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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader G... more

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Summary Kara Maciel always knew she wanted to be a lawyer, and a high school trip to Washington, DC sealed the deal. What she didn't plan for was building her own firm. In this episode, the Conn, Maciel & Carey co-founder talks with Kathryn Rubino ab... more

Summary Iris Eytan didn't set out to become a criminal defense lawyer. She went to law school to help people as a mental health advocate, then followed her clients from shuttered psychiatric institutions into the jails and prisons where many of them ... more

Summary Gloria Park always wanted to be a storyteller. She just didn't expect to find that career in litigation. In this episode, the Susman Godfrey partner talks with Kathryn Rubino about growing up in a first-generation immigrant family, choosing l... more

Summary Shaun Ossei-Owusu didn't go to law school to become a lawyer. After a PhD in African American Studies at Berkeley and a fellowship at the American Bar Foundation, he wanted the technical language of law so he could translate what he'd already... more

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Recent Guests

Gloria Park
Partner at Susman Godfrey
Susman Godfrey
Episode: Biglaw Partner Dishes On Her Unique Path To Partnership
Shaun Ossei-Owusu
Professor of law at the University of Pennsylvania, author of Law on Trial
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Episode: What Nobody Tells You About Law School
Courtney Teasley
Certified business coach, author, speaker, criminal trial attorney
Self-directed practice and intellectual property efforts
Episode: The Link Between Financial Literacy and Social Justice
Laurie Avery
Partner at Perez Morris
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Episode: What It Takes for Women to Break Through in Litigation
Kelly Grigsby Jones
Partner at Perez Morris
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Deborah Farone
Founder of Farone Advisors and author of Breaking Ground, How Successful Women Lawyers Build Thriving Practices
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Tahir Amin
Author of Pharma Monopoly, The Battle for the Future of Medicines; CEO of the Initiative for Medicine, Access and Knowledge (IMAQ)
Initiative for Medicine, Access and Knowledge (IMAQ)
Episode: Medicine's Monopoly Problem
Nushin Sayfie
Judge, former chief judge of the 11th Judicial Circuit in Florida, probate judge
Florida judiciary
Episode: Building A Judicial Legacy
Molly Coleman
Executive director of the People's Parity Project
People's Parity Project
Episode: This Harvard Law School Grad Has The Progressive Answer To FedSoc

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Kathryn Rubino
Host of The Jabot, focused on the challenges women and underrepresented groups face in the legal industry; advocate for equity and strategic change in law.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 43 ratings
  • Excellent host with eclectic, informative content!

    Kathryn is a talented host who provides intriguing insights into all different aspects of the legal profession with a diverse array of fascinating guests who open up in response to her collegial and well-researched/well-thought-out questions!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LS&JAJ
    United States2 years ago
  • Insightful Questions

    Love this podcast! Kathryn asks sharp, thoughtful questions that help provide special insight into certain areas of the law and legal decision making.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Gydbjsidh
    United States5 years ago
  • Interesting Topics, Poor Sound Quality

    Was excited to listen to the latest episode, but couldn’t get past the annoying whistling sound in the background. This episode was not ready for prime time.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    ashgebs
    United States5 years ago
  • Excellent podcast

    Loved the conversation throughout, Jessica. Superb.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Alpeshsingh Thakor
    India7 years ago
  • Great podcast!

    Kathryn is a great interviewer and she has a great rapport with her guests. Highly recommend.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ShadowDx 64
    United States7 years ago

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Biglaw Partner Dishes On Her Unique Path To Partnership
Q: Was partnership always the goal, or how did that path unfold for you?
I focused on doing a really good job, learning everything about the practice, and over time observed opportunities pursued by senior colleagues, which led me toward aiming to have my name on complex briefs and ultimately being elected to partnership.
Biglaw Partner Dishes On Her Unique Path To Partnership
Q: Why did you decide to go to law school in the first place?
I wanted to tell stories and shape narratives, and I realized law would let me do that professionally, which drew me toward a litigation path.
What Lawyers Really Need To Know About Marketing
Q: What are the differences in how business development is approached at small, mid-size, and large firms, and how should lawyers adapt as their careers progress?
She discusses tailoring strategies to firm size, the importance of focusing on a few core practice areas, and the need for authentic, client-centered approaches rather than one-size-fits-all models.
What Lawyers Really Need To Know About Marketing
Q: What are some of the foundational aspects that big law is looking for from a communication strategy that might not be at the top of everyone's mind?
She emphasizes aligning marketing and business development with the firm's strategic goals, market expansion, client retention, and long-term value creation rather than short-term tactics.
What Lawyers Really Need To Know About Marketing
Q: I'm so excited to talk everything about legal marketing. And you're kind of an expert in that field, and I'm very curious. How did you find that niche for your career?
Deborah explains that her niche emerged from recognizing a real need in the market and leveraging her experience in public relations for law firms, which led her to focus on marketing and business development for legal practices.

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This show centers on the realities of navigating the legal industry as a woman, person of color, or member of underrepresented groups, with a focus on career strategy, work-life balance, and systemic change. Episodes often feature lawyers, policy experts, and educators who discuss organizing within the legal profession, reforms in criminal justice and health care law, entrepreneurship in small firms, and the impact of technology and AI on practice. Notable strengths include in-depth host-led conversations, practical career guidance, and a willingness to surface tough topics like bias, locker-room culture, and access to justice. The format tends to blend personal stories with actionable takeaways for listeners aiming to advance equity in law... more

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