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The Protocol

The New York Times
Dutch Protocol
Transgender Healthcare
Gender Dysphoria
Puberty Blockers
Transgender Youth
Peggy Cohen-Ketness
Regulations On Healthcare
Political Climate
Netherlands
Youth Medical Protocols
Gender Affirmation Therapy
Medical Treatment
Ohio
Transgender Medical Treatment
WPATH
Social Media
Transgender Care
Gender Identity Development Service
Trump Administration
Supreme Court

A six-part podcast exploring the story of medical treatment for transgender young people — how the care began, the lives it changed, and the legal and political fights that could end it in the United States.

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State bans are enacted. The Supreme Court is poised to weigh in. President Trump declares that there are only two genders and threatens to withhold federal funds from hospitals that provide pediatric gender treatments. We hear from kids, parents and ... more

The heated debate is not limited to the U.S. In England, a pediatrician tasked with figuring out how the country’s health care system should provide the care finds that the evidence is “remarkably weak.” One major medical group argues that’s missing ... more

A small Midwestern gender clinic gets consumed by a growing political fight when a whistleblower goes public. She had begun to see the treatments as harmful, and decided the political route was the only way to fix it.

In Boston, a psychologist helps set up the first youth gender clinic in the U.S., adapting the Dutch approach. Across the country, a rising star in the field questions their methods. Meanwhile, demand increases worldwide as the types of patients seek... more

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Recent Guests

Scott Leibowitz
Pediatric gender clinic leader in Ohio
Columbus Children's Hospital
Episode: The Now
Laura Edwards Leiper
Trainer of Scott Leibowitz at the first youth gender clinic in the US
Episode: The Now
Dr. Hilary Cass
Chair of the Independent Review into Services for Gender Questioning Young People and former president of the Royal College of Pediatrics and Child Health.
NHS England
Episode: The Review
Dr. Marcy Bowers
President of WPATH and a well-known surgeon in trans medicine, recognized for developing leading techniques in gender-affirming surgery.
WPATH
Episode: The Review
Dr. Jo Olson-Kennedy
Researcher leading one of the largest longitudinal studies on psychological outcomes from puberty blockers.
Not specified in the transcript
Episode: The Review
Dr. Joe Olson Kennedy
Faculty member at Children's Hospital Los Angeles specializing in adolescent and young adult medicine
Children's Hospital Los Angeles
Episode: The American Approach
Annelieu de Vries
A key figure in developing the Dutch Protocol for treating transgender youth
Amsterdam Clinic
Episode: The Gender Kids
Peggy Cohen-Ketness
Clinical psychologist who researched outcomes of transgender patients and developed treatment protocols.
Episode: The Beginning
Azeen Gureshi
Science and gender reporter
The New York Times
Episode: Introducing ‘The Protocol’

Hosts

Azeem Gureshi
Host and Co-host with expertise in gender politics and medical treatments, also a Science and gender reporter.
Austin Mitchell
Producer and host with ties to The New York Times.

Reviews

3.9 out of 5 stars from 563 ratings
  • Why no interviews with trans youth?

    For a podcast all about healthcare for trans youth, it's telling that no trans youth voices are included.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    Kaldari
    United States21 days ago
  • We can’t shut down research

    The podcast highlights important / notable voices in the field. Hard to listen to if you have a strong PoV on either side, as you’ll think one side gets too much air time.

    One thing is glaringly clear and unavoidable: there is a critical need for continued research in this field. Over the course of decades that research has been stopped and started due to the political environment. Sadly, this critical research is being shutdown right now by political winds.

    Apple Podcasts
    4
    Erik Howell
    United States22 days ago
  • A great overview of this necessary debate

    This is a great well balanced series that captures the strengths and weaknesses of both those for and against childhood transition. The Cass review really talks to the ideological black hole of the lack of any evidence to support early transition. It’s not against transition, just cautious. A nice series to tell the story.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    recoil
    Australia22 days ago
  • NYT is waking up from woke?

    Not half bad. They grill the whistle blower and also don’t let Marcy Bowers off the hook. Interesting and down the middle. I’m pretty sure it will drive the close minded extremists on left and the right equally totally nuts - thank you to the 1 star reviews that prove my point.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mag 101
    Canada24 days ago
  • Terrible

    The New York Times is terrible on this issue! They left out so many important things and didn’t offer anything new.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    TJ_789
    United Statesa month ago

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The American Approach
Q: Can you tell me about your own work here? When did you actually start providing this care?
Dr. Jo Olson Kennedy discussed how her clinic began providing gender care in conjunction with existing youth programs, emphasizing the urgent needs of patients.
The American Approach
Q: What was your sense of how they were approaching things?
Laura observed a shift in approaches toward treating transgender youth, emphasizing a more affirming model that listened to children's needs rather than relying heavily on extensive assessments.
The Now
Q: What do you think of that statement?
Scott emphasizes that suicidality among transgender youth is complex and should not be simplified to legislative actions without considering support structures.
The Now
Q: Can you sort of map out sort of what that year was like, like what was happening and how that was affecting you and your patients in the clinic?
Scott talks about the emotional toll on his patients and families as legislative changes loomed, with increased anxiety and urgency around treatment.

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The content explores the evolving landscape of medical treatment for transgender youth, showcasing the personal narratives and experiences of individuals affected by legal and political controversies surrounding gender-affirming care in the United States. Significant discussions center around critical themes such as the impact of regulations on young patients' access to care, the historical context of medical protocols like the Dutch Protocol, emerging psychological research, and the growing tensions in the political arena regarding healthcare rights. This podcast provides a unique blend of deeply personal stories and expert insights, illustrating the multifaceted issues transgender youth and their families face while navigating this comple... more

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1. Scott Leibowitz
2. Laura Edwards Leiper
3. Dr. Hilary Cass
4. Dr. Marcy Bowers
5. Dr. Jo Olson-Kennedy
6. Dr. Joe Olson Kennedy
7. Annelieu de Vries
8. Peggy Cohen-Ketness

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