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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From na... more

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Richard Thompson was a teenager when he co-founded the influential British folk-rock band Fairport Convention. In the six decades since, he wrote “1952 Vincent Black Lightning” (one of Timemagazine's greatest songs ever written), was appointed an Off... more

Charlie Worsham has spent twenty years becoming the guitar player Nashville calls first. He’s played in the bands of Vince Gill and Dierks Bentley, toured with Miranda Lambert and Taylor Swift, and been named CMA Musician of the Year and 2x ACM acous... more

If you don't know Buddy Miller by name, you probably know his work. He joined Emmylou Harris's band, has worked with artists from Robert Plant to Patty Griffin, is a Grammy winner and a multiple-time Instrumentalist of the Year with the Americana Mus... more

Dan Wilson’s songs have shaped our collective cultural landscape, from Semisonic’s enduring anthem "Closing Time" to Grammy-winning collaborations like Adele’s "Someone Like You," The Chicks' "Not Ready to Make Nice," Chris Stapleton's "White Horse" ... more

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Charlie Worsham
Singer-songwriter, guitarist and Grand Ole Opry member; CMA Musician of the Year and two-time ACM acoustic guitarist of the year
Grand Ole Opry
Episode: Charlie Worsham on good-enough routines, relief vs revenge, and two slices of lonely carrot cake.
Buddy Miller
Legendary songwriter, producer, guitarist known for work with Emmylou Harris, Gillian Welch, Julie Miller, and many others
Session musician and producer in the Americana/Roots scene
Episode: Buddy Miller on going broke, staying grounded after the applause, and a $50 plastic guitar in the Hall of Fame.
Dan Wilson
Singer, songwriter, producer, visual artist; former Semisonic frontman
Semisonic
Episode: Dan Wilson (Semisonic, Adele) on rewriting career ambition, unlearning "should," and the agony of a #1 hit.
Nick Carpenter
Musician known as Medium Build
Musician
Episode: Medium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.
Lindsay Lou
Singer, songwriter, and front woman of Lindsay Lou and the Flatbellys
Lindsay Lou and the Flatbellys / solo artist
Episode: Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Madison Cunningham
Grammy-winning singer, songwriter, and guitarist
Musician (Ace, collaborations)
Episode: Madison Cunningham on letting go of work, shifting ambition, and subconscious burner accounts.
Jim James
Frontman of My Morning Jacket, solo artist, producer
My Morning Jacket / solo artist
Episode: Jim James on the illusion of arrival, healing the internal workhorse, and alien-mandated therapy.
Brandy Clark
Grammy-winning artist and songwriter; co-writer of Shucked music
Shucked (Broadway)
Episode: Brandy Clark on standing out, surviving self doubt, and friendship bracelets.
Maggie Smith
New York Times bestselling poet and author, renowned for Dear Writer, Peptox and Practical Advice for the Creative Life
Author
Episode: Maggie Smith on self trust, moving beyond scarcity, and name-brand cereal.

Hosts

Michaela Anne
Host of the show; musician and interviewer guiding conversations with artists.
Aaron Shafer-Haiss
Co-host and musician/producer; co-hosting conversations with artists.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 139 ratings
  • This podcast is a light!

    Wow. Parenthood, creativity, life’s real challenges, genius songwriters. This podcast has all of that and more. Listening felt like being nourished. Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Musos12
    United States19 days ago
  • Great podcast !

    I listen to this often, it’s engaging and inspiring every time.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Elisa Di Napoli
    New Zealand4 months ago
  • Insightful look into the music industry

    As an independent musician , this podcast brings me a lot of joy and solace. Thanks for all the insight and wisdom . Worth a listen for any musician or music fan interest in a clear eyed look into the ups and downs of making a life in the arts .

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MP south atlanta
    United States2 years ago
  • What a Great Show!

    This is a great podcast! I am not a music professional - simply try to support them - but I really enjoy this podcast. I loved Mary Chapin Carpenter's interview during Season One and adored the recent episode with Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams. Thanks for your work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Wanttoleavereview2
    United States2 years ago
  • A wonderful listen for all long-time creatives

    I am very very grateful that this podcast has been created.

    For those working at creating a life in the creative arts - songwriting and music in particular - this is a lovely resource. Listening to these very honest interviews is like water for the desert crossing of keeping at it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alma Liisa
    Finland3 years ago

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Fans value the balance of artistry with real-world business and life navigation stories.
Listeners praise the honest, unfiltered conversations and practical takeaways for sustaining a creative life.
Guests and hosts are commended for thoughtful questions and a calm, engaging interview style.

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Charlie Worsham on good-enough routines, relief vs revenge, and two slices of lonely carrot cake.
Q: Can you talk a little bit about that?
Asked how he manages career demands and his independent record, Worsham says success means creative collaboration and having a place in Nashville, not fame. His Opry invitation brought relief, while parenting and limited preparation time have taught him to accept a C or B, trust his professional instincts and focus on being present.
Charlie Worsham on good-enough routines, relief vs revenge, and two slices of lonely carrot cake.
Q: Was that a hard lesson to learn, or is it?
Worsham says it remains difficult to recognize burnout before it arrives. He traces a recent crash to a family situation at the end of a tour and describes using movement, trusted friends and therapy as parts of a toolkit for making crashes less damaging.
Medium Build on shadow work, hedges of protection, and fearing your barista.
Q: What is one thing you wish you knew at 18 when you were starting out?
Documenting the journey matters; I wish I had recorded more, taken pictures, and captured moments so I could reflect later and continue growing with a fuller archive of my work.
Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Q: How has touring with a child changed your approach to performance and writing?
She explains that co-regulation with her child, explaining plans ahead, and deliberate breath work help manage the overwhelm, and that short, focused writing or interviews when away can still feed the art while prioritizing the child.
Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Q: Have you felt any shift in your relationship to ambition or drive since becoming a mother?
She describes feeling less tolerance for things that don't serve the best good, while stating the drive to create remains, and highlights that motherhood has reframed priorities and time management rather than eliminating ambition.

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What is The Other 22 Hours about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with working musicians and creatives, exploring the real-life grind of sustaining a creative life beyond the highlight reels. Across episodes, guests discuss business mindset, longevity, creativity, sobriety, touring realities, licensing, and the balance between art and commerce. Notable throughlines include candid takes on ownership, collaboration ethics, and how personal growth, health, and community support shape resilient careers in the arts. The format favors practical stories and honest reflection over vanity metrics, making it a helpful resource for listeners who want actionable insights from seasoned artists while staying grounded in the realities of creative life.

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3. Dan Wilson
4. Nick Carpenter
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6. Madison Cunningham
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