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Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers ... more

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"If you could have a system that could build anything with code, humans can't compete on the same level. That's narrow superintelligence, and we're close."

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Logan Kilpatrick, who spent year... more

When did writing code stop being the job and start being the hobby?

One hundred episodes in, Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple pull the clips, check the predictions, and trace the through line across conversations with guests from Datadog, ElevenLabs, Gi... more

Meta’s Llama might not actually be open source AI, and the developers building on it have no idea.

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, to break down what open source actually means in the age of ... more

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An agent cannot read your website. And that needs to change.

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Guy Podjarny sits down with Maximiliano Firtman, 30-year web developer and author of 14 books, to talk about what building for the web looks like when tra... more

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Recent Guests

Logan Kilpatrick
Former OpenAI Developer Relations leader; DeepMind technical staff
Google DeepMind
Episode: Logan Kilpatrick on Who Ships AGI, DeepMind and the Problem With More Software
Annie Vela
Distinguished Engineer from Westpac
Westpac
Episode: Everything 100 Episodes Revealed About AI Native Dev
Matty Stadoszewski
CEO and founder of ElevenLabs
ElevenLabs
Episode: Everything 100 Episodes Revealed About AI Native Dev
Armand Dadka
SRE/DevOps expert
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Episode: Everything 100 Episodes Revealed About AI Native Dev
Amanda Brock
CEO of OpenUK
OpenUK
Episode: How DeepSeek leveraged Qwen and Llama to build its model in $5M
Chad Fowler
VC, Blue Yard Capital, former CTO and tech leader
Blue Yard Capital
Episode: Stop Maintaining Your Code. Start Replacing It
Brian Vermeer
Engineer at Snyk
Snyk
Episode: We Scanned 3,984 Skills — 1 in 7 Can Hack Your Machine
Daniel Jones
Consultant at Resync on AI Native transformation
Resync
Episode: The Greatest Time to Build a Startup (The AI-Native Advantage)
Richmond Alake
Director of AI Developer Experience at Oracle
Oracle
Episode: Why Your Agent Needs Memory, Not Just Context

Hosts

Guy Podjarny
Host and industry thought leader focused on AI-native software development and platform tooling.
Simon Maple
Co-host with focus on AI-native software development, security tooling, and developer experience.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 34 ratings
  • Amazing guests!

    The calibre of the guests on the show is excellent! Founders of Hashi, Intercom, Notion… lots of AI and Dev expertise.

    Really interesting and useful bits of wisdom from them, and episodes are generally fun to listen to.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ApodUK3
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • A unique resource to keep up with the space

    A lot of good content and people. It’s nice to hear the new revolution from close by with stories from the trenches !

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jedi4ever
    Belgiuma year ago

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High-caliber guests with hands-on experience in AI and dev tooling
Strong discussions around architecture and platform strategies without hype
Great practical takeaways for enterprise AI adoption
Fresh perspectives from security, observability, and governance angles

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Logan Kilpatrick on Who Ships AGI, DeepMind and the Problem With More Software
Q: Where are we today on the path to AGI compared to a year ago?
Kilpatrick suggests that AGI progress is better viewed as an ecosystem of capabilities built into products and services rather than a single breakthrough model; general intelligence remains elusive, but practical, productized intelligence is advancing rapidly through tooling and agent-based architectures.
Why Every Developer needs to know about WebMCP Now
Q: What are the practical use cases that make WebMCP appealing today?
E-commerce interactions, client-side payments, and any workflow requiring tight UX flow benefit from WebMCP, because actions can be executed locally or via a trusted on-page function rather than routing everything through a cloud API, reducing cost and latency.
Why Every Developer needs to know about WebMCP Now
Q: How does WebMCP compare to traditional MCP or REST/OpenAPI approaches?
WebMCP brings the service surface into the client-side page context, so tools are actual JavaScript functions on the page. It can be simpler to implement, avoids exposing server APIs to the outside, and can leverage local data and devices, with a clear distinction between client-side actions and server-side fallbacks.
Why Every Developer needs to know about WebMCP Now
Q: What exactly is WebMCP and what problem does it solve?
WebMCP is an experimental JavaScript API that exposes a set of services on a web page which an AI agent can call directly, instead of the agent simulating user interactions via screenshots. This reduces latency and token costs while enabling more reliable interactions with dynamic content.
Stop Maintaining Your Code. Start Replacing It
Q: Where do you see programming languages going in this model?
Programming languages may give way to programmer languages or higher-level vocabularies that express intents to agents, with the system handling generation and regeneration; languages become less about syntax and more about conveying goals and constraints to AI agents.

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What is The AI Native Dev about and what kind of topics does it cover?

This show centers on how AI is reshaping software development, with a heavy emphasis on agentic tooling, context management, and enterprise adoption. Episodes frequently explore practical patterns such as agent-based coding, memory and retrieval for AI agents, secure AI-enabled development, and platform-level approaches (e.g., Phoenix Architecture, standardized telemetry). Guests range from security researchers to CTOs and policy advocates, offering hands-on perspectives on building AI-native teams, governance, and scalable architectures. The format tends to pair technical deep-dives with pragmatic guidance for rollout, tooling selection, and organizational change, making it valuable for developers, engineering leaders, and strategy-minded ... more

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