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Ladonna Humphrey
True Crime
Melissa Witt
Fraud
Oasis Of Northwest Arkansas
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Cancer
FBI
Word Of Faith Fellowship
Rick Fernandez
Mental Health
Jason Bartlett
Munchausen By Proxy
Harassment
Ohio
Domestic Violence
Con Artists
Facilitated Communication
Tanya Fernandez
Emotional Manipulation

PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web. Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons PRETEND explains how and ... more

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Gypsy Rose Blanchard thought no one was listening.

For years, everything she said from inside Chillicothe was being recorded. Now it's public. More than five hundred hours of it.

Some of those recordings broke through on social media, because on th... more

"I didn't f---ing get my own f---ing mother murdered just so I could live for everybody else."

That is Gypsy Rose Blanchard on a recorded prison line, saying the quiet part out loud. She had taken the plea and could never be tried again, so she let ... more

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There are people online right now who don't believe Dee Dee Blanchard had Munchausen by proxy. Some of them don't believe Munchausen by proxy is a real thing at all. So if the abuse wasn't real, how do you explain the feeding tube, the shaved head, t... more

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According to the anti-Gypsy camp, they've found it. The smoking gun. Gypsy Rose Blanchard has a rare genetic disorder, a microdeletion on chromosome 1, and depending on who you ask online, that one word explains the feeding tube, the leukemia, the pa... more

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Recent Guests

Audacious Audrey
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Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 6
Kira Dineen
Licensed certified genetic counselor; host/producer of DNA Today
DNA Today
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5
Fancy Maselli
Actress with contested producing background, involved in Gypsy story
Unclear (producing partner associated)
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 4
Christie Blanchard
Gypsy Blanchard's stepmother, connected with Gypsy's outside world
Blanchard family
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 4
Nick Godejohn
Defendant in the case and interview guest
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 3
Andrea Dunlop
Author and podcast host who conducted a prior interview with Gypsy Blanchard on Nobody Should Believe Me
Author, Nobody Should Believe Me
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 1
Gypsy Rose Blanchard
Subject of the case and interviewee
PRETEND
Episode: The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Official Trailer
Shelby Danielle Fernandez
Adult daughter central to the stalking case and household dynamics
Fernandez family, as discussed in the episode
Episode: The Stalker: Police Say They Found Who Was Sending the Messages, Part 22
William Ruzich
Private intelligence operative who hunts fraudsters; shared his lived experience with his father's identity theft and his own work catching con artists
Independent investigator; private intelligence operative
Episode: He Turned His Own Father In. Then Built a Career Catching Con Artists.

Host

Javier Leiva
Host of PRETEND; investigative journalist known for ethical, in-depth storytelling and interviews with deception-focused subjects.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 5.5k ratings
  • I always come back to this Podcast

    I work from home and I absorb a lot of investigative podcasts. I love content about quirky/different stories that can unfold as the narrative of the podcast is forming. I also love subjects where stories turn into places you didn’t expect. Time and time again I keep coming back to PRETEND. Javier’s storytelling is one of the most natural I’ve heard and I love how I feel like he’s telling me, personally, a crazy story over a few long coffee chats. I’ve loved The Stalker series, LaDonna and curren... more

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Harryhausen
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • I wait with baited breath for the Truth to be brought out, as a start I feel he may do this the just

    So for once, as lovely Nancy from @thetollpodcast, I will reserve all judgement u til this whole month long series comes out…. I know this may be in vain, however, I can’t wait and hopefully he will follow this addressing the new Prison calls ?

    Be blessed guys 1 I know we all are thinking this could be another fluff piece , but pls I know , give it time - he may explain even why he is addressing this the way he is .. for just the beginning ❤

    Furthermore,

    My psychiatric professor (student MH ... more

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    ckprankin30
    United Kingdom2 months ago
  • It was a good podcast but now there's a ad break every 5 to 10 minutes and it's the same ad I can't handle that crap

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    BeardedRingo
    2 months ago
  • The work is done with care in every aspects

    Rigorous, diligent , empathetic work; journalism, communication and approaches. Always very surprising and informative episodes and series. Thank you

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    COBOU21
    Canada3 months ago
  • FAVORITE PODCAST IN WORLD

    Genuinely nothing like it, my mom played the Ladonna series in the car on a 17 hour road trip, we listened to the whole thing together and i still relisten to the ladonna series at least twice every year :) Love ur show Javier, and im excited for everything thats to come!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    JanieJello
    United States3 months ago

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Listeners praise the rigorous, empathetic journalism and balanced interviewing.
Common feedback highlights the show's depth, ethics, and ability to reveal uncomfortable truths without sensationalism.
Many describe the host as thoughtful, tenacious, and engaging with credible storytelling.

Chart Rankings

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#126
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#98
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#167
United Kingdom/True Crime
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#136
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#101
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#114
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The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5
Q: How should we interpret size in this genetic deletion, and does a smaller deletion mean less impact?
Size alone is not determinative; two people can have the same deletion yet lead very different lives, so clinical significance depends on which genes are affected and how they interact with other factors.
The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5
Q: If Gypsy has a microdeletion, how does that relate to the signs people point to as Munchausen by Proxy?
A genetic condition can provide a 'palette' for creating believable symptoms, but it does not automatically justify or explain all abuse claims; the evidence needs to be evaluated separately from the diagnosis, with careful consideration of what is truly documented.
The Gypsy Rose Obsession, part 5
Q: What about psychiatric and behavioral aspects? Do these people experience any of that?
There are psychiatric and behavioral problems that affect a small percentage of people with this microdeletion, and conditions like autism spectrum disorder, ADHD, and sleep disturbances can appear, but not uniformly among all individuals with the deletion.
The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 3
Q: Why was murder seen as the necessary option instead of running away?
Gypsy explains that she believed running away was not feasible at the time, and the plan evolved under pressure and manipulation from Nick over years, though she later reflects that it wasn't necessary and that better choices could have been made.
The Gypsy Rose Obsession, Part 3
Q: What was your intention, though?
The intention was to scare her; Gypsy did not believe she would actually pull the trigger because she knew it was a BB gun, not a real weapon.

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PRETEND is an investigative true-crime series focused on real people who lie for a living—con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their wake. Each episode blends thorough reporting with cinematic storytelling to unpack how deception operates, from financial schemes and phishing to social engineering and manipulation. The host, a journalist known for rigorous interviewing and balanced framing, guides conversations with insiders, victims, and experts to illuminate the psychology of persuasion without shaming those harmed. Across seasons, the show stands out for its ethical approach, storytelling variety (long investigations and stand-alone episodes), and its willingness to examine systemic harms behind complex scams and high-control ... more

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