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Ladonna Humphrey
True Crime
Melissa Witt
Fraud
Oasis Of Northwest Arkansas
Cancer
FBI
Word Of Faith Fellowship
Mental Health
Rick Fernandez
Jason Bartlett
Harassment
Ohio
Domestic Violence
Facilitated Communication
Emotional Manipulation
Mariska Hargitay
Corruption
Tanya Fernandez
Court System

PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web. Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons PRETEND explains how and ... more

PublishesTwice weeklyEpisodes365Founded9 years ago
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In Part 6, the FBI comes knocking.

Rony Denis and his top associates allegedly defrauded the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and military veterans out of more than $23.5 million. The House of Prayer Bible Seminary looked like a school. Veterans ... more

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Rony Denis wasn't just the spiritual leader at the House of Prayer Christian Church... He was their god.

In Part 5, former members start connecting the dots on how Rony Denis consolidated control, and it's worse than you think. He ordered members to... more

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I teamed up with Carter Roy for a special guest collaboration on Murder: True Crime Stories and this one is something else. For the full episode, follow Murder: True Crime Stories on your favorite podcast app: pod.link/1745145932In November 2... more

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Note: This episode contains graphic descriptions of sexual abuse and psychological manipulation.

It started with a revolt. Thirty ministers walked out of NTCC mid-service and never looked back. They thought they were done with high-control leadershi... more

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Recent Guests

Javier Leiva
Host of PRETEND, investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living
PRETEND / Creative Babble, LLC
Episode: The Lottery Curse with Murder: True Crime Stories
Victor Johanson
Former NTCC member who discussed the matchmaking and control dynamics
Former NTCC member
Episode: Chain of Command part 3
Marissa Giammanco
Twin sister of Elise, recounts family history and the raid
Episode: The Raid | From Deep Cover: The Family Man
Elise Giammanco
Twin sister, describes childhood, household dynamics, and aftermath
Episode: The Raid | From Deep Cover: The Family Man
Sarah DeJonghe
Former NTCC member who describes the control within the organization
New Testament Christian Churches of America (NTCC)
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Andrew Shelton
Former Marine and NTCC member who recounts recruitment and life inside the serviceman's home
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Roger Davis
Original founder of NTCC
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Michael Kekel
Pastor and leader within NTCC
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Jamie White
Former CEO of Loomivision, victim of embezzlement
Loomivision (former CEO)
Episode: Operation Cockblock Revisited

Host

Javier Leiva
Host of PRETEND; investigative journalist guiding deep-dive true crime narratives.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.3k ratings
  • Love your podcast

    Javier, I love your podcast and the work you put into your stories. I have a very small critique which might be out of your control… can you order your podcasts from most recent at the top to oldest at the bottom? And if I am doing something wrong please forgive me for being ignorant. I enjoy all the reporting -Thank you

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    KMJ636
    United Statesa month ago
  • Fantastic Show

    I found out about this from Swindled podcast. It's really well done. Javier is great at finding interesting stories that are not in the news or on other podcasts.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bpricelbc
    United Statesa month ago
  • Accuracy

    Listening to the recap of some of the greatest podcast episodes: appreciate your passion, but disappointed by mispronounced names and omissions (i.e. the Mystery Show creator is Starlee “KINE,” not “Klein” and Love + Radio is made by Nick van der Kolk, who is a legendary audio story maker and deserves credit for his award-winning work)

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    Curlyfish 3000
    United Statesa month ago
  • Pretend tells it like it is

    The Pretend podcast has, since the very beginning, highlighted people who are not what they say they are. In some cases, this involves minor cases of fraud or identity theft. In other cases, it involves hypocrisy in people in positions of authority. In all situations, the host reports facts and invites comment from those he criticizes. Fair, honest, and incisive.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    edseljoe
    United Statesa month ago
  • Too political

    I used to really like this podcast. It’s become way too political now and I won’t listen again till he gets back to good story telling. Disappointed in the direction he is going.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    TMS51
    United States2 months ago

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Critiques often target ad pacing or perceived ad-heavy segments.
Some feel the show has become overly political and biased for their taste.
Listeners praise storytelling and interviews; many say the host is respectful and curious.
Fans appreciate long-form, survivor-focused stories and the depth of investigations.

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#158
United States/True Crime
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#194
Canada/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#215
United Kingdom/True Crime
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#225
Australia/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#173
Philippines/Top Podcasts
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#40
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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: What happens on later on this month when, when you have to appear in front of court like what do you expect is going to happen?
We expect we're going to tell our side of the story, which is the only side of the story, by the way.
The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: Do you think if Patrick and Nicky just stopped engaging with them, this would go away?
If they had done that more towards the beginning, that would be realistic that the trolls would get bored and move on.
The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: How does this end?
It ends with us dead or then in prison, it doesn't end any other way.
Listener Reaction: Didn't See It Coming part 2
Q: What was your opinions about psychics prior to this?
Christine expresses her skepticism but acknowledges some inexplicable experiences with intuition.
Listener Reaction: Didn't See It Coming part 2
Q: Can you share that story?
Christine recounts an eerie experience with her children predicting an event concerning their daycare.

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Frequently Asked Questions About PRETEND

What is PRETEND about and what kind of topics does it cover?

- PRETEND is a true crime investigative series focused on deception, scams, and manipulation, with cinematic storytelling and ethical journalism that centers victims. Across recent episodes, the show investigates coercive control in high‑control groups, romance scam networks, and white‑collar fraud, often blending survivor testimony, expert context, and procedural details to expose how manipulation operates in online and offline spaces. Notable throughlines include the psychology of con artists, the mechanics of recruitment and financial control, and the ongoing challenge of holding perpetrators accountable without shaming victims. The show frequently ties individual cases to broader themes around power, money, and accountability, and tends... more

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1. Javier Leiva
2. Victor Johanson
3. Marissa Giammanco
4. Elise Giammanco
5. Sarah DeJonghe
6. Andrew Shelton
7. Roger Davis
8. Michael Kekel

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