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Approaching the news from distinctly different points on the political spectrum, host Mike Pesca, and a rotating group of panelists, attempt to change each other's minds on the most important stories of the day. Often unsuccessfully. Between the non-stop election cycle and torrents of cancellations (real or imagined), there is a ton to argue about. But don't worry. In the end, they're NOT EVEN MAD... more

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Anthony Weiner and John Ketcham break down a Congress being flayed by its own fringes, where the "crazies" sometimes deliver the sharpest institutional critiques. They then assess Pete Hegseth and the possible release video of a lethal Caribbean boat... more

Mike Pesca welcomes back Nick Gillespie (Reason Magazine) and first-time guest Russ Muirhead (Dartmouth professor and New Hampshire State Rep.) for a spirited debate that is—we swear—not even mad. Today, we look at the half-full autocratic glass: Doe... more

Brad Carson (Americans for Responsible Innovation) and Charles Lehman (Manhattan Institute / City Journal) dig into the shutdown endgame, Schumer's calculus, 2026 vibes, and why data centers might be a sleeper issue. They argue affordability vs. "aff... more

Steve Hayes and Damon Linker debate whether Trump's demolition of the White House East Wing is another norm-busting outrage or just a gaudy renovation. They argue over visuals versus substance in anti-Trump outrage, Trump's manipulation of public opi... more

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Recent Guests

Russell Muirhead
Co-director of the Political Economy Project at Dartmouth, member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives, and author.
Dartmouth College
Episode: EP 31 | Russ Muirhead & Nick Gillespie
Damon Linker
Senior lecturer in the Political Science Department at the University of Pennsylvania and writer for Notes from the Middle Ground.
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Episode: EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
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CEO and editor of The Dispatch.
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Episode: EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
James Kirchick
Author of Secret City, frequent contributor to Politico, and to the New York Times opinion pages
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Episode: EP 26 | Michael A. Cohen and Jamie Kirchick
Josh Barrow
He of the very serious sub stack and the host of the Serious Trouble podcast.
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Episode: EP 25 | Galen Druke and Josh Barro
Galen Druke
The proprietor of GD Politics, a former 538 stalwart.
GD Politics
Episode: EP 25 | Galen Druke and Josh Barro
Jeff Maurer
Proprietor of the I Might Be Wrong Substack
I Might Be Wrong
Episode: EP 22 | Carine Hajjar and Jeffrey Maurer
Eli Lake
Host of the Breaking History podcast series and veteran expert in foreign affairs and national security
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Episode: EP 20 | Michael Cohen & Eli Lake
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Columnist for MSNBC, writer of the Truth and Consequences newsletter, senior fellow at the Fletcher School at Tufts
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Host

Mike Pesca
Host and prominent commentator on political discourse, known for his insights and engaging conversations.

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 232 ratings
  • Smart & Entertaining

    I don’t generally like political / politically-adjacent podcasts. I feel like we already spend too much time engaging with politics. But I really like Mike and so gave this show a chance. I’m glad I did. It’s smart, funny and often unexpected. I’m looking forward to seeing how this show evolves.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jonathanlaw99
    United States5 months ago
  • Pesca makes it possible to have a real conversation

    I love hearing Pesca’s guests disagree. It means they actually say the things that need to be said for America to move forward. And Mike does a great job of guiding the convo when things might be veering off the rails (I’m looking at you Anthony Weiner). Love this show.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    PDXHamsterCat
    United States9 months ago
  • Libertarians are wild

    Outstanding podcast. Interesting to hear people that I disagree with express their opinions eloquently and respectfully. Always surprising to get more evidence that “libertarian” is simply a euphemism for “selfish”.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Ytfrschimfah
    United States9 months ago
  • I’m so glad you’re back

    Discussions without rancor by people with different points of view. I wish this was the norm for media but it isn’t, unfortunately. Thankfully, there’s Not Even Mad to model how to argue a point like a mensch.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    ShaneFergusson
    United States10 months ago
  • Wish the host rotation happened sooner

    I stopped listening early because I wasn’t enjoying the discussion among the originating trio. Sorry to see it end just as others began to engage with Mike in the podcast I was hoping for… a Left, Right, and Center with Mike as the center. And if it were to come back as a less ideologically pure Political Gabfest instead, with a more invested set of co-panelists, I’m here for it.

    Apple Podcasts
    3
    debh
    United States3 years ago

Listeners Say

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Reviews highlight the humor and respectful discourse among guests, making complex political conversations approachable.
Some listeners express disappointment with certain episodes that lack the expected depth or critical engagement, noting a desire for more balanced discussions.
Listeners commend the podcast for its intelligent and engaging discussions that present a variety of viewpoints.

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Talking Points

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EP 29 | Steve Hayes & Damon Linker
Q: Do you think it's a problem?
Yes, it's a problem primarily for the reasons that you suggest.
EP 16 | Anthony Weiner and Nick Gillespie
Q: How are voters reacting to scandals surrounding candidates in the current NYC mayoral race?
Voters may be more focused on their pressing urban issues rather than the personal scandals of the candidates.
EP 16 | Anthony Weiner and Nick Gillespie
Q: What do you think about Chuck Schumer's strategy?
Chuck Schumer might have made the right calculation to prevent a government shutdown during politically precarious times.
EP 19 | Austin Berg & Eric Zorn
Q: What do you think? So primaries, are they?
Austin suggests increasing turnout is essential and discusses voter apathy resulting from the timing of low turnout elections and possible reforms to the primary system.
EP 19 | Austin Berg & Eric Zorn
Q: Austin, what are you thinking about either in the Chicago context or just overall in the municipal context in voter turnout?
Austin discusses the issue of low voter turnout in municipal elections, noting it is a problem in Chicago and talks about how the election timing can suppress voter participation.

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