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No hot takes. No empty platitudes. No easy hope. Just real talk about how we hold onto our humanity, build something better—and maybe even laugh along the way. Bring snacks. Bring questions. We're figuring this out together.

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What does it mean to celebrate America at 250 if we've never been honest about the story we've been telling ourselves?

This week, Nora and Marcus sit down with Eddie Glaude Jr. for a conversation that's equal parts history lesson, therapy session, ... more

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This week Nora and Marcus speak with Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal about what Democrats keep getting wrong, why "moderation" so often means surrendering before the fight starts, and whether the left might finally be done asking permission to act like... more

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This week on In the Meanwhile, while billionaires flirt with trillionaire status, ICE detention centers face hunger strikes, and America's political class continues its speedrun through late-stage empire, we sit down with someone doing something radi... more

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It's been another "37-day week" in America, and In The Meanwhile is doing what it does best: refusing to let the chaos set the agenda.

On the heels of Bill Gates' Congressional appearance to be questioned about his role in the Epstein Files, we rev... more

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Recent Guests

Pramila Jayapal
Congresswoman, Washington 7th Congressional District; progressive leader
U.S. Congress
Episode: Ep 57: Better a Radical than a Pushover with Pramila Jayapal
Father Ray Riding
Catholic missionary priest with 50+ years serving migrants
Catholic Mission/Salva Visión
Episode: Ep 56: The Border Between Fear and Humanity with Father Ray Riding
Tim Schwab
Investigative journalist; author of The Bill Gates Problem
The Nation (and other outlets)
Episode: Ep 55: The Bill Chill vs. the Epstein Files with Tim Schwab (re-air)
Loretta Ross
Activist professor and author of Calling In
Smith College
Episode: Ep 54: The Art of Calling in with Loretta J. Ross
Jaelynn Scott
Housing and civil rights leader, ordained minister, and candidate for Washington State House of Representatives
Lavender Rights Project; Washington State House campaign
Episode: Ep 53: A Politics of Grace with Jaelynn Scott
Mark Paschal
Worker-owner of Jude's and Rosette in Seattle
Jude's and Rosette (co-ops)
Episode: Ep 52: Your Labor is Your Power with Mark Paschal
Maggie Humphreys
Public policy and government relations expert with over a decade of experience advancing legislative priorities for women and families
Washington state government affairs / policy advocate
Episode: Ep 50: Billionaires Get Galas, Moms Get Burnout - with Maggie Humphreys
Peter Beinart
Author; political commentator; author of Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza
Author, Journalist
Episode: Ep 49: How We Justify the Unjustifiable with Peter Beinart
Emily Bender
Linguist and professor at University of Washington, key critic of large language models
University of Washington
Episode: Ep 48: The AI Hype Industrial Complex with Emily M. Bender

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Marcus Harrison-Green
Co-host focusing on community voices and social justice narrative; appears across many episodes.
Nora Kenworthy
Co-host guiding discussions on democracy, rights, and community action.

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5.0 out of 5 stars from 13 ratings
  • Beautiful Pod by Empathetic People

    Always excited by MHG projects. This is an incredible dive into how we think and look at life and the politics around us.

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    United Statesa year ago

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Ep 43: ​​Two Nations, One Grief with Nilu Jenks
Q: What echoes of authoritarianism do you see in the United States today, given your experiences?
She notes parallels in the suppression of dissent, weaponized patriotism, and how religious conservatism intersects with political power, leading to erosion of civil liberties and restricted journalism—despite being in a different country with a different system.
Ep 43: ​​Two Nations, One Grief with Nilu Jenks
Q: Can you explain what your family has been going through during the protests and crackdown in Iran?
Nilu shares the personal hardship: families separated, communications cut or severely monitored, and constant fear about loved ones' safety. She emphasizes the emotional toll of waiting for news, the high cost of staying connected, and the broader impact of sanctions and emigration on ordinary Iranians.
Ep 45: Fighting Predatory Social Media with Laura Marquez-Garrett
Q: How do you describe the shift from content liability to design liability in tech law?
She explains that lawsuits are focusing on the design and algorithms that shape user behavior, not just the content itself, and compares this to tobacco and asbestos litigation to illustrate how design-driven harm can be regulated and compensated.
Ep 45: Fighting Predatory Social Media with Laura Marquez-Garrett
Q: What made you want to dedicate your career to holding social media companies to account?
Laura describes a personal pivot from big-law success to activism after viewing the Social Dilemma documentary and learning about a case involving an 11-year-old girl, which made the risks to children undeniable and inspired her to join the fight despite significant professional sacrifice.
Ep 54: The Art of Calling in with Loretta J. Ross
Q: How can movements balance accountability with humanity in an era of punitive rhetoric and social media shaming?
Maintain accountability without humiliation; call in when possible, and reserve calling out for those who actively threaten others. The aim is to expand the circle of influence, not shrink it through shaming.

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This program mixes thoughtful analysis of social issues with a focus on democratic participation, community organizing, and accountability. Episodes frequently explore how institutions impact everyday life, from voting rights and immigration to academic freedom and policing, often centering stories from local communities and grassroots action. A notable strength is its willingness to connect macro political dynamics to tangible community actions, while featuring voices from academia, advocacy, and political engagement. Its conversational, no-nonsense style and guest mix—scholars, organizers, and activists—make it a strong fit for listeners who want depth without escapism, and for potential guests who can translate complex topics into practi... more

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