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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
MLS
Real Estate
Zillow
NAR
Corelogic
Compass
Real Estate Market
Clear Cooperation Policy
National Association Of Realtors
Real Estate Industry
Technology
Cotality
NAR Settlement
Real Estate Technology
Department Of Justice
Redfin
Multiple Listing Services
Real Estate Agents
Buyer's Market
Fair Housing

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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Overview Rob and Greg are joined by Nick Aufenkamp (Realtor Gone Rogue), a Vancouver, WA-based broker and Substack writer, for a debate on the Zillow v. MRED lawsuit, ... more

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Rob and Greg kick off with some World Cup talk before diving into the Zillow vs. Compass preliminary injunction hearing, covering media coverage (Real Est... more

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

Overview Greg shares a new AI-built Chrome extension that solves a surprisingly common MLS workflow problem before Rob and Greg revisit last week's conversation with P... more

The Industry Relations Podcast is now available on your favorite podcast player!

Overview This week, Rob and Greg are joined by Professor Darren Hayunga of the University of Georgia to discuss his research on pocket listings and private sales. Usin... more

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Recent Guests

Darren Hayunga
Associate Professor of Real Estate and Housing Economics
University of Georgia
Episode: Should Sellers Pick Pocket Listings?
Andy Woolley
Vice President of Industry at homes.com
homes.com
Episode: Begun the pre-marketing wars have
Bennett Rich
Mentioned as someone they discussed, invited guest
Unspecified
Episode: Inside the NAR Influencer Summit
Keith Robertson
Speaker from Real Estate Insiders Podcast, attended dinner with hosts
Real Estate Insiders Podcast
Episode: Inside the NAR Influencer Summit
Heather Harmon
Presenter and speaker on AI and human impact, real-world perspective
Unspecified
Episode: Can the MLS Keep Up with AI?
Molly McPherson
Crisis PR expert and keynote speaker
Unspecified
Episode: Can the MLS Keep Up with AI?
Jack Miller
President and CEO of T3 Sixty
T3 Sixty
Episode: Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Bryan Caplan
Professor of Economics at George Mason University and New York Times bestselling author.
George Mason University
Episode: Supply, Demand and Deregulation with Professor Bryan Caplan
Doug Miller
Real estate attorney and co-founder of Caare, dedicated to consumer protection in real estate.
Caare
Episode: Real Estate Forms: Consumer-Friendly or Industry-Driven?

Hosts

Rob Hahn
Host of Industry Relations; real estate and technology commentator with insider perspective
Greg Robertson
Co-host of Industry Relations; industry insider with a focus on brokerage strategy and technology integration

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 45 ratings
  • Nice to see

    It’s nice to see that as Rob has aged his opinions have become softer.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sixelav1.0
    United States8 months ago
  • Never right

    Seems they miss the point and their predictions are always off the mark. How about what can be done to renew NAR. Talk about the consumer in all this. NAR is a lobbying group mostly over the years protecting the consumer. The new group is a waste of energy. The industry needs a just and strong NAR. Improve it and support the industry. I’m not a member or an associate to the industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Yoyomama99
    United States2 years ago
  • Strong opinions, lightly held

    Joined a proptech company back in the Fall and have been desperately searching for a real estate podcast with real opinions. That search is officially over and has ended with a couple of old genxers. These guys are great, highly recommend.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jo8k
    United States4 years ago
  • Intelligent

    Binge listened to just about every episode! Love the interviews, nerdy humor & thought provoking dialogue. Hands down one of the best real estate podcasts. I wish we would implement this IRC-like ability to login to chat rooms to socialize w other real estate friends & colleagues, because of the Covid narrative . That concept was so nostalgic of my childhood :D

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    vainness
    United States5 years ago
  • Love it!

    Huge fan of both Rob and Gregg , they truly care for what is best for the RE industry

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Joel Custodio
    United States6 years ago

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Fans praise the hosts for real, unapologetic industry insight and engaging, opinionated dialogue.
Listeners value the depth of real estate tech discussion and the hosts' ability to connect historical industry context to current events.
Some critics note strong, partisan takes but still acknowledge the show's industry expertise and candor.

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#168
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Talking Points

Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Q: How do they interpret the business model differences between CAP (unit economics) and traditional models?
They explain that traditional models tend to yield higher agent take-home pay but require higher broker expenditures, while unit-economics models show lower per-agent take-home but lower broker costs; overall, margins improve as costs per transaction decrease and tech/AI support scales.
Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Q: What was the biggest fight or controversy in the rankings process?
The biggest debates centered on the influence of Varun Krishna post-Redfin deal, the forward-looking elements of the methodology, and how to handle retirements (e.g., Bob Hale and Mary Jo Cohen) by moving incoming CEOs onto the watch list.
How will the portals respond to the Compass-Anywhere deal?
Q: How do you see Zillow responding to the acquisition?
Zillow's response could range from ramping up marketing against private listings to possibly becoming a franchise themselves, depending on how the acquisition unfolds.
How will the portals respond to the Compass-Anywhere deal?
Q: What do you think of Compass acquiring Anywhere?
It's a huge move that indicates residential real estate will likely become dominated by a few large firms, similar to commercial real estate.
The Duel over Dual Agency
Q: Should there be more stringent rules about dual agency at the team level?
Hosts agree that consumer perceptions around dual agency within teams warrant further scrutiny and potentially new regulations.

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Frequently Asked Questions About Industry Relations

What is Industry Relations about and what kind of topics does it cover?

A hard-hitting, insider-minded look at real estate technology, listings, data ownership, and market dynamics. Episodes consistently dissect MLS structures, portals, broker strategies, and the economics of listing distribution, often debating who controls data, who benefits from platform shifts, and how policy and technology intersect to shape buyer and seller experiences. Noteworthy is the hosts' willingness to take provocative, well-argued positions and to reference industry history, current deals, and regulatory questions with sharp, practical insight. This mix should appeal to professionals in real estate tech, brokerage leadership, and PR/sponsorship teams looking for high-velocity, opinionated conversations driven by insider knowledge ... more

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1. Darren Hayunga
2. Andy Woolley
3. Bennett Rich
4. Keith Robertson
5. Heather Harmon
6. Molly McPherson
7. Jack Miller
8. Bryan Caplan

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