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The Pastor Theologians Podcast

The Center for Pastor Theologians
Theology
Preaching
Pastoral Ministry
Christianity
Pastoral Care
Theological Education
Evangelicalism
Prayer
Tim Keller
Holiness
Education
Discipleship
Gospel
Kingdom Politics
Christian Theology
Peace
Covenant Theology
Rest
Culture
Pastoral Identity Crisis

A theology podcast for the church. The pastor theologians podcast consists of conversations and teaching resources at the intersection of theological scholarship and life and ministry in the local church. The vision for this show is to help equip pastors to be theologians for today’s complex world.

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Latest Episodes

A short bonus conversation with CPT fellow Matthew LaMaster on a book that has influenced his preaching ministry and his aspiration to write his sermons six months before they are preached.

In this episode of the CPT Podcast, Matt Lamaster discusses his path into pastoral ministry, from his upbringing in evangelical churches to serving as a pastor in rural Maine. He reflects on the challenges of his first pastorate, the lessons he learn... more

Joel Lawrence sits down with Rich Kidd of Mission Leadership to discuss the changing landscape of pastoral leadership. Drawing from years of experience in executive search and ministry, Kidd reflects on the growing need for shepherds, not just speake... more

A short bonus episode where CPT fellow Joey Sherrard shares discusses St. Augustine's important book, On Christian Teaching.

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Recent Guests

Rich Kidd
Managing partner of Mission Leadership
Mission Leadership
Episode: Finding Faithful Pastors | Rich Kidd
Jonathan Griffiths
Pastor in Ottawa, Canada; author of Gathered for Good
Metropolitan Bible Church, Ottawa; author
Episode: Jonathan Griffiths | Gathered for Good
Matt Erickson
Senior Pastor at East Brook Church, Milwaukee; CPT fellow and author
East Brook Church; Center for Pastor Theologians
Episode: The Pastor as Gardener | Matt Erickson
Nicole Martin
Chief Operating Officer at Christianity Today and author
Christianity Today
Episode: Preaching as Theology | Nicole Martin (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 10)
K. Edward Copeland
Senior Pastor of New Zion Baptist Church
New Zion Baptist Church
Episode: Political Movements, Social Change, and the Preacher | Ed Copeland (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 7)
Ahmi Lee
Author, consultant for ministries and nonprofits, and former professor at Fuller Theological Seminary.
Fuller Theological Seminary
Episode: Who Is Preaching For? | Ahmi Lee (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 5)
Jonathan Bailes
Senior Associate Rector and Canon Theologian of Christ Church Cathedral in Plano, Texas, with an MDiv from Beeson Divinity School and a PhD from Boston College.
Christ Church Cathedral
Episode: The Sermon, Discipleship, and the Life of the Church | Jonathan Bailes (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 4)
Paul Hoffman
Senior Pastor, Evangelical Friends Church, co-author of Preaching to a Divided Nation
Evangelical Friends Church
Episode: Preaching for Theological Formation | Paul Hoffman (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 3)
Jim Samra
Minister and Senior Pastor of Calvary Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan
Calvary Church
Episode: Keep Careful Watch on Your Life | Jim Samra (Preaching and the Pastor Theologian Episode 2)

Hosts

Zach Wagner
Host of the CPT Podcast
Joel Lawrence
Co-host of The Pastor Theologians Podcast
Matt Kim
Co-host of The Pastor Theologians Podcast; Co-host and educator

Reviews

4.8 out of 5 stars from 117 ratings
  • Bridging the gap of academics and pastoring

    Perhaps I like it since they feel like they’re speaking directly to me. I have an MDiv degree but feel like I have so much to learn before moving into full-time ministry. The Center for Pastor Theologians (CPT) exists to equip pastors to be theologians for today’s complex world. If nothing else, this has helped me grow in humility and in recognition of how many books I still wish to read!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    AndrewNoble14
    Canada4 years ago
  • So disappointed

    I so wanted to listen, but then heard it start with the bravado for Dan and the comment on celebrity pastors. That was an immediate turn off. That’s one of the many problems of American evangelism today..the desire to be a celebrity! So sad they’d go there

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    dobnwob
    United States4 years ago
  • Excellent Podcast

    CPT content has been vital in my sense of calling and vocation, and I don’t know of any other organization speaking about the ecclesial theologian enterprise as clearly, compellingly, and consistently as the CPT. I couldn’t recommend the podcast more.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    cmrolling
    United States4 years ago
  • Good stuff

    Good stuff

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Gwishnew3
    United States4 years ago
  • Thanks

    Thank you for helping me sort through the internal struggle; I have had growing in my spirit over the last decade. In attempts to talk with others or find a church where I believed I was on the same page. I’m still bewildered, but feel reinsured that I’m not alone.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    supercalifablous
    United States5 years ago

Listeners Say

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- Listeners appreciate the blend of academic rigor and practical ministry, with many saying it clarifies vocation and calling.
- Some critique of “celebrity pastor” culture recurring in comments.
- Broad praise for rigorous, thoughtful theology anchored in pastoral practice.
- Guests are seen as credible, church-centered voices that bridge scholarship and ministry.

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BONUS | Joey Sherrard on Books and Preaching
Q: So talk to us a bit about maybe a couple of the themes.
The four books in Teaching Christianity center on interpreting Scripture, with the first and fourth books offering especially helpful themes: the hermeneutical end of pastoral work and the idea that preaching should aim to teach, delight, and persuade. This approach balances understanding with beauty and practical application in ministry.
Jonathan Griffiths | Gathered for Good
Q: Why pursue a PhD, and how has it influenced your ministry in Ottawa?
He explains that the PhD was chosen to deepen biblical understanding and teaching, enabling him to mentor others and lead at a seminary level while serving as a pastor. He stresses formation over credentials and highlights how academic work reshapes ministry practice.
The Pastor as Gardener | Matt Erickson
Q: Can you summarize the core structure of your book and how it ties to the gardener metaphor?
The book centers on Jesus as the gardener, then examines four aspects—context, soil, community, and practices—before addressing seasons and finally hope, arguing that pastoral work should be grounded in a generational, hopeful outlook rather than ego-driven leadership.
The Pastor as Gardener | Matt Erickson
Q: What led you to study English and how did that influence your path to pastoral ministry?
A Wheaton class with an English professor who argued some of the best pastors are English majors inspired Matt to pursue English at Wheaton, which sharpened his reading and communication skills and shaped his approach to ministry.
The Pastor as Gardener | Matt Erickson
Q: Tell us about your early life and how it shaped your sense of vocation.
Matt describes growing up in a PCUSA church with a strong emphasis on Scripture, his conversion in high school, and how intergenerational camp experiences and mentors helped move him toward ministry and music leadership, eventually guiding him toward seminary and ministry leadership.

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The show centers on the pastor-theologian movement, combining rigorous theological reflection with practical ministry in local churches. Episodes feature pastors who are also scholars or educators, discussing topics like preaching as theology, pastoral leadership, ecclesial identity, cultural engagement, and how to shepherd communities with humility, discipline, and scriptural grounding. Notable throughlines include the tension between scholarly depth and pastoral accessibility, the role of education in shaping ministry, and the call to cultivate multi-generational, gospel-centered leadership in a complex cultural landscape. A standout aspect is the clear emphasis on equipping pastors to think theologically and act pastorally, rather than p... more

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7. Jonathan Bailes
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