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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From na... more

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How does an artist outlast the industry machine to build a career entirely on her own terms? We sit down with GRAMMY-winner, ACM Vocalist of the year, and CMA Horizon Award recipient Suzy Bogguss to explore the evolution of a 40-year career that span... more

GRAMMY-nominated songwriter Amythyst Kiah has performed with Moby and Billy Strings and is a member of the supergroup Our Native Daughters. She joins us for a startlingly honest look at the "farce of surface-level success." After a label debut and a ... more

James Victore is an Emmy Award-winning artist and author whose work is held in the permanent collection of the Louvre and has been exhibited many times at MoMA (NYC). Victore has shaped the visual language of institutions from 'The New York Times' to... more

Singer-songwriter S.G. Goodman has earned critical acclaim, award nominations, and has worked with legends like Tyler Childers, Jason Isbell, and Jim James of My Morning Jacket. In this episode, we discuss the grueling physical and mental requirement... more

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Recent Guests

Amaythyst Kiah
Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter, part of Our Native Daughters
Our Native Daughters / Rounder Records
Episode: Amythyst Kiah on psychic sovereignty, success envy, and the self-improvement doom loop.
James Victoria
Artist, author, speaker, and creative coach
Episode: James Victore on radical integrity, questioning authority, and getting paid $20,000 to shut up.
SG Goodman
Singer and songwriter
Episode: S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Hunter Hayes
Multi-platinum, five-time Grammy-nominated singer, songwriter, and multi-instrumentalist
Self-employed musician/independent artist
Episode: Hunter Hayes on identity beyond music, high-efficiency routines, and radical vulnerability.
Butch Walker
Songwriter, producer, and guitarist
Self/Artist
Episode: Butch Walker on accidental careers, the ego-driven climb, and 'shut up and sing'.
Kathleen Edwards
Canadian singer-songwriter and former owner of the coffee shop Quitters
Quitters, Solo Music Career
Episode: Kathleen Edwards on losing perspective, winning the lottery, and 'Quitters'.
Damon Krukowski
Representative from the United Musicians and Allied Workers organization and founder of the band Galaxie 500.
United Musicians and Allied Workers
Episode: How UMAW is leading the labor movement to save the music industry.
Chely Wright
A pop country icon, author, and LGBTQ activist.
Episode: Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.
Jim Keller
Former member of Tommy TuTone and successful music manager
Episode: Jim Keller on the crash and burn, ego death, and the magic of jam sessions.

Hosts

Aaron Shafer-Haiss
Host focusing on artist-to-artist conversations and the craft and business of staying creative.
Michaela Anne
Co-host guiding conversations with a focus on creativity, artistry, and personal growth.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 127 ratings
  • Insightful look into the music industry

    As an independent musician , this podcast brings me a lot of joy and solace. Thanks for all the insight and wisdom . Worth a listen for any musician or music fan interest in a clear eyed look into the ups and downs of making a life in the arts .

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MP south atlanta
    United States2 years ago
  • What a Great Show!

    This is a great podcast! I am not a music professional - simply try to support them - but I really enjoy this podcast. I loved Mary Chapin Carpenter's interview during Season One and adored the recent episode with Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams. Thanks for your work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Wanttoleavereview2
    United States2 years ago
  • A wonderful listen for all long-time creatives

    I am very very grateful that this podcast has been created.

    For those working at creating a life in the creative arts - songwriting and music in particular - this is a lovely resource. Listening to these very honest interviews is like water for the desert crossing of keeping at it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alma Liisa
    Finland2 years ago
  • Love this podcast!

    Such a fan of this podcast and love its premise! I so appreciate the refreshing honesty and real conversations with amazing musicians and songwriters. Michaela and Aaron are wonderful and do a fabulous job asking the important questions, and exploring topics that are essential to creatives living balanced, fulfilling lives in our a post-Covid world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    XtinaMae
    United States2 years ago
  • Love it

    Great show. Thoughtful questions, good listeners. The Adia Victoria episode is *wow.*

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lil' Q
    United States3 years ago

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S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Q: Are you feeling that you're currently handling scarcity better now, or are you still making decisions from a place of scarcity?
It's an ongoing process; with a supportive team, I'm less driven by scarcity and more guided by a holistic view of the business, but I still catch myself slipping into old patterns and need to re-center.
Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.
Q: How are you today? And where are you creatively and physically?
Chely mentioned she is okay but wrestling with current events, and she feels gratified and enriched in her corporate role where her creative self is being fed.
Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.
Q: How have you balanced your personal style with client demands?
I hope to be hired for what I do, but often client demands can restrict creativity. The dream jobs are when clients let me be myself.
Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.
Q: How has being a household with two performing singer-songwriters navigated time and financial focus?
Kris explains that their roles have shifted over the years, especially after having a child. The family's financial needs have sometimes prioritized her husband's career, but they maintain open communication and understanding to balance their careers and family life.
Will Hoge on speaking up, creative responsibility, and poking the bear.
Q: How do the challenges influence your creative process?
He expresses that as he matured, his focus shifted towards wellness, which impacted his songwriting and artistic expression positively.

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What is The Other 22 Hours about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on the realities of sustaining a creative life, with candid conversations among working artists across music, visual arts, and storytelling. Hosts Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne pull back the curtain on the hustle, burnout, reinvention, and the non-glamorous moments that shape a lasting artistic career. Episodes frequently explore topics like artistic integrity, the economics of creativity, mental health, motherhood and parenting in the arts, and the role of community and independence in building sustainable careers. A standout trait is the guests' willingness to share personal challenges and practical strategies for balance, making it a valuable resource for artists, managers, and brands seeking authentic, career-fo... more

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3. SG Goodman
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