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The Conversation Art Podcast

Michael Shaw
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A podcast featuring both one-on-one and three-way roundtable conversations with contemporary artists, dealers, curators, and collectors--based in Los Angeles, but reaching nationally and internationally.

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Nyack, New York-based artist Rob Strati talks about:

Living in Nyack, as far as its local arts community and proximity to NYC; his early artist years in San Francisco, including driving a cab for several years, and eventually getting into tech (sta... more

"To Post, or Not to Post….That is the Question"

In this pilot episode of The Intrepid Artist, the main question asked by a listener is whether sharing (or even having) one's social media plays an important role in grant and open call decisions.

A... more

Hunter College professor and author of The War of Art, Lauren O'Neill-Butler talks about:

Her 12 years at Artforum magazine, including its balance between advertising and hard-core art writing, and how her chapter on Fierce Pussy was written while... more

Writer and Frieze editor-in-chief Andrew Durbin talks about:

His book tour for "The Wonderful World That Almost Was," which has been hectic; how he became familiar with Peter Hujar's work initially, and why his and Paul Tek's legacies really took o... more

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Lauren O'Neill-Butler
Professor at Hunter College; editor and writer; author of The War of Art
Hunter College; Editor and Writer
Episode: Episode 388: Lauren O'Neill-Butler on Artist Activism, Artforum magazine and the seminal Project Row Houses in Houston
Andrew Durbin
Writer and Frieze editor
Frieze magazine
Episode: Episode 387: Peter Hujar and Paul Thek's "Wonderful World That Almost Was," with writer and Frieze editor Andrew Durbin
James Delbourgo
Professor of history at Rutgers, author of A Noble Madness, The Dark Side of Collecting from Antiquity to Now
Rutgers University
Episode: Episode 386- James Delbourgo on the 'Noble Madness' of collectors- from Charles Foster Kane to Norman Bates and others, and what Freud had to say about all of them
John Byrne
Professor of Useful Art at Liverpool John Moores University School of Art and Design; author of Useful Art: How Activist Artists Can Change the World
Liverpool John Moores University
Episode: Episode 385- Useful Art explodes what your sense of Art with a capital "A" is and can be, with John Byrne, author of "Useful Art- How Activist Artists Can Change the World"
Jim Dow
Photographer and lifelong art school teacher
School of the Museum of Fine Arts at Tufts University
Episode: Episode 384: Boston artist and lifelong art school teacher on photography and teaching in art schools for 46 years
Sarah K. Khan
An artist documenting immigrant experiences through food and community activism.
Episode: Episode 383- Sarah Khan: Documenting the Immigrant Experience
Robbie Conal
A legendary street artist and painter
Episode: Episode 382: Robbie Conal,from the studio to the streets--applying what you do best to what you care about most
Arleene Correa Valencia
Artist based in Napa, California, focused on migration and family heritage in her work.
Episode: Episode 381- Arleene Correa Valencia: From rural Mexico to the Napa Valley and back, fulfilling a family dream
Michael Collins
London-based photographer and art writer
Episode: Episode 380- London-based photographer and writer Michael Collins on the perils of photography, and art criticism, and why to give your viewers the benefit of the doubt

Host

Michael Shaw
Host of a contemporary art interview podcast; engages artists, curators, and critics in long-form conversations.

Reviews

4.5 out of 5 stars from 349 ratings
  • Great podcast!

    This is a great podcast for anyone interested in the art world, behind the scenes of galleries, curators, museums, and artists and their creative process and journey.

    The one on one interviews are engaging, insightful and Michael has a gift for conversation. I thoroughly enjoy his efforts to share the art world and hope he has much success with the podcast and his art as well.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Mosaic96749
    United Statesa year ago
  • My favorite

    The Conversation is my favorite of the art oriented podcasts that I listen to. The interviewer is genuine and genuinely interested in learning about those that he’s talking with. Really informative and of-the-moment. On the other hand, the conversation doesn’t come off as trendy...in a good way. The episodes are varied and unbiased with artists coming from different walks of life. They’re not all from the same school for example. Talking about how artists afford life lately is an important topic... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    worthyette
    United States2 years ago
  • Beware of “Practice” Bleeps

