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Join CSIS’s Gregory C. Allen, senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers, on a deep dive into the world of AI policy. Every two weeks, tune in for insightful discussions regarding AI policy regulation, innovation, national security, and geopolitics. The AI Policy Podcast is by the Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies at CSIS, a bipartisan think-tank in Washington, D.C.

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In this episode, we provide a detailed update on the Anthropic-Pentagon clash, including the Trump Administration's decision to label Anthropic "a supply chain risk" (4:17), the lawsuits Anthropic has filed in response (11:45), and what these lawsuit... more

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In this episode, we're joined by Owen Larter, Head of Frontier Policy and Public Affairs at Google DeepMind, to explore the often-overlooked world of AI standards and the role they play in shaping how AI is developed and governed. We discuss what sta... more

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In this episode of the AI Policy Podcast, Wadhwani AI Center senior adviser Gregory C. Allen is joined by Andreessen Horowitz Chief Legal and Policy Officer Jai Ramaswamy and head of AI policy Matt Perault for a discussion on a16z's AI policy agenda.... more

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In this episode, we break down the escalating Anthropic-Pentagon clash, including the best arguments for either side, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's ultimatum, and the potential consequences of designating Anthropic as a "supply chain risk" or invo... more

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Recent Guests

Owen Larter
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Episode: A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Jai Ramaswamy
Chief Legal and Policy Officer, A16Z
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Episode: Andreessen Horowitz's Jai Ramaswamy, Matt Perault: AI Regulation & Innovation
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Head of AI Policy, A16Z
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Episode: Andreessen Horowitz's Jai Ramaswamy, Matt Perault: AI Regulation & Innovation
Greg Allen
Gregory C. Allen, senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers at CSIS
CSIS/Wadhwani Center for AI and Advanced Technologies
Episode: Inside Anthropic's Standoff with the Pentagon and What It Means for Military AI
Jennifer Pahlka
Former US Deputy Chief Technology Officer, founder of the US Digital Service, and author of 'Recoding America'
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Episode: Jennifer Pahlka on Reforming Government for the AI Era
S. Krishnan
Secretary of India's Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology
Ministry of Electronics and Information Technology (MeitY)
Episode: Previewing India's AI Impact Summit with MeitY Secretary S. Krishnan
Saif Khan
Distinguished technology fellow at IFP, former member of the National Security Council
Institute for Progress
Episode: What Selling Nvidia's Blackwell Chips to China Would Mean for the AI Race
Marietje Schaake
Former member of the European Parliament and current fellow at Stanford's Cyber Policy Center
Stanford University
Episode: Unpacking the EU AI Act Code of Practice with Marietje Schaake
Michael Kratsios
Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy
White House
Episode: Unpacking the White House AI Action Plan with OSTP Director Michael Kratsios

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Gregory C. Allen
Senior adviser with the Wadhwani AI Centers at CSIS; leading AI policy discussions and governance-focused analysis.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 187 ratings
  • Decent Listen

    Interesting topics and solid content, but the host can feel a bit too overbearing at times.

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  • Excellent

    Very well-informed discussions of U.S.-China tech competition, export controls, etc.

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    swede_levov
    United Kingdom6 months ago
  • A Must-Listen for Anyone Interested in AI Policy and Innovation

    This series is informative and deeply insightful. The discussions blend technical depth and policy analysis, making complex topics accessible to both experts and those new to the field. I enjoy its focus on the intersection of AI, national security, and geopolitic areas that are often overlooked in mainstream AI discussions by covering nuances of AI regulation, innovation, and the global implications of AI advancements and a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape. Gregory curates a... more

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  • Clear, concise, and enjoyable

    I learn a lot every episode

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    United States2 years ago

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Thoughtful, policy-forward discussions with a global perspective.
Professional production and accessible deep-dives into AI policy.
Engaging analysis of national security implications in AI.
Balanced coverage of innovation and regulation, with strong policy context.
High-quality guests and in-depth governance insights.

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A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: Are there standards or frameworks that are particularly important in relation to regulation like the EU AI Act, and how do voluntary vs mandatory standards interact in practice?
Regulation often cross-references harmonized European standards, making some standards effectively mandatory when regulations are enforced. At the same time, many standards remain voluntary as they're developed, with regulation potentially becoming more durable as standards catch up to technology. This dynamic helps balance innovation with governance and safety.
A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: What are the main categories of standards, and can you give concrete examples of each?
The main split is between technical interoperability standards, which govern how ecosystems interoperate (like internet protocols, HTTP, and the agent-to-agent and universal commerce protocols), and process standards, which govern risk management, testing, and safety checks across industries. Both kinds are essential for a functioning AI-enabled ecosystem.
A Crash Course on AI Standards with Google DeepMind's Owen Larter
Q: Okay, so how do you explain standards and why they matter to somebody who's never thought about them before?
Standards are both formal, organizationally developed guidelines and informal best practices that create repeatable, interoperable ways of doing things. They enable different systems to work together, reduce complexity, and build trust by providing agreed-upon methods and metrics, which is crucial as AI becomes more pervasive.
Inside Anthropic's Standoff with the Pentagon and What It Means for Military AI
Q: What would a 'supply chain risk' designation or a Defense Production Act invocation mean for Anthropic?
A supply chain risk designation would legally bar the DoD from working with Anthropic and any companies that work with them, while the Defense Production Act could compel production of capabilities, creating a stark escalation in weaponizing policy tools.
Inside Anthropic's Standoff with the Pentagon and What It Means for Military AI
Q: Could you explain how the Pentagon currently uses Anthropic's models and where negotiations stand?
Anthropic has a DoD contract worth around $200 million through the Chief Digital and Artificial Intelligence Office, with intensified negotiations over enterprise terms to allow broader DoD usage, while safeguarding sensitive capabilities.

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A rigorous, policy-forward show that gathers experts from government, think tanks, and industry to dissect AI regulation, innovation, and national security. Episodes consistently center on governance frameworks, international AI competition, and the interplay between policy and technological progress, often featuring policymakers, researchers, and practitioners shaping AI strategy. A noteworthy trait is its synthesis of high-level geopolitics with practical implications for startups, defense, and public sector reform, making complex topics accessible without sacrificing depth. Listeners likely care about how policy choices influence innovation ecosystems, national security, and global AI leadership, and may seek either strategic insights or... more

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