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Join CSIS’s Aalok Mehta, Director of the Wadhwani AI Center, on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions covering AI regulation, economic impacts, national security, geopolitics, and more. CSIS is a bipartisan think tank in Washington, D.C.

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This episode cross-posts a panel from the event "AI Agent Containment Failures: Technical Realities and Policy Responses," co-hosted by the Wadhwani AI Center and the Institute for Law and AI on August 24.

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This week, we cover updates from the ongoing cyber saga, including OpenAI's two-week pause on RL training and the cyber capabilities of Z.ai's latest model GLM-5.3. We also unpack Anthropic's move to add watermarks to text generated by Claude in comp... more

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In this episode, we're joined by Adrian Brown, founder and CEO of Windfall Trust, for a conversation about the economic impacts of AI.

Why the economic focus (00:58)

Capturing AI's impact in macro statistics (5:03)

Planning under uncertainty (9:44... more

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Join CSIS’s Aalok Mehta, Director of the Wadhwani AI Center, on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions covering AI regulation, economic impacts, national security, geopolitics, and more. CSIS is a... more

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Recent Guests

Adrian Brown
Founder and CEO of Windfall Trust
Windfall Trust
Episode: Planning for the AI-Powered Economy with Windfall's Adrian Brown
Bri Treece
Co-Founder and President of Fathom
Fathom
Episode: A Deep Dive Into IVOs with Fathom's Bri Treece
Hiroki Habuka
Senior Science and Technology Policy Fellow in Japan's Cabinet Office; Research Professor at Kyoto University
Japan's Cabinet Office; Kyoto University
Episode: Japan's Take on AI Sovereignty with Hiroki Habuka
Sean Mullin
Senior Fellow at the Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy, University of Toronto
Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy
Episode: Canada's Approach to AI Sovereignty with Sean Mullin
Austin Carson
Founder/CEO, SeedAI
SeedAI
Episode: Advancing AI Readiness with SeedAI's Austin Carson and Joshua New
Joshua New
Director of Policy, SeedAI
SeedAI
Episode: Advancing AI Readiness with SeedAI's Austin Carson and Joshua New
Kate Koren
Deputy Director for the Economics Program at CSIS, formerly at BIS
CSIS
Episode: White House Imposes Export Controls on Anthropic's Fable and Tech CEOs Join Heads of State at G7 Summit
Arun Gupta
CEO of NobleReach; advisor and educator with deep VC and policy ties
NobleReach
Episode: Bridging the Public-Private Tech Talent Divide with Arun Gupta
Matt Mand
Researcher at CSIS Wadhwani AI Center; podcast veteran
CSIS
Episode: Pope Leo Weighs in on AI and Trump Postpones Mythos-Inspired Executive Order

Hosts

Aalok Mehta
Director of the Wadhwani AI Center; CSIS/CSIS affiliates; leading AI policy discussions.
Gregory C. Allen
Policy expert on AI governance, geopolitics, and national security.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 207 ratings
  • Informative but…

    Probably the best AI podcast on policy / governance etc. Genuinely informative. However the host is a bit dominant and a bit ‘in your face’ with their knowledge and their credentials. Secondly there isn’t a lot of space for alternative perspectives and it’s all quite US centric. eg military AI is just accepted as a good thing.

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    Pjg364
    United Kingdom6 months ago
  • Decent Listen

    Interesting topics and solid content, but the host can feel a bit too overbearing at times.

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    Adam 9001
    South Africa10 months ago
  • Excellent

    Very well-informed discussions of U.S.-China tech competition, export controls, etc.

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    5
    swede_levov
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • A Must-Listen for Anyone Interested in AI Policy and Innovation

    This series is informative and deeply insightful. The discussions blend technical depth and policy analysis, making complex topics accessible to both experts and those new to the field. I enjoy its focus on the intersection of AI, national security, and geopolitic areas that are often overlooked in mainstream AI discussions by covering nuances of AI regulation, innovation, and the global implications of AI advancements and a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape. Gregory curates a... more

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High-quality, informed discussions at the intersection of AI policy and geopolitics.
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Host delivery is authoritative and the production quality is consistently high.

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Planning for the AI-Powered Economy with Windfall's Adrian Brown
Q: How does Windfall view the usefulness of historical precedent versus unique AI dynamics when shaping policy responses?
Windfall believes scenarios are helpful because they allow thinking across a range of futures without forcing a single narrative, and policymakers should avoid 'picking winners' by keeping options open and pursuing diverse levers.
Planning for the AI-Powered Economy with Windfall's Adrian Brown
Q: Do we have a good understanding of how AI is impacting the economy today, and should we still be preparing for potential futures even if the data is not clear yet?
The data on macro indicators like unemployment and wages isn't showing a clear AI-driven impact yet, but there is recognition that AI is being used in workplaces and that the diffusion across the economy lags model improvements; hence, it's prudent to prepare for multiple possible futures through scenarios and broad policy thinking.
A Deep Dive Into IVOs with Fathom's Bri Treece
Q: What are the biggest challenges in implementing IVOs in the near term?
Key challenges include creating a robust, interoperable framework across states and potentially nations, ensuring accountability and licensing for verifiers, and building demand signals from deployers and industry while maintaining rapid innovation.
A Deep Dive Into IVOs with Fathom's Bri Treece
Q: What exactly is an independent verification organization (IVO) and why is it needed?
An IVO is a third-party verifier that assesses AI systems against government safety standards, providing ongoing assurance across the lifecycle from pre-deployment to post-deployment, which helps build trust and accelerates safe adoption.
A Deep Dive Into IVOs with Fathom's Bri Treece
Q: Why did you and Andrew see a need for a new kind of AI policy organization that is not a think tank or an advocacy group?
We wanted a platform that could bring diverse voices from civil society, industry, and policy together to shape practical, scalable governance for AI, focusing on how society can transition with AI rather than just advocating for or against it.

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