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Money 4 Nothing

Money 4 Nothing
Music Industry
Hip Hop
20-Year Anniversary Album Tours
Millennials
Tiktok
Spotify
Nostalgia
Patreon
Imagine Dragons
Live Concerts
Social Media
Generative AI
AI and Copyright Law
Universal Music Group
Living Wage For Musicians Act
RIAA
Suno
Udio
Streaming Economy
BMI

A podcast on music and capitalism. Dropped bi-weekly. money4nothing.substack.com

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It’s an attractive silver-lining of an idea—“At least bad times make good punk.” Reagan begets…Reagan Youth, you know? Looking around at our rapidly deteriorating world, we decided it was a good moment to put this theory to the test, subbing punk for... more

If you live in the United States, you probably know the college radio feel—scrappy vibes, student DJs stumbling over liner notes, great station interstitials, even better music. That music tends to be a very specific mix of bleeding edge up-and-comer... more

A two topic special for you this week. First—we explore the strangely under-reported story that Elon Musk is suing…basically the entirety of music publishing. The reason? They (gasp!) want him to either pay for music on X or, you know, stop allowing ... more

To ring in the new year, Sam and Saxon pull out both their wayback machine AND their increasingly scuffed-up crystal ball to think through some of the biggest trends from the last year—and to make some predictions about what might be coming in 2026. ... more

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Recent Guests

Timothy D. Taylor
Author of 'Making Value, Music, Capital and the Social'
Duke University Press
Episode: What is the Value of Music?
Franz Nicolay
Author of "Band People: Life and Work in Popular Music," exploring band dynamics and the music industry.
University of Texas Press
Episode: Every Band is a Foreign Country (With Franz Nicolay)
Liz Pelly
Author of Mood Machine and music industry critic
Episode: Spotify Culture (Featuring Liz Pelly + David Turner)
David Turner
Music journalist and former editor of Penny Fractions.
Episode: Spotify Culture (Featuring Liz Pelly + David Turner)
Andrew Duard
Assistant professor of media and popular culture at UCSD, author of Derivative Media
University of California, San Diego
Episode: Financializing Everything (W/ Andrew deWaard)
Holiday Kirk
Editor of NÜmetal Agenda and CEO of NÜ Metal, known for revitalizing interest in the genre.
Crazy Ass Moments in NÜ Metal History
Episode: NÜ METAL FOREVER (w/ Holiday Kirk)
Kevin Erickson
Director of the Future of Music Coalition
Future of Music Coalition
Episode: Taking on Ticketmaster (W/ Kevin Erickson)
Amy Coddington
An assistant professor of music at Amherst College and author of the book, How Hip Hop Became Hit Pop
Amherst College
Episode: How Hip Hop Conquered the Charts (feat. Amy Coddington)
Monia Ali
Writer of Fandom Exile substack, exploring the culture and business practices behind fandom.
Fandom Exile
Episode: Embracing Our Fandom (W/ Monia Ali)

Hosts

Saxon Baird
Host with focus on music industry economics and ownership structures; frequently appears as a co-host.
Sam Bakker
Co-host with deep engagement in music business, policy, and culture; appears across multiple episodes.

Reviews

5.0 out of 5 stars from 46 ratings
  • So good!

    I run a small independent electronic music label, and the attention Sam and Saxon pay to the financial side, something not every music fan may obsess over, is so refreshing. Nothing is obscured, but nothing is oversimplified. It’s made me feel both sane and inspired. Thanks!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Taylor Fixed Rhythms
    United States3 years ago
  • Raising the Right Questions

    I just stumbled on this podcast by searching for Damon Krukowski—I like his writing, and was curious to see if he’d been interviewed about the music industry during COVID. These guys had a good conversation with him, and I’m eager to dig into more of the earlier episodes. They are raising the right questions. Keep up the good work.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    LibertyOrDeathToday
    United States3 years ago
  • Big return on investment

    Money for nothing made my music biz stock skyrocket

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    abstinancydrew
    United States4 years ago
  • A peek

    A peek under the hood of the culture that shapes us. We really are enjoying the golden age of podcasting with shows like this.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Prof Simon
    United States5 years ago
  • Awesome pod!! A must for music nerds

    This is a real gem! I love hearing the guys intricately navigate through a unique landscape of topics related to the music biz. So many nooks and crannies explored that have been otherwise overlooked. 5/5..hoping for a lot more content like this!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Big Cat from BK
    United States5 years ago

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Listeners praise the show's transparent handling of finances and artist rights.
Guests are well-chosen and discussions feel thoughtful rather than sensational.
Audience notes the depth of analysis on streaming, copyright, and industry economics.

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What is the Value of Music?
Q: What led you to this book or this project?
It was a deepening dissatisfaction with conventional discussions of music as purely a commodity, leading to a desire to explore broader contexts of value and music.
Embracing Our Fandom (W/ Monia Ali)
Q: When we're talking about fandom in this context, what are we talking about exactly?
Fandom encompasses not only those who buy merchandise but also the communities formed around artists, revealing their deeper connection with the music industry and how it manipulates fan enthusiasm for profit.
Are you Ex-Sphere-enced?
Q: Is The Sphere a win for the arts?
Opinions vary; while it may be tacky and obnoxious, it does provide a high-end venue for arts and performance which could be considered a win.
Are you Ex-Sphere-enced?
Q: What will happen in the next couple of years regarding the role of the artist?
There could be a situation where the artist becomes entirely secondary to the immersive experience that venues like The Sphere provide.
NÜ METAL FOREVER (w/ Holiday Kirk)
Q: How has the perception of NÜ Metal changed over the years?
It has transitioned from being a commercially successful genre to one that is often dismissed by critics, despite its cultural impact and innovations.

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What is Money 4 Nothing about and what kind of topics does it cover?

Listeners are drawn to thoughtful, economics-minded discussions about music and the business surrounding it. Episodes frequently examine streaming, platform power, artist compensation, copyright, AI in music, and the changing structures of the industry, often with a critical, market-savvy lens. The show tends to feature deep-dive explorations, strong guest perspectives, and timely debates about how capital, technology, and policy shape what gets heard and who profits. A notable strength is its willingness to tackle controversial topics (ethics of streaming, AI-generated music, big-tech ties) without shying away from nuanced critique, making it a good fit for listeners who want both context and critical analysis.

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