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The Contrarians with Adam and Adir

Adam Schwab and Adir Shiffman
Australia
Luxury Escapes
Atlassian
Tesla
Temple & Webster
Vanta
Qantas
Canva
Netwealth
Cettire
Covid-19
Openai
Nvidia
Netflix
Work From Home
Chemist Warehouse
Artificial Intelligence
Jellycat
Guzman Y Gomez
Inflation

Get the fearless truth about start-ups and corporate Australia from guys that give you the hard facts, not the company line. Hear Luxury Escapes co-founder Adam Schwab and Catapult Sports Exec Chairman Adir Shiffman provide the inside word on the biggest stories in business with a contrarian take from the guys who sit on both sides of the table. New episodes dropping weekly.

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The guys discuss KPMG’s spectacular implosion, Labor’s chaotic CGT Reverse Ferret, the ATO’s small business scare campaign, Big W’s surprisingly good AI chatbot, Ferrari’s electric future, and Adore Beauty’s brutal market reality.

00:00 - LinkedIn ... more

Happy Saturday! It’s time for another round of listener Q&A.

This week you asked:

💉 As GLP-1s and peptides become more widespread, which industries could be most affected over the next decade?

🤖 Why are younger people becoming so angry about ... more

00:00 - Catapult Powering the World Cup

04:00 - EOFY Sales

08:45 - Taxis + Uber Decision

18:00 - Sleep Question

23:00 - $1 Trillion vs $1 Billion

27:00 - Robyn Denholm

40:00 - CGT Changes + Impact on Startups

52:45 - VicRoads Fail

54:15 - Xero

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Happy Saturday! We’re back with another round of listener Q&A.

This week you asked:

🏨 Why can some aggregators undercut the original seller, while others charge customers a premium?

📈 Has the budget changed the incentives for investors taking... more

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Matt Heine
CEO of Netwealth
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Episode: Matt Heine on How Netwealth Became One of Australia’s Greatest Tech Success Stories
Frank Greef
Founder/entrepreneur, RealBase and Kinso AI founder, charity fundraiser
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Episode: Meme Hero Frank Greeff Joins Pod, OpenAI vs Anthropic, Clare O'Neil's Budget Slip, SexyLand get Hot, CTM Crumbles and is SpaceX the Most Overvalued IPO Ever?
Will Hayward
Co-founder and CEO of The Contrarians Co.
The Contrarians Co.
Episode: New Contrarians CEO, Boomer's Budget, GYG Comes Home, EY Parental Leave Rort
Scott from Terram Capital
Representative from Terram Capital
Terram Capital
Episode: New Contrarians CEO, Boomer's Budget, GYG Comes Home, EY Parental Leave Rort
Steve Baxter
Beaton's Own Venture Partners founder; veteran VC and Shark Tank personality
Beaton's Own Venture Partners
Episode: Shark Tank Star and VC Steve Baxter, Mythos, Will Quantum Kill Encryption, Pope Double Standards, Data Centres, Glydways and Hermes
Scott Middleton
Australian investor described as the Australia's Warren Buffett
Carma investor
Episode: Special Bonus: Carma Deep Dive with special guest, Scott Middleton
Ward Williams
Guest who asked about Australian identity
Episode: Ask Us Anything: Should fuel price surges mean people work from home? + What does it mean to be Australian?
Perry Williams
Colleague at The Australian, co-author on a biography of Mike Cannon-Brooks and Scott Farquhar
The Australian
Episode: Rich List, Atlassian Crash, Seek Horrors, Operation Epic Fury, Biennial Disgrace, Councils Behaving Badly and Adir’s Great and Terrible Calls
Adrian Rima
Listener guest, asked about GYG pricing and market expectations
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Episode: Ask Us Anything: The dwindling radio industry + How did the market get GYG so wrong?

Hosts

Adam Schwab
Co-founder of Luxury Escapes; host with Adir; noted for contrarian, market-focused commentary.
Adir Shiffman
Co-host and Exec Chairman with a contrarian, investment-backed perspective; frequent industry and policy insights.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 214 ratings
  • Great content - delivery needs work

    Great content.