    The censoring of the word “practice” is done so loudly that I literally almost lost control of my car when changing lanes one time. I have stopped listening to the podcast because it became unsafe while driving. The guests are great, but seriously, this is about art, you don’t need to censor a word you don’t like. Let people express themselves and use the words they want and let us be the judge as to whether it was “academic” or not. So dumb.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Deexz
    United States2 years ago
  • Another great conversation

    A wonderful conversation with author of the book “ The Death of the Artist”; I only wish it had been longer! So much food for thought. Michael hits on many topics that are important to artists trying to navigate the ever-changing art world. I will definitely read this book.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    mobylino
    United States4 years ago
  • Great art podcast

    I am not an artist, I just enjoy art. Michael brings on a variety of thoughtful guests who have some fascinating insights into the art world. I look forward to hearing more! For those starting out, the Hannah Wohl episodes are incredible!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Jibbliediggs
    United States4 years ago

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The show is valued for its long-form, nuanced discussions rather than quick takes or hype.
Listeners praise the depth and candor of conversations, appreciating coverage of money, access, and privilege in art.
Guests are consistently insightful and the host asks thoughtful, sometimes uncomfortable questions that reveal practical realities of the art world.

Chart Rankings

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#164
United States/Arts/Visual Arts
Apple Podcasts
#49
Canada/Arts/Visual Arts
Apple Podcasts
#204
Australia/Arts/Visual Arts
Apple Podcasts
#241
Germany/Arts/Visual Arts
Apple Podcasts
#30
Mexico/Arts/Visual Arts
Apple Podcasts
#37
South Korea/Arts/Visual Arts

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Episode 389: The Conversation presents: The Intrepid Artist, an Advice podcast- Episode 1, with co-host Arleene Correa Valencia
Q: How important is social media like Instagram really, especially for open calls and residencies?
The guest discusses that social media should reflect how the artist thinks about the world and their practice, rather than just chasing followers; authenticity and thoughtful context are more valuable to juries than sheer numbers.
Episode 385- Useful Art explodes what your sense of Art with a capital "A" is and can be, with John Byrne, author of "Useful Art- How Activist Artists Can Change the World"
Q: How does useful art differ from traditional social engagement or activism?
Useful art emphasizes use value and real-world impact over mere representation, aiming to operationalize social change and engage diverse communities beyond conventional silos of expertise.
Episode 385- Useful Art explodes what your sense of Art with a capital "A" is and can be, with John Byrne, author of "Useful Art- How Activist Artists Can Change the World"
Q: What is the future of museums and galleries in the context of useful art?
The guest argues museums and galleries should be places that can host useful art without being trapped by capital, suggesting modes of engagement that are community-centered and use value-focused, rather than purely aesthetic, experiences.
Episode 384: Boston artist and lifelong art school teacher on photography and teaching in art schools for 46 years
Q: Is there a notable difference between the experiences you had teaching in the Ivy League versus at the museum school?
Jim shared an anecdote comparing student evaluations at Harvard to the museum school, highlighting the challenge of asking students to judge art without background information due to their previously established evaluation-heavy experiences.
Episode 384: Boston artist and lifelong art school teacher on photography and teaching in art schools for 46 years
Q: How much, if any, of those 46-ish years were teaching the things you just described versus crits, etc.?
Jim Dow aimed to make teaching as creative as possible, gradually transitioning to focusing on creative delivery rather than standard academic delivery, benefitting from using technology in the classroom.

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The show centers on in-depth conversations with artists, curators, writers, collectors, and educators about contemporary art, its systems, and the social through-lines affecting making and presenting work. Guests often explore activism, funding, institutions, and the art market, with thoughtful scrutiny of how art moves—from studio practice to galleries, museums, and public discourse. A recurring strength is room-full of long-form, candid discussions that balance historical context with present-day questions about access, legitimacy, and value in the art world. The format tends to attract listeners who want nuanced, well-researched perspectives from practitioners and critics, including debates over authenticity, labor, and community engagem... more

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2. Andrew Durbin
3. James Delbourgo
4. John Byrne
5. Jim Dow
6. Sarah K. Khan
7. Robbie Conal
8. Arleene Correa Valencia

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