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Join CSIS’s Gregory C. Allen, senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers, on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions regarding AI policy regulation, innovation, national security, and geopolitics. The AI Policy Podcast is by the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS, a bipartisan think-tank in Washington, D.C.

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In this episode, founding host Gregory C. Allen announces his departure from CSIS and introduces Aalok Mehta, Director of the Wadhwani AI Center, as the new host of the AI Policy Podcast.

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In this episode, we are joined by Wadhwani AI Center fellow Kateryna Bondar to discuss her recent reports on Russia's military AI, "How Russia Is Building a Sovereign Drone Ecosystem for AI-Driven Autonomy" and "How Russia Is Reshaping Command and Co... more

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In this special episode, we sit down with Katrina Manson, author of Project Maven: A Marine Colonel, His Team, and the Dawn of AI Warfare. We explore what drew Katrina to this story (2:31), trace the turbulent history of Project Maven and the obstacl... more

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In this episode, we unpack President Trump's new national framework for AI legislation (11:15), including reactions from experts and policymakers (39:44). We also discuss the indictment of a Super Micro co-founder for smuggling Nvidia chips into Chin... more

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Recent Guests

Aalok Mehta
Director of the Wadhwani AI Center
Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS
Episode: The Next Chapter of the AI Policy Podcast
Kateryna Bondar
Researcher at CSIS Wadhwani AI Center; expert on military AI and unmanned systems in Ukraine and Russia
CSIS Wadhwani AI Center
Episode: Unpacking Russian Military AI with Kateryna Bondar
Katrina Manson
Author of Project Maven, A Marine Colonel, His Team, and The Dawn of AI Warfare
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Episode: Inside Project Maven and AI-Powered Warfare with Katrina Manson
Owen Larter
Head of Frontier Policy and Public Affairs at Google DeepMind
Google DeepMind
Episode: A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Jai Ramaswamy
Chief Legal and Policy Officer, A16Z
Andreessen Horowitz (A16Z)
Episode: Andreessen Horowitz's Jai Ramaswamy, Matt Perault: AI Regulation & Innovation
Matt Perault
Head of AI Policy, A16Z
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Episode: Andreessen Horowitz's Jai Ramaswamy, Matt Perault: AI Regulation & Innovation
Greg Allen
Gregory C. Allen, senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers at CSIS
CSIS/Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies
Episode: Inside Anthropic's Standoff with the Pentagon and What It Means for Military AI
Jennifer Pahlka
Former US Deputy Chief Technology Officer, founder of the US Digital Service, and author of 'Recoding America'
Recoding America Fund
Episode: Jennifer Pahlka on Reforming Government for the AI Era
S. Krishnan
Secretary of India's Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology
Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology (MeitY)
Episode: Previewing India's AI Impact Summit with MeitY Secretary S. Krishnan

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Gregory C. Allen
Senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers at CSIS; leading AI policy discussions and governance-focused analysis.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 195 ratings
  • Informative but…

    Probably the best AI podcast on policy / governance etc. Genuinely informative. However the host is a bit dominant and a bit ‘in your face’ with their knowledge and their credentials. Secondly there isn’t a lot of space for alternative perspectives and it’s all quite US centric. eg military AI is just accepted as a good thing.

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    Pjg364
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • Decent Listen

    Interesting topics and solid content, but the host can feel a bit too overbearing at times.

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    Adam 9001
    South Africa6 months ago
  • Excellent

    Very well-informed discussions of U.S.-China tech competition, export controls, etc.

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    swede_levov
    United Kingdom8 months ago
  • A Must-Listen for Anyone Interested in AI Policy and Innovation

    This series is informative and deeply insightful. The discussions blend technical depth and policy analysis, making complex topics accessible to both experts and those new to the field. I enjoy its focus on the intersection of AI, national security, and geopolitic areas that are often overlooked in mainstream AI discussions by covering nuances of AI regulation, innovation, and the global implications of AI advancements and a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape. Gregory curates a... more

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    K5SCM
    United States2 years ago
  • I’m loving this

    Thank you

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    United Arab Emirates2 years ago

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Thoughtful, policy-forward discussions with a global perspective.
Professional production and accessible deep-dives into AI policy.
Engaging analysis of national security implications in AI.
Balanced coverage of innovation and regulation, with strong policy context.
High-quality guests and in-depth governance insights.

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Unpacking Russian Military AI with Kateryna Bondar
Q: Where did Russia stand in AI and autonomy in January 2022, and where are they now?
Russia started with limited autonomous AI integration and relied heavily on conventional systems; since then they have pursued AI-enabled C2, data-driven autonomy, and domestically developed components, but lag behind in language models and practical deployment, while pursuing pragmatic, bottom‑up improvements across systems.
Unpacking Russian Military AI with Kateryna Bondar
Q: What is the role of technological innovation in this conflict and how has it driven advancement on both sides?
Technology and conflict have influenced each other in parallel; Russia has been catching up by leveraging civilian and open‑source tools, while Ukraine's Delta ecosystem accelerated real‑time data fusion and joint situational awareness, creating a race where each side's needs shaped the other's tech development.
A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: Are there standards or frameworks that are particularly important in relation to regulation like the EU AI Act, and how do voluntary vs mandatory standards interact in practice?
Regulation often cross-references harmonized European standards, making some standards effectively mandatory when regulations are enforced. At the same time, many standards remain voluntary as they're developed, with regulation potentially becoming more durable as standards catch up to technology. This dynamic helps balance innovation with governance and safety.
A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: What are the main categories of standards, and can you give concrete examples of each?
The main split is between technical interoperability standards, which govern how ecosystems interoperate (like internet protocols, HTTP, and the agent-to-agent and universal commerce protocols), and process standards, which govern risk management, testing, and safety checks across industries. Both kinds are essential for a functioning AI-enabled ecosystem.
A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: Okay, so how do you explain standards and why they matter to somebody who's never thought about them before?
Standards are both formal, organizationally developed guidelines and informal best practices that create repeatable, interoperable ways of doing things. They enable different systems to work together, reduce complexity, and build trust by providing agreed-upon methods and metrics, which is crucial as AI becomes more pervasive.

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