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The Contemplative Pastor

Practicing the Way
Spiritual Formation
Discipleship
Pastoral Leadership
Confession
Community
Inner Life
Spirituality
Mortality
Catechumenate
Jesus
Emotionally Healthy Discipleship
Forgiveness
Church Around the Table
Rule Of Life
Pastoral Formation
Relational Spirituality
Transformation
Burnout
Leadership
Pastoral Crisis

For the pastor who longs to embody a less hurried, less overwhelmed, less CEO-like form of leadership, and to recover the ancient path of pastoring in the way of Jesus.

The Contemplative Pastor invites you into illuminating conversations with guides and sages on spiritual and pastoral formation, and offers guided prayers and reflections to help you sit with the rich wisdom of each episode.

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Latest Episodes

What if extending curiosity towards yourself was not just a path to a deeper understanding of yourself, but also of God?

In this episode, join Bryan Rouanzoin and Dr. Alison Cook for a conversation about faithfully tending to the three relationships... more

What does it look like when spiritual maturity, emotional health, and holy ambition exist together?

In this episode, join Jay Kim and Drew Hyun for a conversation about living “the mixed life” modeled by Jesus—one of contemplation in the inner life ... more

What does it mean to be a person who is attended to?

In this episode, join Bryan Rouanzoin and Jeff Hyun for a conversation about the potential for pain to become the place of our deepest formation. Jeff shares the story of being left by his mom whe... more

What if confession could be a place of healing, not just pardon?

In this episode, join Bryan Rouanzoin and Gavin Bennett for a conversation about the practice of confession—why we're afraid to embrace it, and the belonging that waits for us when we ... more

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Recent Guests

Drew Hyun
Pastor, founder, and author; president of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship
Emotionally Healthy Discipleship
Episode: Loosening the Grip of Ambition (Featuring Drew Hyun)
Jeff Hyun
Senior pastor of Living Hope Community Church and founder of Barnabas & Co.
Barnabas & Co.
Episode: The Pain You Don’t Want to Name (Featuring Jeff Hyun)
Gavin Bennett
Pastor and speaker focused on spiritual and pastoral formation
Episode: Getting Free from the Weight of Secrets (Featuring Gavin Bennett)
Beau Hughes
Pastor transitioning to church formation; formerly lead pastor at The Village Church Denton
Practicing the Way
Episode: Pastoring from the Ground, Not the Mountaintop (Featuring Beau Hughes)
Tara Beth Leach
Pastor and author discussed in-depth topics around contemplative leadership and caregiving
Episode: Paying Close Attention to Your Season (Featuring Tara Beth Leach)
Jess Gracewski
Pastor and spiritual director
Reality San Francisco
Episode: What Grows When We Stay (Featuring Jess Gracewski)
Glenn Packiam
Pastor and author; lead pastor of Rock Harbor Church
Rock Harbor Church / Costa Mesa, California
Episode: Discerning Weariness from Woundedness (Featuring Glenn Packiam)
Bill Dogterom
Emeritus professor at Vanguard University; spiritual director; pastor of pastors; longtime facilitator for pastors and leaders
Vanguard University; spiritual formation community
Episode: When the Yoke Doesn’t Feel Easy Anymore (Featuring Bill Dogterom)
Todd Pickett
Pastor and rector, Anglican tradition
Holy Trinity Anglican Church, Costa Mesa
Episode: Letting God Burn Away the Fantasy Self (Featuring Todd Pickett)

Hosts

Jay Kim
Host of the conversation and interlocutor in discussions about contemplative ministry and formation.
Bryan Rouanzoin
Co-host and primary host across discussions on formation and leadership rhythms.
Bethany Allen
Co-host and pastor contributing to discussions on contemplative formation and pastoral rhythms.
John Mark Comer
Pastor and author featured in discussions on spiritual formation and leadership rhythms.

Reviews

4.9 out of 5 stars from 113 ratings
  • Thank you

    Thank you for this podcast - it has been life-giving. I’ve never encountered a podcast I’ve found myself going back to in order to re-listen multiple times. This is a treasure trove. Sincerely grateful.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    shilltune
    United States7 months ago
  • Powerful and Beautiful

    This has been the most helpful resource I’ve found for creating and nurturing a spirit led, contemplative culture within our church! The wisdom, practical application and thoughtful/intentional reflections are both powerful and beautiful. I wait every week for a new episode to drop! Thank you so much for this podcast! Please never stop creating this kind of content! It’s so desperately needed for churches today navigating this current cultural moment.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LC@TheTable
    United States8 months ago
  • For Pastors Who Plan to Endure

    There are other fruitful and helpful ministry podcasts, and I enjoy them all. Yet this one is uniquely and focusedly about the beautiful calling of ministerial vocation and the surrender needed to live it to Christ. No church growth or leadership development, just a rich theology of pastoral work. I'll be revisiting this often.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Skiibojosh
    United States8 months ago
  • Really Helpful

    Really helpful content for pastors integrating spiritual formation into the life of our churches. Thank you!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    benshanks
    Australia9 months ago

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Pastors speak to a grounded, slower form of ministry.
High-quality discourse on spiritual formation beyond typical leadership talk.

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Loosening the Grip of Ambition (Featuring Drew Hyun)
Q: Is it possible to be emotionally healthy in pursuit of spiritual maturity and simultaneously ambitious, and how can leaders distinguish holy ambition from selfish ambition?
Hyun says mission and emotional health can coexist. He recommends attending to personal formation, prayer, close relationships, and honest feedback, so ambition can be driven by freedom and joy rather than a need to prove oneself.
Loosening the Grip of Ambition (Featuring Drew Hyun)
Q: Why is it true that we cannot be spiritually mature without pursuing emotional health?
Hyun says spirituality cannot be compartmentalized: love of God must be expressed in relationships. A leader's prayer, knowledge, or ministry achievements do not demonstrate maturity if people close to them experience defensiveness, rage, addiction, or unloving behavior.
The Pain You Don’t Want to Name (Featuring Jeff Hyun)
Q: What have you learned? It's like, man, I'm noticing this in myself. I probably need to find this type of friend person to be unhidden with.
Hyun recommends seeking a therapist, counselor, or spiritual director when dealing with grief and woundedness, and finding sages and companions for midlife transitions. He says the journey inward and toward the second half of life cannot be done alone.
The Pain You Don’t Want to Name (Featuring Jeff Hyun)
Q: What was that like on the other side of that reunion?
Hyun said the reunion unexpectedly brought a tidal wave of grief. He had expected to feel happy, but therapy helped him recognize that he was processing the childhood loss he had previously buried.
Pastoring from the Ground, Not the Mountaintop (Featuring Beau Hughes)
Q: How has navigating depression shaped Beau's approach to leadership and formational work?
Beau describes a journey from initial struggle and shame to a grounded, compassionate leadership style rooted in identity in God, ongoing therapy, and community support, which informs his patience, presence, and willingness to stay with people in pain.

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What is The Contemplative Pastor about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Conversations center on slower, more contemplative pastoral leadership, emphasizing interior formation, relational leadership, and the integration of spiritual practices into everyday ministry. Episodes frequently explore themes like resisting burnout, the tension between outcomes and presence, and the value of communal authority, solitude, and Sabbath rhythms. Notable twists include live-formatted conversations with well-known pastors and authors, a strong emphasis on practicing the ancient path of ministry, and practical guidance for implementing discipline, catechesis, and relational spirituality in local churches. Listeners are likely pastors and church leaders seeking steadier rhythms, deeper spiritual formation, and healthier leadersh... more

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4. Beau Hughes
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7. Glenn Packiam
8. Bill Dogterom

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