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Media and the Machine

Rob Kelly
Openai
Content Creation
Curiositystream
AI Monetization
RSL
AI Copyright
Spin
Artificial Intelligence
Podcasting
AI Content Licensing
The New York Times
Affiliate Marketing
Content Strategy
Video Data For AI Training
Youtube
Notebook LM
AI Advertising
Microsoft AI
Troveo
AI Token Economics

AI is the biggest technology shift of our lifetime. This show is about how to profit from it together. Each week I talk with the founders and CEOs closest to AI and Content, the ones figuring this out in real time. I’m also building an AI content business myself and share the lessons I learn along the way. WHAT WE COVER The Titans -- How companies like OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, Meta, and xAI are ... more

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In this episode, I profile Demis Hassabis, the CEO of Google DeepMind.

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My guest today is David Perlman.

David has a PhD in Neuroscience and Meditation, and he’s an expert in misinformation.

He’s got an unusual background observing leaders up close — from the Dalai Lama to Jack Dorsey. 

And it was at Twitter, where Da... more

Marty Pesis is co-founder and CEO of Troveo.

Troveo helps content and data owners license their video, audio, and text to top AI models like OpenAI, Google Gemini, Anthropic – and AI Unicorn startups too..

Marty says he may have the largest AI data... more

Chris Keevil is co-founder and CEO of Versos AI, a company helping AI labs find the needles-in-the-haystack data they need to train their models.

Chris works at the center of a new market. It’s where the frontier AI models are paying for video most ... more

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Recent Guests

David Perlman
Neuroscience and meditation expert, misinformation researcher
Episode: Buddhism, Bots & Billionaires
Marty Pesis
Co-founder and CEO of Troveo
Troveo
Episode: This AI Company Has Paid Out $20M to Content Owners
Chris Keevil
Founder and CEO of Versos AI
Versos AI
Episode: AI Wants Needles in a Haystack. He Finds Them
Mustafa Suleyman
CEO of Microsoft AI, former DeepMind co‑founder
Microsoft AI / DeepMind
Episode: Mustafa Suleyman: How the Microsoft AI CEO Thinks
Nic Baird
Co-founder and CEO of Koah Labs
Koah Labs
Episode: Sailing Champ Builds “the AdSense for AI”
Andy Beach
Former Microsoft CTO for Media & Entertainment AI; AI startup consultant; VC at Hallstone
Hallstone
Episode: AI Models Got the Hype—But Apps Decide Who Wins Next
Chris Hutchins
Host of All the Hacks Podcast, founder and operator of multiple ventures
All the Hacks
Episode: Top Podcaster: AI Kills Info Podcasts—Not Personalities
Thad McIlroy
Author of The AI Revolution in Book Publishing
Author/Industry Analyst
Episode: AI Stole 7M Books…Why This Publishing Insider Is Still Bullish
Jennifer Elliott
Veteran engineer in data centers with customers including Google, Meta, AWS, Netflix
Data center engineering and AI hardware investor
Episode: The Data Center Expert’s “Ride or Die” Plan for When AI Turns

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Rob Kelly
Host of Media and the Machine

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 9 ratings
  • This podcast is terrific!

    I have to say I was very interested in the topic and how Rob Kelly asks great questions and provided such a great interview style to allow his guest to truly shine in the content they covered.

    I can't wait for the next episode. I am hooked!!!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DjBearman
    United States4 months ago
  • AI Education and Insight

    This Podcast is giving the listener a blueprint to the future. I am an AI optimist and have really enjoyed these insightful and educational episodes. If you want to be on the cutting edge, “Media and the Machine” will help get you there!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    _ThomT
    United States5 months ago
  • This podcast is terrific!

    I have to say I was very interested in the topic and how Rob Kelly ask great questions and provided such a great interview style to allow his guest to truly shine in the content they covered.

    I can't wait for the next episode. I am hooked!!!!!

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    DjBearman
    United States5 months ago
  • This is a really intriguing interview on AI. Quite thought provoking. Love it.

    Podcast Addict
    5
    velodrone
    5 months ago

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This AI Company Has Paid Out $20M to Content Owners
Q: How does the data licensing deal typically start and close?
It usually starts with a research team at the AI company defining a need, then Troveo provides a sample dataset, tightens scope through feedback, and finally negotiates a data licensing deal with a hyper-specific data set tailored to the problem.
This AI Company Has Paid Out $20M to Content Owners
Q: What was the first AI revenue you made for an owner of content?
The first revenue came from a project with a company building a speech model that tried to turn dog barks into English words; we sourced a large audio dataset and labeled barking sounds, laying the groundwork for the data licensing business.
Buddhism, Bots & Billionaires
Q: Is AI going to be the new crypto for the next elections?
He agrees that AI investment and hype will drive a new wave of political finance and influence, predicting massive wealth creation in AI circles similar to crypto, which may intensify political dynamics and policy battles.
Buddhism, Bots & Billionaires
Q: Tell me the story of your parents spending more time on their phones.
He recalls observing parents, including his own, becoming deeply engaged with smartphones and receiving AI-driven content recommendations, illustrating how algorithms shape everyday media consumption and attention.
Buddhism, Bots & Billionaires
Q: What's your take on the CEOs running the major AI companies right now specifically? Are they good stewards of information?
He argues they are not good stewards and cites examples like Elon Musk's leadership changes and the broader trend of governance under high-risk, profit-driven pressures, suggesting a need for stronger regulatory oversight.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Media and the Machine

What is Media and the Machine about and what kind of topics does it cover?

The show centers on how AI intersects with content, business models, and licensing, featuring founders, CEOs, and senior leaders who are shaping AI-enabled media ecosystems. Episodes cover data sourcing and licensing for AI, monetization strategies (ads, licensing, subscriptions), governance and safety, and the evolving balance of power among platforms, publishers, and creators. A standout thread is practical, lessons-focused business storytelling—drawing from real-world deals, licensing frameworks, and strategic negotiations—making it useful for listeners who want to turn AI insights into revenue and competitive advantage. The host's background in licensing and early web content, combined with episodes that spotlight high-stakes industry s... more

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2. Marty Pesis
3. Chris Keevil
4. Mustafa Suleyman
5. Nic Baird
6. Andy Beach
7. Chris Hutchins
8. Thad McIlroy

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