff lawyer and TLC graduate, defendant's case opponent in the trial
Delaney & Associates (as described in episode)
Episode: Why Dignity Matters with Jack De La Piedra and Andy Delaney

Hosts

Lauren Chalukka
Host of The Trial Lawyers College Podcast
Ron Estefan
Host of The Trial Lawyers College Podcast
Rafe Foreman
Host of The Trial Lawyers College Podcast

Reviews

4.2 out of 5 stars from 95 ratings
  • Fantastic and Eye Opening!

    By far the best podcast for trial lawyers. Shows the ingenious TLC methods and how they are practically used by TLC trial lawyers. Listening to these keeps me connected to TLC methods and makes me so grateful that I joined this community and have been lucky enough to attend so many TLC programs!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Danger4402
    United States9 months ago
  • Great podcast for Trial Lawyers

    I’ve done one weeklong TLC event. Changed my perspective and outlook on my practice. I wish I had discovered this 25 years ago.

    This podcast is always on my listening list before trials and whenever I need some inspiration about our profession. Great interviews with great lawyers.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    BayouB
    United States2 years ago
  • I’m so happy to have this resource and community

    I was certainly overwhelmed by the man formally known as Gerry Spence and what he did with his skanky wife.But after year I have finally let it go. Meanwhile, Rafe has done such a good job in communicating the difficulties that trial lawyers have had during the pandemic. Indeed, I believe there was a Judge in Brooklyn who had a line into Mitch McConnell as Vicki said. Anyway, I’m not gonna be the guy who dresses up in a duck suit, but I have learned so much from youse guys, as they say in Da Bro... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Marcellito
    United States5 years ago
  • Informative and inspiring. If you are interested in learning more about the method listen to this.

    I listen because I have been to the seminar and want to keep that feeling and the teachings fresh.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SR florida
    United States6 years ago
  • Very Disappointing

    I really wanted to like this podcast however listening to it was painful due to such poor production and sound quality. Inexcusably amateur!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    LixxieBag
    United States6 years ago

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Listeners praise the authentic storytelling and the emphasis on humane advocacy.
Some listeners critique production quality or perceived promotional tone, but many still value the substantive insights and guest expertise.
The episodes are packed with practical trial techniques and real-world lessons from top lawyers.

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Talking Points

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The Story Beneath with Laura Schultes
Q: How does TLC preparation influence settlement versus trial?
By building a deeper, more credible narrative and a better grasp of client motivation, TLC preparation can push toward settlements that reflect true accountability and ensure the client feels seen and heard, even without a trial.
The Story Beneath with Laura Schultes
Q: Why is the human story more important than the dollars and cents in employment law cases?
Because the real harm often lies in psychological and relational damage—the sense of belonging, security, and dignity—which are not captured by financial metrics but are central to the client's life arc and recovery.
The Story Beneath with Laura Schultes
Q: What challenges did TLC help you overcome in the defense prior to going on offense?
TLC helped shift focus from the defense narrative to the client's lived experience, uncovering how subtle biases and pattern evidence shaped the case and enabling a more compelling, human-centered argument.
Fighting for the Voiceless with Hank Sherrod
Q: What was your experience like working with the documentary filmmakers on The Alabama Solution?
They earned my trust by demonstrating genuine care for the subject matter, being on-site at the prison, and valuing the truth over sensationalism. Their process—using inmate footage and interviews—felt authentic, and I believed they would honor Stevie's story and Sandy's perspective rather than skew it for drama.
Fighting for the Voiceless with Hank Sherrod
Q: What drew you to civil rights work and how did you get started in this space?
I started with early exposure to defense work for a local jail, then took on cases involving discrimination against children with attention deficit disorder, which shaped my focus on civil rights and school policy. Over the years, opportunities and a reputation for taking difficult cases led me to a lifelong path in this area.

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What is The Trial Lawyers College Podcast about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A rigorous series featuring seasoned trial lawyers, TLC faculty, and graduates who unpack courtroom strategy, juror storytelling, and client communication. Episodes span civil rights, immigration, medical malpractice, nursing home cases, and high-stakes trials, with a strong emphasis on authentic storytelling, human-centered advocacy, and applying Trial Lawyers College training to real-world litigation. A notable thread is the focus on how TLC methods shape mindset, cross-examination, sentencing advocacy, and handling difficult topics with empathy, often illustrated through high-profile cases and collaborative seminars. The show is likely especially valuable for practitioners seeking practical, narrative-driven tactics and professional grow... more

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4. Brecken Wagner
5. Blake Lynch
6. Hank Sherrod
7. Misty Nehring
8. Zander Carrie

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