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Industry Relations

Rob Hahn and Greg Robertson
MLS
Real Estate
Zillow
NAR
Corelogic
Real Estate Market
Compass
Clear Cooperation Policy
National Association Of Realtors
Real Estate Industry
Technology
Cotality
NAR Settlement
Real Estate Technology
Department Of Justice
Redfin
Multiple Listing Services
Real Estate Agents
Buyer's Market
Fair Housing

This is Industry Relations, a podcast that is at the intersection of real estate and technology from an insider's perspective. Hosted weekly by Rob Hahn (The Notorious ROB) and Greg Robertson.

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Overview Greg revisits his "Poking the Bear" article and argues that the industry may be underestimating what happens if Zillow is pushed into becoming a direct compet... more

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Overview Rob and Greg dive into a major discussion about IDX, MLS rules, private listings, and whether MLSs should still control listing distribution in 2026. Using a ... more

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Overview This episode starts with Greg discussing Giant Steps' new MLS channel guidebook and the growing difficulty vendors face navigating organized real estate. Rob ... more

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Overview Rob and Greg react to Cotality's launch of BLX, a new broker-focused listing input platform that immediately sparks debate over whether it's a defensive move ... more

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Ed Zorn
Speaker on data ownership and copyright related to MLS photos
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Bryan Caplan
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Jack Miller
CEO and President of T360
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Doug Miller
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Hosts

Rob Hahn
Host of Industry Relations; real estate and technology industry insider with branding as 'The Notorious ROB'
Greg Robertson
Co-host with insights into real estate and technology; industry relations host

Reviews

4.7 out of 5 stars from 44 ratings
  • Nice to see

    It’s nice to see that as Rob has aged his opinions have become softer.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Sixelav1.0
    United States7 months ago
  • Never right

    Seems they miss the point and their predictions are always off the mark. How about what can be done to renew NAR. Talk about the consumer in all this. NAR is a lobbying group mostly over the years protecting the consumer. The new group is a waste of energy. The industry needs a just and strong NAR. Improve it and support the industry. I’m not a member or an associate to the industry.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Yoyomama99
    United States2 years ago
  • Strong opinions, lightly held

    Joined a proptech company back in the Fall and have been desperately searching for a real estate podcast with real opinions. That search is officially over and has ended with a couple of old genxers. These guys are great, highly recommend.

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    jo8k
    United States4 years ago
  • Intelligent

    Binge listened to just about every episode! Love the interviews, nerdy humor & thought provoking dialogue. Hands down one of the best real estate podcasts. I wish we would implement this IRC-like ability to login to chat rooms to socialize w other real estate friends & colleagues, because of the Covid narrative . That concept was so nostalgic of my childhood :D

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    vainness
    United States5 years ago
  • Love it!

    Huge fan of both Rob and Gregg , they truly care for what is best for the RE industry

    Apple Podcasts
    5
    Joel Custodio
    United States5 years ago

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The hosts synthesize timely industry happenings with strong viewpoints.
Real estate without the doom-and-gloom — insightful and timely.
Smart, opinionated and informed with engaging banter.

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Recent interactions between the hosts and their guests.

Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Q: How do they interpret the business model differences between CAP (unit economics) and traditional models?
They explain that traditional models tend to yield higher agent take-home pay but require higher broker expenditures, while unit-economics models show lower per-agent take-home but lower broker costs; overall, margins improve as costs per transaction decrease and tech/AI support scales.
Jack Miller on Lists, Trends, Marketplaces and CoStar.
Q: What was the biggest fight or controversy in the rankings process?
The biggest debates centered on the influence of Varun Krishna post-Redfin deal, the forward-looking elements of the methodology, and how to handle retirements (e.g., Bob Hale and Mary Jo Cohen) by moving incoming CEOs onto the watch list.
How will the portals respond to the Compass-Anywhere deal?
Q: How do you see Zillow responding to the acquisition?
Zillow's response could range from ramping up marketing against private listings to possibly becoming a franchise themselves, depending on how the acquisition unfolds.
How will the portals respond to the Compass-Anywhere deal?
Q: What do you think of Compass acquiring Anywhere?
It's a huge move that indicates residential real estate will likely become dominated by a few large firms, similar to commercial real estate.
The Duel over Dual Agency
Q: Should there be more stringent rules about dual agency at the team level?
Hosts agree that consumer perceptions around dual agency within teams warrant further scrutiny and potentially new regulations.

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Industry Relations blends real estate industry dynamics with technology and policy through provocative, opinionated discussions. Across recent episodes, the hosts dissect consolidation trends, MLS and portal strategies, AI implications, regulatory risks, and the evolving role of industry associations. The tone is contrarian, data-informed, and humorous, with sharp banter and bold forecasts that appeal to executives, brokers, tech vendors, and policy-minded listeners who want a practitioner's view on how tech and policy shape real estate markets. A standout trait is the frequent combination of market analysis with candid governance debates and real-world anecdotes from prominent industry events, making it a go-to source for thoughtful, debat... more

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