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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From na... more

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Between late-night TV appearances and relentless album sprints, how does a working artist remain anchored in their own life? This week, we sit down with Nick Carpenter (Medium Build), whose catalog of raw, empathetic storytelling has earned him criti... more

What does it mean to witness ourselves transform? Singer-songwriter and bluegrass powerhouse Lindsay Lou, a frequent collaborator with artists like Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, and Sierra Hull, as well as a member of the Sweet Water Warblers and a fe... more

In a culture that demands creative output be loud, continuous, and universally relatable, what does it mean to plant your flag in the quiet, specific, and unpolished? Grammy-winning artist and guitarist Madison Cunningham joins us with raw generosity... more

As the frontman of Grammy-nominated rock band My Morning Jacket, Jim James has spent decades at the center of new alternative. His long list of achievements includes a solo catalog of five studio albums, recording as part of the supergroup Monsters o... more

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Lindsay Lou
Singer, songwriter, and front woman of Lindsay Lou and the Flatbellys
Lindsay Lou and the Flatbellys / solo artist
Episode: Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Madison Cunningham
Grammy-winning singer, songwriter, and guitarist
Musician (Ace, collaborations)
Episode: Madison Cunningham on letting go of work, shifting ambition, and subconscious burner accounts.
Jim James
Frontman of My Morning Jacket, solo artist, producer
My Morning Jacket / solo artist
Episode: Jim James on the illusion of arrival, healing the internal workhorse, and alien-mandated therapy.
Brandy Clark
Grammy-winning artist and songwriter; co-writer of Shucked music
Shucked (Broadway)
Episode: Brandy Clark on standing out, surviving self doubt, and friendship bracelets.
Rodney Crowell
Legendary songwriter
Episode: Rodney Crowell on letting go of recognition, 40-year songs, and talking to trees.
Mary Goshe
Grammy-nominated songwriter and author; discussed business mindset and recovery
Episode: Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.
Ruby Amam Fu
Singer-songwriter, activist, chef, and actress
Independent/Various projects
Episode: Ruby Amanfu on guarding your creative energy force field, the illusion of major-label financials, and cooking dinner for Willie Nelson.
Yancey Strickler
Writer and entrepreneur; co-founder of Kickstarter; founder of Artist Corporations and Metalabel
Kickstarter, Artist Corporations, Metalabel
Episode: Yancey Strickler on artist power, interdependent networks, and a zip file worth thousands.
Hrishikesh Hirway
Singer, songwriter, producer, podcaster, and TV host; creator/host of Song Exploder
Song Exploder
Episode: Hrishikesh Hirway on creative wholeness, strategic dilettantism, and surrendering to sandpaper.

Hosts

Michaela Anne
Host of the show; musician and interviewer guiding conversations with artists.
Aaron Shafer-Haiss
Co-host and musician/producer; co-hosting conversations with artists.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 137 ratings
  • Great podcast !

    I listen to this often, it’s engaging and inspiring every time.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Elisa Di Napoli
    New Zealand3 months ago
  • Insightful look into the music industry

    As an independent musician , this podcast brings me a lot of joy and solace. Thanks for all the insight and wisdom . Worth a listen for any musician or music fan interest in a clear eyed look into the ups and downs of making a life in the arts .

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MP south atlanta
    United States2 years ago
  • What a Great Show!

    This is a great podcast! I am not a music professional - simply try to support them - but I really enjoy this podcast. I loved Mary Chapin Carpenter's interview during Season One and adored the recent episode with Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams. Thanks for your work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Wanttoleavereview2
    United States2 years ago
  • A wonderful listen for all long-time creatives

    I am very very grateful that this podcast has been created.

    For those working at creating a life in the creative arts - songwriting and music in particular - this is a lovely resource. Listening to these very honest interviews is like water for the desert crossing of keeping at it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alma Liisa
    Finland3 years ago
  • Love this podcast!

    Such a fan of this podcast and love its premise! I so appreciate the refreshing honesty and real conversations with amazing musicians and songwriters. Michaela and Aaron are wonderful and do a fabulous job asking the important questions, and exploring topics that are essential to creatives living balanced, fulfilling lives in our a post-Covid world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    XtinaMae
    United States3 years ago

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Fans value the balance of artistry with real-world business and life navigation stories.
Listeners praise the honest, unfiltered conversations and practical takeaways for sustaining a creative life.
Guests and hosts are commended for thoughtful questions and a calm, engaging interview style.

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Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Q: How has touring with a child changed your approach to performance and writing?
She explains that co-regulation with her child, explaining plans ahead, and deliberate breath work help manage the overwhelm, and that short, focused writing or interviews when away can still feed the art while prioritizing the child.
Lindsay Lou on rebuilding the self, generational visibility, and 1am baby sets.
Q: Have you felt any shift in your relationship to ambition or drive since becoming a mother?
She describes feeling less tolerance for things that don't serve the best good, while stating the drive to create remains, and highlights that motherhood has reframed priorities and time management rather than eliminating ambition.
Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.
Q: How do you balance the business side with your creative process on tour and at home?
I switch hats between artist and businessperson, schedule silos for writing, and protect headspace to keep creativity intact while handling the logistical side.
Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.
Q: What was the catalyst for all of that—why did you start writing songs after getting sober?
The process of getting sober created space for reflection; songwriting became the primary way I understood myself and connected with others.
Mary Gauthier on the business mindset of an artist, art as recovery, and owning a clam shack.
Q: Was your recovery and journey in that kind of catalyst to start writing?
Recovery gave me purpose and led me to fall in love with writing songs as a way to process my life and find a meaningful path forward.

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What is The Other 22 Hours about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with working musicians and creatives, exploring the real-life grind of sustaining a creative life beyond the highlight reels. Across episodes, guests discuss business mindset, longevity, creativity, sobriety, touring realities, licensing, and the balance between art and commerce. Notable throughlines include candid takes on ownership, collaboration ethics, and how personal growth, health, and community support shape resilient careers in the arts. The format favors practical stories and honest reflection over vanity metrics, making it a helpful resource for listeners who want actionable insights from seasoned artists while staying grounded in the realities of creative life.

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3. Jim James
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