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An exploration of the creative life, lived in the in-between.

A sanctuary for the creative spirit in a results-obsessed world.

Moving beyond the highlight reel, hosts and working musicians Aaron Shafer-Haiss and Michaela Anne facilitate intimate, artist-to-artist conversations with renowned musicians, authors, visual artists and actors about the grit required to sustain a life in the arts. From na... more

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It is easy to look at a lifetime spent traveling on a tour bus in a famous family and assume the creative path was completely clear. We sit down with GRAMMY-winning singer-songwriter and guitar player Lukas Nelson ('A Star Is Born,' Promise of the Re... more

"We write to find out who we are." For over six decades, Judy Collins has been a pillar of American music: from GRAMMY awards, platinum records, and Oscar nominations, to writing 8+ books and landing her first No. 1 album at 80 years old.

But behind... more

What does it mean to treat music not as a commodity, but as a multi-generational way of life? We sit down with father-daughter side musicians Cranston and Annie Clements. Cranston, a cornerstone of New Orleans music history, has played guitar with ro... more

We often look at an artist's career through the lens of industry accolades: the tours, the streaming numbers, the awards. But what happens when you intentionally dismantle your creative ego to build something focused entirely on collective liberation... more

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Judy Collins
Legendary singer-songwriter and activist presenting a lifetime of art and advocacy
Self/Independent artist
Episode: Judy Collins on collective dreams, keeping the channel clear, and why artist's don't retire.
Cranston Clements
Guitarist from New Orleans, has played with Dr. John, Allen Toussaint, Irma Thomas, etc.
Musician
Episode: Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.
Annie Clements
Bass player with credits including Sugarland and Maren Morris; advocate for mothers on tour
Musician
Episode: Annie & Cranston Clements on musical lineage, tour-life advocacy, and 150 hits of acid.
Heather May
Singer-songwriter and social justice songwriter
Independent Artist / Activist
Episode: Heather Mae on social justice songwriting, the hedonic treadmill, and hearing god during a massage.
Matraca Berg
Grammy-nominated songwriter, member of the Songwriter Hall of Fame
Noted songwriter in country music
Episode: Matraca Berg on the Nashville Hit Machine, streaming economics, and getting busted by bro country.
Rob Moose
violinist and string arranger; known for playing on and arranging string parts for numerous indie rock and pop records
Episode: Rob Moose on the feast-or-famine mindset, songs as love letters, and remaining child-like.
Molly Tuttle
Grammy-winning guitarist, banjo player, singer and songwriter
Episode: Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Ray Benson
Frontman of Asleep at the Wheel, legendary Western Swing musician
Asleep at the Wheel
Episode: Asleep at the Wheel on artistic identity, the vow of poverty, and why the geographic imperative is BS.
Jeff Hanna
Singer, guitarist, founding member of Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Episode: Nitty Gritty Dirt Band (Jeff Hanna) on a 60-year touring career, records with hair on them, and the joy in folding laundry.

Hosts

Michaela Anne
Host of The Other 22 Hours; musician, songwriter, and co-host
Aaron Shafer-Haiss
Co-host; host of The Other 22 Hours; musician and journalist

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 133 ratings
  • Insightful look into the music industry

    As an independent musician , this podcast brings me a lot of joy and solace. Thanks for all the insight and wisdom . Worth a listen for any musician or music fan interest in a clear eyed look into the ups and downs of making a life in the arts .

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    MP south atlanta
    United States2 years ago
  • What a Great Show!

    This is a great podcast! I am not a music professional - simply try to support them - but I really enjoy this podcast. I loved Mary Chapin Carpenter's interview during Season One and adored the recent episode with Larry Campbell & Teresa Williams. Thanks for your work!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Wanttoleavereview2
    United States2 years ago
  • A wonderful listen for all long-time creatives

    I am very very grateful that this podcast has been created.

    For those working at creating a life in the creative arts - songwriting and music in particular - this is a lovely resource. Listening to these very honest interviews is like water for the desert crossing of keeping at it.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alma Liisa
    Finland2 years ago
  • Love this podcast!

    Such a fan of this podcast and love its premise! I so appreciate the refreshing honesty and real conversations with amazing musicians and songwriters. Michaela and Aaron are wonderful and do a fabulous job asking the important questions, and exploring topics that are essential to creatives living balanced, fulfilling lives in our a post-Covid world.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    XtinaMae
    United States2 years ago
  • Love it

    Great show. Thoughtful questions, good listeners. The Adia Victoria episode is *wow.*

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Lil' Q
    United States3 years ago

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Molly Tuttle on genre fluidity, artistic anxiety, and micro-managing travel routing.
Q: So we always like to start our conversations with just the real question of how are you today? And where are you physically and creatively?
I'm in Nashville with a chill day behind me—coffee in hand, newer interviews and a label meeting completed, and I'm feeling good, though schedule mix-ups reminded me how wild time zones and planning can be.
S.G. Goodman on scarcity mindset, manual labor, and the art of letting go.
Q: Are you feeling that you're currently handling scarcity better now, or are you still making decisions from a place of scarcity?
It's an ongoing process; with a supportive team, I'm less driven by scarcity and more guided by a holistic view of the business, but I still catch myself slipping into old patterns and need to re-center.
Chely Wright on strategic reinvention, the "pink haze" of losing everything, and 10,000 sunrises.
Q: How are you today? And where are you creatively and physically?
Chely mentioned she is okay but wrestling with current events, and she feels gratified and enriched in her corporate role where her creative self is being fed.
Max Wanger on listening to the lull, asking questions, and staying curious.
Q: How have you balanced your personal style with client demands?
I hope to be hired for what I do, but often client demands can restrict creativity. The dream jobs are when clients let me be myself.
Kris Delmhorst on invisible work, trusting slow seasons, and the myth of being seen.
Q: How has being a household with two performing singer-songwriters navigated time and financial focus?
Kris explains that their roles have shifted over the years, especially after having a child. The family's financial needs have sometimes prioritized her husband's career, but they maintain open communication and understanding to balance their careers and family life.

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What is The Other 22 Hours about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A thoughtful, artist-to-artist conversation in the music and arts space, focusing on sustaining a creative career amid doubt, burnout, and the realities of touring, collaboration, and ownership. Episodes frequently explore themes like creative ownership, vulnerability, lineage and mentorship, balancing personal life with professional ambitions, and navigating industry pressures without compromising integrity. Noteworthy angles include long-running collaborations, genre-fluid experimentation, indie paths vs. major-label dynamics, labor rights for musicians, and the interplay between art, business, and identity. Those considering listening for insider perspectives on navigating a life in the arts will likely find practical tips, candid storie... more

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2. Cranston Clements
3. Annie Clements
4. Heather May
5. Matraca Berg
6. Rob Moose
7. Molly Tuttle
8. Ray Benson

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