    But why do the hosts keep talking over each other so much? I had wanted to hear joe Aston talk but he could hardly get a word in!

    And I get that you are both well connected but the conversation descends into a **** measuring contest too often on who knows whom/what etc.

    Please interrupt each other less and keep up the great content.

    The content is really quite interesting but the delivery is grating.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    Trmta
    Australiaa year ago
  • A Must Listen for Aussie Entrepreneurs

    A must-listen for anyone in the Australian business scene. With a strong but not exclusive focus on Australian industries, Adam and Adir bring the unique perspective only founders and operators can offer. Their broad points of view, grounded in real-world experiences, offer insights you won’t get from traditional media. They cover everything from startups to larger legacy businesses, from private to publicly listed companies, and across a wide range of industries — from tech to retail. The in-de... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Robyward
    Australia2 years ago
  • Fantastic business insight

    Adam and Adir have a great synergy and provide a unique insight into a wide range of businesses and industries along with their views on many current issues happening both locally and internationally. Well worth listening.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    rodking
    Australia2 years ago
  • Behind the scenes

    Love the insights Adam and Adir provide to the business world, always educational, thought provoking and insightful. I also enjoy the friendly banter these guys have. Thanks A&A!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DC on the GC
    Australia2 years ago
  • :)

    :)

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    coolperson59
    Australia2 years ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Consistent, high-energy host dynamic with a clear Australian business perspective.
Banters and anecdotes add color but occasionally mute on-the-record insights.
Excellent mix of practical business lessons and big-picture market analysis.
Listeners value blunt, data-driven takes on startups and policy.

Chart Rankings

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Apple Podcasts
#91
Australia/Business

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Matt Heine on How Netwealth Became One of Australia’s Greatest Tech Success Stories
Q: How did the listing change daily operations and investor relations?
Listing brought greater discipline through quarterly reporting, expanded access to banks and institutions, and increased brand visibility, while allowing Netwealth to retain control as a family-owned business and accelerate growth.
Matt Heine on How Netwealth Became One of Australia’s Greatest Tech Success Stories
Q: What was the product actually to explain to people who never used it?
The product evolved from a basic online investment platform to a comprehensive advisor-focused technology stack that manages portfolios, reporting, and access to global asset classes, while enabling financial advisers to serve clients at scale.
Ask Us Anything: Should Australians consider leaving for Singapore or Dubai? + How should renters think about the latest budget?
Q: Why are non-residents exempt from CGT on non-property assets, and what policy implications does that have?
The exemption is argued to be a policy choice to attract capital; however, it creates a disparity where Australian residents face much higher taxes, potentially driving capital abroad and hurting domestic asset markets.
Ask Us Anything: Should Australians consider leaving for Singapore or Dubai? + How should renters think about the latest budget?
Q: How will the budget affect Daniel, a late-30s renter in Sydney with a young family, in practical terms?
It raises capital gains tax rates on new investments, reduces turnover and availability of rental properties, and makes it harder to find affordable housing while inflation remains high; overall it tightens financial pressure on renters.
Ask Us Anything: Should Australians consider leaving for Singapore or Dubai? + How should renters think about the latest budget?
Q: What is your one-word takeaway on the budget for a late-30s renter in Sydney?
A harsh assessment: horrific, with both hosts agreeing it represents a disastrous shift that undermines aspirations and imposes higher taxes on middle-Australia.

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Two veteran Australian business voices deliver high-signal, contrarian takes on startups, corporate Australia, policy, and tech. Across episodes, they dissect funding climates, government policy, market moves, and practical startup growth strategies, often pairing sharp analysis with candid anecdotes from their own entrepreneurial and investment experiences. The conversations frequently center on Australia's startup ecosystem, tax and policy shifts, industry dynamics, and the global tech and markets backdrop, making it useful for founders, investors, and teams navigating growth, policy, or alliances with large incumbents. A notable strength is their ability to translate complex macro topics into actionable, real-world guidance, with a fearl... more

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1. Matt Heine
2. Frank Greef
3. Will Hayward
4. Scott from Terram Capital
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7. Ward Williams
8. Perry Williams

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