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The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

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AI Native Software Development
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Welcome to The AI Native Developer, hosted by Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple. Join us as we explore and help shape the future of software development through the lens of AI. In this new paradigm of AI Native Software Development, we delve into how AI is transforming the way we build software, from tools and practices to the very structure of development teams.Our target audience includes developers ... more

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An engineer builds an AI agent to manage his own life, decides an unrestricted "does everything" agent is too dangerous to trust, and ends up creating the internal agent platform that now runs 30 agents across his entire company. 

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After DevOps, Patrick Debois has a new map. The godfather of DevOps returns to walk through his AI patterns research: how he tracks where AI-native development is heading by mining social signals instead of surveys, why the stack is settling into pat... more

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Six people reacted to Boris's side-project Slack post. A year later, Claude Code is ubiquitous, and the company just launched its next evolution: Claude Tag, an AI teammate that lives in Slack.

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What if the whole point of your AI agent was to eventually make itself redundant? Dru Knox, Head of Product at Tessl, introduces the Tessl agent — a new interface built not just for AI-assisted coding, but for building the software factory that keeps... more

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Tammuz Dubnov
Co-founder and CTO of Autonomy AI
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Episode: Why Agents Are Forcing Enterprises to Finally Fix Their Dev Process
Chris Baty
Speaker at the conference, talks about adopting AI in a product team
Independent speaker / industry practitioner
Episode: BONUS: DevCon London: Real Talk on AI ROI, Harnesses & Evals
Mani Sarkar
Long-term supporter of The AI Native Dev, discusses AI enablement and governance
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Episode: BONUS: DevCon London: Real Talk on AI ROI, Harnesses & Evals
Don Sein
Speaker at automation in GitHub session
Industry speaker
Episode: BONUS: DevCon London: Real Talk on AI ROI, Harnesses & Evals
Dana Lawson
CTO of Netlify
Netlify
Episode: AI Security & the Agent-Ready Web: Experts Weigh In
Max Firtman
Founder and Director
Codemia
Episode: AI Security & the Agent-Ready Web: Experts Weigh In
James Moss
Technical Staff
Tessl
Episode: AI Security & the Agent-Ready Web: Experts Weigh In
Nicholas Arcolano
Head of AI and Research at Jellyfish
Jellyfish
Episode: Why Developers Hit a Wall at 4 AI Agents
Joe Holdcroft
Member of technical staff and team lead at Tessl
Tessl
Episode: The Hidden Security Risks of AI Coding Agents

Hosts

Guy Podjarny
Host of AI Native Dev; known for insights on AI-native software, platform thinking, and governance.
Simon Maple
Co-host with expertise in AI-native software development and developer experience.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 37 ratings
  • Amazing guests!

    The calibre of the guests on the show is excellent! Founders of Hashi, Intercom, Notion… lots of AI and Dev expertise.

    Really interesting and useful bits of wisdom from them, and episodes are generally fun to listen to.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ApodUK3
    United Kingdoma year ago
  • A unique resource to keep up with the space

    A lot of good content and people. It’s nice to hear the new revolution from close by with stories from the trenches !

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jedi4ever
    Belgiuma year ago

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Positive: great coverage of AI tooling with real-world takeaways.
Positive: guests are high caliber and the discussions are practical and insightful.
Positive: unique resource for staying up-to-date with the space.

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#163
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#196
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#88
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#102
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#178
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#210
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AI Security & the Agent-Ready Web: Experts Weigh In
Q: What are the signs of secure adoption versus not ready?
Key signs include established security controls in pipelines, consistent governance, observability across all MCPs, and intentional security policies that guide agent usage.
AI Security & the Agent-Ready Web: Experts Weigh In
Q: What does not ready look like?
Organizations often lack traditional security controls in their pipelines, have chaotic MCP adoption across teams, and lack observability, making it hard to detect and stop risky agent behavior.
"AI Doesn't Stand for Artificial Intelligence" — Venkat Subramaniam's Take Will Change How You Think About It
Q: What conversation should developers be having right now?
Developers should discuss sustainability in development, focusing on delivering value while reducing risk and ensuring financial success for the company, with a clear understanding of why a feature exists and how it aligns with business goals.
What OpenAI, Stripe & ElevenLabs Devs Do Differently Now | AI Native Dev
Q: Why is context so important for AI models at Stripe and beyond?
Context is essential to ensure agents understand business rules, compliance, and platform-specific nuances across products, which enhances automation quality and reduces errors.
What OpenAI, Stripe & ElevenLabs Devs Do Differently Now | AI Native Dev
Q: Is there still a human in the loop for AI-generated code?
Yes, there is still human review for code, especially where business logic or high-risk changes are involved; lower-risk updates may land with reduced human intervention.

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What is The AI Native Dev about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A forward-looking tech podcast that centers AI-native software development, agentic tooling, and platform thinking for software teams. Conversations frequently cover practical patterns, governance, security, and observability in AI-enabled coding, with hands-on episodes about harness engineering, on-device models, and web-platform implications. Notable strengths include high-profile practitioner guests from enterprise and tooling vendors, plus in-depth takes on organizational change, developer experience, and security—making it useful for developers, engineering managers, and tech leaders aiming to ship AI-powered software at scale. The show often features real-world case studies, vendor perspectives, and practical guidance for moving from ... more

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