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Ladonna Humphrey
True Crime
Melissa Witt
Fraud
Oasis Of Northwest Arkansas
Cancer
FBI
Word Of Faith Fellowship
Mental Health
Rick Fernandez
Jason Bartlett
Harassment
Ohio
Domestic Violence
Facilitated Communication
Emotional Manipulation
Mariska Hargitay
Corruption
Tanya Fernandez
Court System

PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web. Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons PRETEND explains how and ... more

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In part three of Chain of Command, we hear from those who grew up in the New Testament Christian Churches of America. From Victor Johanson, a former Army soldier who confirms on tape that NTCC ministers got vasectomies because children would interfer... more

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Part one was about control. Part two is about the money.

Behind the soul-winning and the sermons and the bylaws, the New Testament Christian Churches of America runs a very well-funded business. Tithing is tracked, enforced, and tied to your militar... more

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Deep Cover is a true crime show about double lives, brought to you by our friends at Pushkin Industries.

Their new season, The Family Man, is a gripping story about how families can deceive each other and the lengths we’ll go to to protect our loved... more

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In 1996, Sarah DeJonghe was a 20-year-old Navy Seabee stationed in Okinawa, Japan. Two guys in uniform approached her on base and invited her to church. She said no.

They came back anyway.

Four months later, Sarah was out of the Navy and on her way... more

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Recent Guests

Marissa Giammanco
Twin sister of Elise, recounts family history and the raid
Episode: The Raid | From Deep Cover: The Family Man
Elise Giammanco
Twin sister, describes childhood, household dynamics, and aftermath
Episode: The Raid | From Deep Cover: The Family Man
Sarah DeJonghe
Former NTCC member who describes the control within the organization
New Testament Christian Churches of America (NTCC)
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Andrew Shelton
Former Marine and NTCC member who recounts recruitment and life inside the serviceman's home
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Roger Davis
Original founder of NTCC
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Michael Kekel
Pastor and leader within NTCC
NTCC
Episode: Chain of Command part 1
Jamie White
Former CEO of Loomivision, victim of embezzlement
Loomivision (former CEO)
Episode: Operation Cockblock Revisited
Michael Kechel
CEO/pastor of NTCC, leader in the Chain of Command segment
New Testament Christian Churches of America (NTCC)
Episode: Operation Cockblock Revisited
Pam Hemphill
Formerly known as the MAGA Granny; participant in January 6 Capitol events
Idaho resident; former addiction counselor
Episode: I Beg Your Pardon part 6: The MAGA Granny

Host

Javier Leiva
Host of PRETEND; investigative journalist guiding deep-dive true crime narratives.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.2k ratings
  • Too political

    I used to really like this podcast. It’s become way too political now and I won’t listen again till he gets back to good story telling. Disappointed in the direction he is going.

    Apple Podcasts
    1
    TMS51
    United Statesa month ago
  • Started with The Stalker, stayed for Javier!

    Like many others, I became hooked when I first listened to season 12, The Stalker, but I quickly became obsessed with the rest of the content. Javier is by far my favorite podcast host (and I consume a LOT of podcast content, he has stiff competition). Javier is respectful, intelligent, and curious. I love the stories he chooses, love the way he interviews subjects, love his energy. I’ve listened to every episode, and have gotten my sister and best friend hooked as well. I even purchased a patre... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Bek3930
    United Statesa month ago
  • javier is more and more political

    I love Javier, I have listened to a lot of his seasons, but recently I have to bail because I just can’t stand his bias reporting. He didn’t used to be that way.

    Apple Podcasts
    2
    usedtolikehim
    United States2 months ago
  • Long time fan

    I listen to a lot of podcasts and this one is and always has been in my TOP 10. Great stories, great host

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Discolunchbox
    Canada2 months ago
  • Love this podcast!

    Javier is such a great storyteller. This podcast series is so informative.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    SAV 74
    United States2 months ago

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Critiques often target ad pacing or perceived ad-heavy segments.
Some feel the show has become overly political and biased for their taste.
Listeners praise storytelling and interviews; many say the host is respectful and curious.
Fans appreciate long-form, survivor-focused stories and the depth of investigations.

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Apple Podcasts
#148
United States/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#107
Canada/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#229
United Kingdom/True Crime
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#100
France/True Crime
Apple Podcasts
#179
Australia/True Crime
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#25
Colombia/True Crime

Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: What happens on later on this month when, when you have to appear in front of court like what do you expect is going to happen?
We expect we're going to tell our side of the story, which is the only side of the story, by the way.
The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: Do you think if Patrick and Nicky just stopped engaging with them, this would go away?
If they had done that more towards the beginning, that would be realistic that the trolls would get bored and move on.
The Pests part 3 & 4 Revisited
Q: How does this end?
It ends with us dead or then in prison, it doesn't end any other way.
Listener Reaction: Didn't See It Coming part 2
Q: What was your opinions about psychics prior to this?
Christine expresses her skepticism but acknowledges some inexplicable experiences with intuition.
Listener Reaction: Didn't See It Coming part 2
Q: Can you share that story?
Christine recounts an eerie experience with her children predicting an event concerning their daycare.

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Frequently Asked Questions About PRETEND

What is PRETEND about and what kind of topics does it cover?

- PRETEND is a true crime investigative series focused on deception, scams, and manipulation, with cinematic storytelling and ethical journalism that centers victims. Across recent episodes, the show investigates coercive control in high‑control groups, romance scam networks, and white‑collar fraud, often blending survivor testimony, expert context, and procedural details to expose how manipulation operates in online and offline spaces. Notable throughlines include the psychology of con artists, the mechanics of recruitment and financial control, and the ongoing challenge of holding perpetrators accountable without shaming victims. The show frequently ties individual cases to broader themes around power, money, and accountability, and tends... more

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2. Elise Giammanco
3. Sarah DeJonghe
4. Andrew Shelton
5. Roger Davis
6. Michael Kekel
7. Jamie White
8. Michael Kechel

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