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More Than Counts

Judge Mimi
Morelia, Mexico
Cheerleading
Australia
Top Gun Legends
Seattle, United States
Mexico City, Mexico
Denver, United States
Paris
Hailey Smith
Creative Elements
Team Canada Co-Ed Premier
Summit
United Scoring System
Choreography
Paracheer
International Cheer Union
Paralympics
Barcelonа
United States
Spirit Pro Camp

More Than Counts is a podcast about what really goes into cheerleading routines... beyond the eight counts!

Hosted by cheer Judge Mimi, this show brings choreographers, coaches, athletes, and industry leaders together to break down choreography, creativity, and the stories behind the routines you see on the mat. Each episode explores what makes routines special, what actually hits the scoresheet,... more

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Latest Episodes

Chris Cox didn't set out to become a choreographer. He simply fell in love with the creative side of cheerleading and never stopped chasing it.

In this episode, Chris shares his journey from athlete, to coach, to building one of the industry's most ... more

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A perfect score is one of the rarest achievements in cheerleading. But what happens after you get one?

In this episode, Judge Mimi sits down with Brynn and Jalyn of Macs All Stars, the coaches behind Reign, a team that went from a half-year experime... more

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Tumbling is one of the most visible skills in cheerleading, but the journey behind it is often much bigger than the skill itself.

In this episode, Levi joins us to talk about what it really takes to develop successful tumblers. From overcoming fear ... more

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What does it take to create a place in cheerleading where everyone belongs?

In this episode, Judge Mimi sits down with Rick Rodgers, one of the pioneers behind adaptive and para cheerleading, to discuss the journey that led to a groundbreaking para ... more

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Recent Guests

Rick Rodgers
Founder of Paracheer and advocate for adaptive cheerleading
Paracheer
Episode: 015 Rick Rodgers - How Paracheer Is Changing Cheerleading Forever
Adrian Butler
Coach and leader of Top Gun Legends
Top Gun Savannah / Legends program
Episode: 014 Adrian Butler - How Top Gun Legends Won Worlds in Year 1
Coach K
The mastermind behind the High School Cheer Rules Instagram account
Rise (coaching/camps) and High School Cheer Rules
Episode: 012 High School Cheer Rules - Explained with Coach K
Dahlston Delgado
Choreographer at the highest level across college cheer; works on Macy's Parade, Stumble, Broadway
Episode: 010 Dahlston Delgado - The Mind Behind Your Favourite NCA Routines
Jay Yoder
Dad, comedian, and creator known for viral TikToks about parenting through cheerleading
TikTok creator
Episode: 008 Cheer Dad - Jay Yoder
JJ Jones
Coach at Brendan All-Star and founder of Spirit Pro Camp
Spirit Pro Camp; Brendan All-Star
Episode: 006 - JJ Jones
Hailey Smith
Weber State, Team USA and Miami Metal athlete
Weber State University; Team USA
Episode: 003 - Hailey D'Lynn Smith
Andres Galvan
Choreographer and coach known for international work with Team Mexico and ASR
Sure Agency (Mexico)
Episode: 002 - Andres Galvan
Ashley Williams
Coach and choreographer
Small World Choreography / Southern Elite / MCA connections mentioned
Episode: 001 - Ashley Williams

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Mimi
Host of More Than Counts, cheer judge and industry commentator
Ashley Williams
Guest, coach and choreographer, also a recurring host/guest with deep involvement in coaching and choreography

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015 Rick Rodgers - How Paracheer Is Changing Cheerleading Forever
Q: For people that don't know you, can you tell us about you and how you got into cheerleading?
Rick shares his journey from discovering cheerleading as a young man, becoming a wheelchair user after an accident, and staying involved for over two decades by leveraging friendships, opportunities, and a passion for inclusion—culminating in pioneering wheelchair partner stunts and leadership in adaptive divisions.
004 Jeremy + Marcus
Q: How did you two decide to work as a duo and form Creative Elements?
We discovered a shared passion for the sport and complementary strengths—one focuses on the bigger picture while the other handles details—leading to a natural pairing that blends structure with creativity.
007 Natalie - Team Canada Premier Head Coach
Q: What is the core difference in building a routine for ICU scoring versus All-Star, and how do you adapt given the limited training days?
ICU scoring emphasizes unassisted skills, clean execution, and visual storytelling over flashy choreography or tumbling; we focus on cohesive skills, crowd engagement, and precision, using a step-by-step, session-objective approach across camps to stay within the real-house constraints.
007 Natalie - Team Canada Premier Head Coach
Q: So how does the process work to become the coach of Team Canada, given the need for education, credentials, and committee approval?
Applicants go through a formal application process run by Cheer Canada, meeting strict criteria including coaching education and ICU credentialing, submitting resumes and references, after which a committee selects the coaching staff.
005 - Kevin
Q: How do you approach adjusting a routine when player rosters change mid-season?
I assess who's available, move athletes within formations, and sometimes create quick lifts to fill gaps, always aiming to keep the routine cohesive and on tempo without overwhelming the performers.

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What is More Than Counts about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A show that pulls back the curtain on cheer routines, focusing on how choreography, staging, and score-driven decisions shape what audiences see on the mat. Across episodes, listeners hear from top choreographers, coaches, athletes, and industry leaders who share concrete insights on theme development, technique, safety, and cross-border training. The conversations blend practical tips for building routines with reflections on culture, leadership, and the realities of competing at national and world levels. A standout throughline is the emphasis on process—how teams move from concept to execution, and how staff, collaboration, and relentless preparation influence both scores and storytelling. This podcast is especially valuable for coaches,... more

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2. Adrian Butler
3. Coach K
4. Dahlston Delgado
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6. JJ Jones
7. Hailey Smith
8. Andres Galvan

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