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Out of the FHIR Podcast

Gene Vestel
FHIR
Interoperability
Healthcare Interoperability
Health Data Interoperability
Healthcare Technology
Data Architecture
API Management
Cloud Technology
EHR
Health Data Standards
Artificial Intelligence
Quality Measurement
Flexpa
Plaid
Fasten Health
Healthcare IT
Healthcare Regulations
Med Tech Companies
Health Interoperability
Provider Data

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I just got back from HIMSS 2026, and my ears are still ringing mostly from the sound of vendors pivoting to “AI-First” strategies overnight.

In Episode 24 of Out of the FHIR, we’re skipping the press releases. I’m breaking down the three biggest lie... more

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In this episode, I sat down with Max Nussbaumer to talk about why he founded Max Health, why he’s bringing his work from Europe into the U.S. market, and what he believes is about to change in healthcare faster than most people realize.

Max has deep... more

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Top 10 Takeaways: COVID, Data, and the Coming AI Reckoning in Healthcare

1) Healthcare didn’t lack data. It lacked urgency.The pandemic didn’t introduce new analytics capabilities. It changed the cost of being slow. When delay becomes lethal, organi... more

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In Episode 21 of Out of the FHIR, I sat down with Pooja Babbrah, Executive Vice President of Strategy and Industry Alignment for NCPDP. We bonded over our shared history in the pharmacy world dating back to the rivalry between Medco and PCS and dug d... more

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This episode of Out of the FHIR features Paulius Mui, MD, a family physician and entrepreneur, exploring the critical intersection of clinical medicine, technology, and data standards. Dr. Mui shares his journey from residency to becoming a tech-savv... more

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This week, I’m sharing a special conversation I had with Aaron Neiderhiser of Tuva Health and Phil Ballentine from Atropos Health (together they host the High Dimensional Health Data Podcast) . We’ve been trying to schedule this for months, and I’m g... more

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In today’s rapidly evolving healthcare landscape, the integration of data between payers and providers has become crucial for delivering value-based care. In this episode of the out of the fhir podcast, FHIR Data guy sits down with Michael Westover ,... more

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Welcome back to Out of the FHIR. This isn’t just any episode. This is a reunion.

FHIR Data guy brings together two heavy-hitters from his past, Eric Melymuk Principal Engineer at Progyny and John Dobak Senior FHIR Analytics Engineer at b.Well a trio... more

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Recent Guests

Paulius Mui
Family physician and health tech entrepreneur
X Primary Care
Episode: Episode 20 - Paulius Mui, MD - X Primary Care
Michael Westover
Renowned figure in the probability space and data integration expert
Providence
Episode: Michael Westover on the perils of vendor data sharing
Mark Scrimshire
Chief Interoperability Officer at Onyx
Onyx Health
Episode: Episode 16 - From Blue Button to Bulk FHIR with Mark Scrimshire
Scott Rossignol
Consultant in the interoperability space with 15 years of experience working in EHRs and interoperability.
Episode: Stop Building for Interoperability (And Start Building a Great Product)
Dr. Mark Kramer
An authority in the field of healthcare interoperability with a PhD in chemical engineering and extensive experience in AI.
Mitre
Episode: Episode 14 - Mark Kramer
Benji Graham
FHIR evangelist and member of the FHIR community, currently working with Belize.
Belize
Episode: Episode 13 - Bill Lakenan & Benji Graham
Bill Lakenan
Director of Innovation at Belize, passionate about digital quality measurement.
Belize
Episode: Episode 13 - Bill Lakenan & Benji Graham
Jill DeGraff
Expert in interoperability and former lawyer with experience in health law and consulting
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Episode: Episode 10: A New Era for Interoperability? A Deep Dive with Jill DeGraff
Eyal Dviri
Head of data innovation team in Clalit.
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Episode: Episode 9 - Eyal Dviri

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Episode 23 - Max Nussbaumer
Q: What do you think is the differentiator specifically for startups?
I feel like that should be the same in healthcare, and we should make that accessible to anyone globally.
Episode 23 - Max Nussbaumer
Q: What should I be doing to get it in front of actual investors, clients, people working on the same problem?
There is a lot of confidence around now. We see AI improving everyone's confidence in what we are capable of doing.
Episode 23 - Max Nussbaumer
Q: What made you want to start a company?
I saw that there's so much more things I'm interested in and I want to provide a holistic view on the healthcare system.
Episode 22 - Chris Hutchins
Q: What do you think is the lasting legacy of the pandemic on healthcare data usage?
It highlighted the crucial need for real-time data and improved data curation as a response to crisis situations.
Episode 22 - Chris Hutchins
Q: How would you describe your experiences during COVID?
I had to turn on a dime; we moved data and analytics at an unprecedented pace to address urgent needs.

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This show centers on health IT interoperability, with a strong emphasis on FHIR standardization, data sharing, and the real-world challenges of implementing modern health information exchange. Across recent episodes, guests range from startup founders to interoperability leaders and clinicians who discuss standards like FHIR, SQL on FHIR, CQL, and AI-assisted healthcare analytics. The conversations often address practical barriers (data formatting, vendor data sharing, regulatory frameworks) and the opportunities created by interoperable data flows, patient data transparency, and innovative health tech products. A notable strength is its focus on how standards translate into tangible improvements in patient care, quality measurement, and pr... more

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