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More Than Counts

Judge Mimi
Cheerleading
Next Level Choreography
Australia
Morelia, Mexico
Tumbling
Jake Chester
Top Gun Legends
Summit
Seattle, United States
United Scoring System
Hailey Smith
Choreography
Creative Elements
Team Canada Co-Ed Premier
Mexico City, Mexico
Denver, United States
Paris
University Of Louisville
Gymtyme Chrome
Paracheer

More Than Counts is a podcast about what really goes into cheerleading routines... beyond the eight counts!

Hosted by cheer Judge Mimi, this show brings choreographers, coaches, athletes, and industry leaders together to break down choreography, creativity, and the stories behind the routines you see on the mat. Each episode explores what makes routines special, what actually hits the scoresheet,... more

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Latest Episodes

What does it take to make cheerleading easier to follow, understand and love as a fan?

In Episode 029, I sit down with Alex, the creator of Cheer Theory, to talk about his journey from competitive athlete to building one of the most trusted media pl... more

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When a stunt feels shaky, a jump lacks height, or execution begins to fade, coaches often respond with more repetitions. But what if the real problem isn’t cleaning… it’s strength?

In this episode, Mimi sits down with physical therapist and former O... more

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Can one routine succeed on two different score sheets?

In this episode, international choreographer Brandon Mackey joins Judge Mimi to talk about building routines around the world and adapting choreography for different athletes, cultures and scori... more

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Raise the Athlete, Not the Pressure

How do we raise athletes who can handle pressure, disappointment and big expectations... without making their results feel like everything?

This week, I sit down with Coach Becky, author of Raise the Athlete, Not... more

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Recent Guests

Jason Larkins
Gym Director at American Cheer
American Cheer
Episode: 024 Jason Larkins - What it Really Takes to Run a Cheer Gym
Kelvin Lam
Stunt educator and coach, founder of Cheer Moxie
Cheer Moxie
Episode: 022 Kelvin Lam - What Elite Stunt Coaches See That You Don't
Jake Chester
Choreographer and coach, leads multiple teams at Cheer Athletics; specialist in seamless movement and dance readability
Cheer Athletics
Episode: 021 Jake Chester - What Makes Cheer Dance Actually Score
John Newby
PCL Commissioner and EVP of Varsity International
Varsity / Professional Cheer League (PCL)
Episode: 020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Kaden Koz
Choreographer and coach
GymTyme Chrome / University of Louisville / Virginia high school programs
Episode: 019 Kaden Koz - The Details That Separate Good Routines From Great Ones
Chris Cox
Choreographer and founder of Next Level Choreography
Next Level Choreography
Episode: 018 Chris Cox - Building Moments, Not Just Routines
Rick Rodgers
Founder of Paracheer and advocate for adaptive cheerleading
Paracheer
Episode: 015 Rick Rodgers - How Paracheer Is Changing Cheerleading Forever
Adrian Butler
Coach and leader of Top Gun Legends
Top Gun Savannah / Legends program
Episode: 014 Adrian Butler - How Top Gun Legends Won Worlds in Year 1
Coach K
The mastermind behind the High School Cheer Rules Instagram account
Rise (coaching/camps) and High School Cheer Rules
Episode: 012 High School Cheer Rules - Explained with Coach K

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Mimi
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023 Judge Mimi - You Asked. I Answered. (And Reviewed Your Routines.)
Q: What is something you notice in the first 15 seconds of a routine that predicts how it will score?
The first 15 seconds reveal energy, confidence, eye contact, and overall visuals; teams should establish a strong opening to set up a high-scoring trajectory and avoid giving judges a reason to downgrade early.
022 Kelvin Lam - What Elite Stunt Coaches See That You Don't
Q: What led you to create the Cheer Moxie certification?
The goal is to empower coaches with a licensed framework to teach my system, while letting them keep their own business and income.
022 Kelvin Lam - What Elite Stunt Coaches See That You Don't
Q: Kelvin, what do you see as the most underrated fundamental in stunting today?
Active rest and efficient use of muscles throughout the routine, plus careful, ongoing micro-adjustments during a stunt to prevent breakdowns later on.
020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Q: What arena had the best atmosphere?
The Rockets Home Arena in Houston (Toyota Center) delivered the most impressive atmosphere with high-end graphics and production.
020 John Newby - Can You Make a Living as a Professional Cheerleader?
Q: Which athlete has impressed you the most?
Gabby stood out for her engagement with fans and the leadership she showed, along with Liam for his presence with athletes.

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This show centers on what truly drives standout cheer routines, going beyond eight counts to explore choreography, technique, leadership, and the storytelling that connects performers with judges and audiences. Episodes feature coaches, choreographers, athletes, judges, and industry leaders who dissect scoring, safety, and the evolving rules across different leagues and regions. A notable throughline is practical, real-world guidance—ranging from building cohesive teams and managing programs to creating moments on the floor that translate to higher scores—plus deep dives into adaptive cheer, international perspectives, and the infrastructure behind professional and semi-professional leagues. The format often blends tactical critique with ca... more

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2. Kelvin Lam
3. Jake Chester
4. John Newby
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6. Chris Cox
7. Rick Rodgers
8. Adrian Butler

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