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Approaching the news from distinctly different points on the political spectrum, host Mike Pesca, and a rotating group of panelists, attempt to change each other's minds on the most important stories of the day. Often unsuccessfully. Between the non-stop election cycle and torrents of cancellations (real or imagined), there is a ton to argue about. But don't worry. In the end, they're NOT EVEN MAD... more

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Today on the Gist, Mike is joined by Sarada Peri, former speechwriter for President Obama, and Sarah Isgur, senior editor at SCOTUSblog and author of Last Branch Standing, for a new installment of Not Even Mad. The trio discusses the Virginia redistr... more

Today on a Not Even Mad, Mike is joined by political writer John Ganz and Reason's Nick Gillespie to debate whether the ceasefire with Iran is a strategic victory for the regime or a result of Donald Trump's bellicose rhetoric. The trio analyzes the ... more

Today on a Not Even Mad edition of The Gist, Mike is joined by political scientist Yascha Mounk (The Good Fight) and Colin Cole, director of policy outreach and communications at More Equitable Democracy and host of The Future of Our Former Democracy... more

Jeff Nussbaum and Dan Rothschild debate the Iran war's shaky public support, the administration's failure to make a clear case for sacrifice, and whether the mission is deterrence, regime change, or just another round of mowing the lawn. Then they tu... more

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Recent Guests

John Ganz
Author of When the Clock Broke, Con Men, Conspiracists, and How America Cracked Up in the Early 1990s; author of The Unpopular Front Substack
Author; Substack writer
Episode: EP 39 | John Ganz & Nick Gillespie
Yascha Mounk
Founder and Editor-in-Chief of Persuasion; author of The Identity Trap
Episode: EP 38 | Yascha Mounk & Colin Cole
Colin Cole
Host of The Future of Our Former Democracy; Director of Policy Outreach and Communications at More Equitable Democracy
Episode: EP 38 | Yascha Mounk & Colin Cole
Jeff Nussbaum
Senior speechwriter for President Joe Biden, previously worked for Gore and Daschle
Senate/White House staff; author
Episode: EP 37 | Jeff Nussbaum & Dan Rothschild
John Ketcham
Legal Policy Fellow and Director of Cities at the Manhattan Institute
Manhattan Institute
Episode: EP 32 | Anthony Weiner & John Ketcham
Russell Muirhead
Co-director of the Political Economy Project at Dartmouth, member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, and author.
Dartmouth College
Episode: EP 31 | Russ Muirhead & Nick Gillespie
Damon Linker
Senior lecturer in the Political Science Department at the University of Pennsylvania and writer for Notes from the Middle Ground.
University of Pennsylvania
Episode: EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
Steve Hayes
CEO and editor of The Dispatch.
The Dispatch
Episode: EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
James Kirchick
Author of Secret City, frequent contributor to Politico, and to the New York Times opinion pages
Politico
Episode: EP 26 | Michael A. Cohen and Jamie Kirchick

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Mike Pesca
Host of Not Even Mad; renowned moderator known for guiding diverse panels with measured, fact-based discussion.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 231 ratings
  • Smart & Entertaining

    I don’t generally like political / politically-adjacent podcasts. I feel like we already spend too much time engaging with politics. But I really like Mike and so gave this show a chance. I’m glad I did. It’s smart, funny and often unexpected. I’m looking forward to seeing how this show evolves.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jonathanlaw99
    United States9 months ago
  • Pesca makes it possible to have a real conversation

    I love hearing Pesca’s guests disagree. It means they actually say the things that need to be said for America to move forward. And Mike does a great job of guiding the convo when things might be veering off the rails (I’m looking at you Anthony Weiner). Love this show.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PDXHamsterCat
    United Statesa year ago
  • Libertarians are wild

    Outstanding podcast. Interesting to hear people that I disagree with express their opinions eloquently and respectfully. Always surprising to get more evidence that “libertarian” is simply a euphemism for “selfish”.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ytfrschimfah
    United Statesa year ago
  • I’m so glad you’re back

    Discussions without rancor by people with different points of view. I wish this was the norm for media but it isn’t, unfortunately. Thankfully, there’s Not Even Mad to model how to argue a point like a mensch.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ShaneFergusson
    United Statesa year ago
  • Wish the host rotation happened sooner

    I stopped listening early because I wasn’t enjoying the discussion among the originating trio. Sorry to see it end just as others began to engage with Mike in the podcast I was hoping for… a Left, Right, and Center with Mike as the center. And if it were to come back as a less ideologically pure Political Gabfest instead, with a more invested set of co-panelists, I’m here for it.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    debh
    United States3 years ago

Listeners Say

Key themes from listener reviews, highlighting what works and what could be improved about the show.

Discussions without rancor & diverse points of view are refreshing.
Libertarians are wild: accessibility of libertarian viewpoints on air.
Pesca fosters real conversation with diverse guests and strong moderation.
Smart & Entertaining: smart, funny, and thoughtful.
Listeners appreciate intelligent debate and fair research; some criticism about guest rotation and balance.

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EP 32 | Anthony Weiner & John Ketcham
Q: Can you cite an example when you were in Congress of a Democratic Congress stopping the powers or standing up for their prerogatives against a Democratic president?
The appropriation committee has historically protected spending power; resistance to a president occurred when any rescission effort was made.
EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
Q: Do you think it's a problem?
Yes, it's a problem primarily for the reasons that you suggest.
EP 16 | Anthony Weiner and Nick Gillespie
Q: How are voters reacting to scandals surrounding candidates in the current NYC mayoral race?
Voters may be more focused on their pressing urban issues rather than the personal scandals of the candidates.
EP 16 | Anthony Weiner and Nick Gillespie
Q: What do you think about Chuck Schumer's strategy?
Chuck Schumer might have made the right calculation to prevent a government shutdown during politically precarious times.
EP 19 | Austin Berg & Eric Zorn
Q: What do you think? So primaries, are they?
Austin suggests increasing turnout is essential and discusses voter apathy resulting from the timing of low turnout elections and possible reforms to the primary system.

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A sharp, civically minded roundtable that hosts a rotating panel to dissect the day's biggest political stories from diverse perspectives. Episodes frequently center on messaging, governance, policy outcomes, and the media's role in shaping public opinion, with guests ranging from veteran speechwriters and policy researchers to journalists and political commentators. The format emphasizes respectful disagreement, practical takeaways for policymakers and brands, and a willingness to challenge conventional narratives. Noteworthy elements include nuanced debates about immigration, governance, and democracy, plus a track record of inviting insider perspectives that illuminate how political decisions get communicated and perceived by the public.... more

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