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More Than Counts

Judge Mimi
Cheerleading
Next Level Choreography
Australia
Morelia, Mexico
Tumbling
Jake Chester
Top Gun Legends
Summit
United Scoring System
Seattle, United States
Choreography
Hailey Smith
Mexico City, Mexico
Denver, United States
Paris
Team Canada Co-Ed Premier
Creative Elements
University Of Louisville
Gymtyme Chrome
Professional Cheer League

More Than Counts is a podcast about what really goes into cheerleading routines... beyond the eight counts!

Hosted by cheer Judge Mimi, this show brings choreographers, coaches, athletes, and industry leaders together to break down choreography, creativity, and the stories behind the routines you see on the mat. Each episode explores what makes routines special, what actually hits the scoresheet,... more

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What makes a dance score? Is it more movement? More difficulty? Or is it something else entirely?

In this episode of More Than Counts, Judge Mimi sits down with choreographer and coach Jake to explore one of the most debated parts of a routine: danc... more

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Professional cheerleading is no longer just an idea—it's becoming a reality.

In this episode, Judge Mimi sits down with John Newby, Commissioner of the Professional Cheer League (PCL) and EVP of Varsity International, for a behind-the-scenes look at... more

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From becoming a self-proclaimed "gym rat" chasing standing tucks to competing with GymTyme Chrome at Worlds and building some of Virginia's most recognizable themed routines, Kaden Koz has seen cheerleading from nearly every angle.

In this episode, ... more

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Chris Cox didn't set out to become a choreographer. He simply fell in love with the creative side of cheerleading and never stopped chasing it.

In this episode, Chris shares his journey from athlete, to coach, to building one of the industry's most ... more

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Recent Guests

Jake Chester
Choreographer and coach, leads multiple teams at Cheer Athletics; specialist in seamless movement and dance readability
Cheer Athletics
Episode: 021 Jake Chester - What Makes Cheer Dance Actually Score
John Newby
PCL Commissioner and EVP of Varsity International
Varsity / Professional Cheer League (PCL)
Episode: 020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Kaden Koz
Choreographer and coach
GymTyme Chrome / University of Louisville / Virginia high school programs
Episode: 019 Kaden Koz - The Details That Separate Good Routines From Great Ones
Chris Cox
Choreographer and founder of Next Level Choreography
Next Level Choreography
Episode: 018 Chris Cox - Building Moments, Not Just Routines
Rick Rodgers
Founder of Paracheer and advocate for adaptive cheerleading
Paracheer
Episode: 015 Rick Rodgers - How Paracheer Is Changing Cheerleading Forever
Adrian Butler
Coach and leader of Top Gun Legends
Top Gun Savannah / Legends program
Episode: 014 Adrian Butler - How Top Gun Legends Won Worlds in Year 1
Coach K
The mastermind behind the High School Cheer Rules Instagram account
Rise (coaching/camps) and High School Cheer Rules
Episode: 012 High School Cheer Rules - Explained with Coach K
Dahlston Delgado
Choreographer at the highest level across college cheer; works on Macy's Parade, Stumble, Broadway
Episode: 010 Dahlston Delgado - The Mind Behind Your Favourite NCA Routines
Jay Yoder
Dad, comedian, and creator known for viral TikToks about parenting through cheerleading
TikTok creator
Episode: 008 Cheer Dad - Jay Yoder

Hosts

Mimi
Host of More Than Counts, cheer judge and industry commentator
Ashley Williams
Guest, coach and choreographer, also a recurring host/guest with deep involvement in coaching and choreography

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#208
United States/Education/How To
Apple Podcasts
#85
Australia/Education/How To
Apple Podcasts
#137
Germany/Education/How To
Apple Podcasts
#79
Belgium/Education/How To

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020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Q: What arena had the best atmosphere?
The Rockets Home Arena in Houston (Toyota Center) delivered the most impressive atmosphere with high-end graphics and production.
020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Q: Which athlete has impressed you the most?
Gabby stood out for her engagement with fans and the leadership she showed, along with Liam for his presence with athletes.
020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Q: Which PCL team would you least want to compete against?
Miami Mel was identified as the tougher matchup, reflecting the competitive landscape and the energy teams bring to the league.
021 Jake Chester - What Makes Cheer Dance Actually Score
Q: What was it like to perform at NCAA and handle the unexpected safety incident?
The moment was surreal; we celebrated the win and then immediately shifted to safety protocols, with the community supporting the kids and ensuring everyone stayed calm and protected.
021 Jake Chester - What Makes Cheer Dance Actually Score
Q: How do you balance difficulty and readability in a dance, and what makes a dance score high?
A dance scores higher when it is cohesive and legible; complexity must be balanced with clear formations and readable shapes so judges can see movement and read the picture on the floor.

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What is More Than Counts about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A show that pulls back the curtain on cheer routines, focusing on how choreography, staging, and score-driven decisions shape what audiences see on the mat. Across episodes, listeners hear from top choreographers, coaches, athletes, and industry leaders who share concrete insights on theme development, technique, safety, and cross-border training. The conversations blend practical tips for building routines with reflections on culture, leadership, and the realities of competing at national and world levels. A standout throughline is the emphasis on process—how teams move from concept to execution, and how staff, collaboration, and relentless preparation influence both scores and storytelling. This podcast is especially valuable for coaches,... more

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2. John Newby
3. Kaden Koz
4. Chris Cox
5. Rick Rodgers
6. Adrian Butler
7. Coach K
8. Dahlston Delgado

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