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The Making of One Nation

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One Nation
United States
Pauline Hanson
Civilian Control Of the Military
Donald J. Trump
Viktor Orbán
Stephen Miller
Nonviolent Protest
United States Immigration
Populism
The Supreme Court Of the United States
Immigration
Australian Politics
Chile
Loyalists In Military
Portland, United States
Unitary Executive Theory
Democracy
Islam

From a fish and chip shop in regional Queensland to the heart of Australian politics: this is the unlikely story of the country’s most controversial minor party. For thirty years, One Nation and Pauline Hanson have been ridiculed, dismissed and shut out. Now, no one is laughing. This is the story of how a party built on fear and grievance thrived, died and rose again to upend Australian politics. ... more

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The media made Pauline Hanson and One Nation, but now the party holds all the power.

It’s a perfect storm for democracy: a shrinking and cowering traditional media, the toxic algorithms of the unmoderated social media cess pit and the warped reality... more

It’s never held government, or even opposition, yet One Nation’s managed to exert an outsized influence on the public policy agenda.

From borders to migration, multiculturalism to Indigenous affairs, the far-right party has mastered mainstreaming an... more

We’d all like deeply considered policy and informed debate to be at the heart of politics, but unfortunately controversies and scandals tend to steal the show.

For most parties, scandals are disastrous: they lose seats, ministers and elections — but... more

You might remember this line in Pauline Hanson's maiden speech: "I'm afraid we're in danger of being swamped by Asians."

It wasn't the first racist comment she'd made in public and it certainly wasn't the last.

Over the years, her enemies have chan... more

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Ben Moffat
Political scientist and host/interviewer
Monash University
Episode: 2 | The Making of One Nation: define the enemy
Anna Brunowski
Documentarian with access to Pauline Hanson's inner circle, author and senior lecturer
University of Sydney
Episode: 1 | The Making of One Nation: enter the outsider
Lucan Way
Professor of democracy
University of Toronto
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Suppress the people
Joe Wright
International Affairs Editor at The Conversation
The Conversation
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Co-opt the military
Emma Shortis
Historian at RMIT University and Director of the Australian Institute's International Security Affairs Program
RMIT University
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Recruit an architect
Natasha Lindstad
Professor of Government at the University of Essex
University of Essex
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Manufacture a crisis
Paul Collins
Professor of law and political science
University of Massachusetts Amherst
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Beat the courts
Erica Frantz
Associate Professor in Political Science at Michigan State University
Michigan State University
Episode: The Making of an Autocrat: Hijack a party

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Justin Bergman
Host focusing on The Making of an Autocrat series; International Affairs Editor for The Conversation in Australia.

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The Making of an Autocrat: Recruit an architect
Q: What makes Stephen Miller different from other Trump aides?
He combines deep loyalty with a knack for communicating radical ideas in palatable terms, giving him sustained influence and access to the president.
The Making of an Autocrat: Hijack a party
Q: What turning points shift a party toward autocracy, and how does that affect democracy in the long run?
Turning points include elite acceptance of a leader's narrative, the erosion of independent institutions, and the deliberate use of media to redefine the party as a vehicle for one person rather than a platform for policy, which gradually diminishes checks and creates a pathway toward autocratic governance.
The Making of an Autocrat: Hijack a party
Q: You're an associate professor in political science at Michigan State University. What makes for a good strongman?
A good strongman is often described as someone who can sell a narrative that a decisive leader is needed to fix societal problems, while leveraging populist ideas to undermine trust in experts and conventional institutions, and who can bypass traditional party structures through new media to build personal legitimacy.
The Making of an Autocrat: Co-opt the military
Q: What did you make of that video when it happened? What did it say to you about this moment in American politics?
It indicated that there is a potential for the administration to push illegal or questionable orders to the military, given the purging of unbiased military lawyers and the loyalty structures surrounding the defense leadership.
The Making of an Autocrat: Suppress the people
Q: How do guardrails function in the US compared to Hungary?
Guest notes that American institutions have sometimes functioned to check power (e.g., the judiciary in Comey's case), but on other occasions they have not stood up, highlighting the uneven effectiveness of guardrails in preventing backsliding toward competitive authoritarianism.

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A rigorous, documentary-style examination of populist politics, with a strong emphasis on the mechanisms and strategies used by controversial parties and leaders to gain and maintain power. Across episodes, the show analyzes civil-military relationships, judicial independence, crisis framing, party co-option, and the role of media in shaping democratic norms. Notable strengths include in-depth scholarly context from political science and law experts, accessible explanations of complex institutional dynamics, and a consistent focus on how autocrats consolidate power in varied political systems. Potential listeners who enjoy analytical dissections of power, governance, and democratic resilience will likely find this show especially engaging, ... more

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