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Governance Unplugged - Internal Audit, Risk & Controls

Thomas Michel
Internal Audit
Artificial Intelligence
Governance
Board Of Directors
Risk Management
COSO
Three Lines Of Defense
Three Lines Model
Technology
Startups
Culture
Timeless Risks
Integrated Assurance
Small Audit Functions
Barry Callebaut
Zurich Insurance Group
GRC
Enterprise Risk Management
EU AI Act
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Governance Unplugged is a podcast dedicated to exploring the essential pillars of sound governance to help organizations thrive in today’s dynamic business environment. Designed for internal auditors, risk managers, senior management and board members, the podcast delves into how robust governance, risk management, and internal controls lay the foundation for organizational safety and prosperity. ... more

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The Internal Auditor of Tomorrow: Why Artificial Intelligence Raises the Bar (Part 2) 💥

In the second part of my conversation with Hervé Gloaguen www.linkedin.com/in/hervé-gloaguen-5348ab9/, former Group Chief Audit Executive and Group Chie... more

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The Internal Auditor of Tomorrow: Why Artificial Intelligence Raises the Bar (Part 1) 🤖

I had the real privilege of sitting down with Hervé Gloaguen @www.linkedin.com/in/hervé-gloaguen-5348ab9/, former Group Chief Audit Executive and Group ... more

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In this episode, Thomas Michel interviews Tony W. DeKker, a former global head of business risk services at Ernst & Young, who now serves on various boards and teaches at Erasmus University. They discuss the gap between GRC science and the reality of... more

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The conversation delves into the purpose and challenges of modern risk management, the importance of risk management in decision-making, the limitations of traditional risk reporting, the role of quantification, and the integration of risk management... more

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Recent Guests

Hervé Gloaguen
Founder and CEO of Paracas Advisors; former Group Chief Audit Executive at Allianz
Paracas Advisors; Allianz Insurance
Episode: Ep 22 (PART 1): The Internal Auditor of Tomorrow: Why AI Raises the Bar feat. Hervé Gloaguen
Tony W. DeKker
Former global head of business risk services at Ernst & Young; board member at Bridgestone; professor at Erasmus University
Bridgestone; Erasmus University
Episode: Ep 21: The Boardroom Does Not Care About Your Frameworks feat. Tonny W. Dekker
Stefan Hunziker
Professor for Risk Management at the Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts; head of the Competence Center for Risk and Compliance Management; advisor
Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts; Swiss GRC (advisor)
Episode: Ep 20: Modern Risk Management Must Drive Better Decisions feat. Prof. Stefan Hunziker
Robert Zergenyi
Founder/CEO at Visionaire
Visionaire
Episode: Ep 19: AI Augmented Audits - A Roadmap to a Future Ready Internal Audit Function w/ Robert Zergenyi
Christian de Loës
AI transformation leader; advisor on governance, strategy and responsible AI
Independent consultant, ProC AdCard Change Practitioner
Episode: Ep 17: The Human Side of AI - Change, Trust, and Governance in One Playbook feat. Christian de Loës
Dijana De Coker
Vice President HR for Global Enabling Functions; former Chief Audit Executive and HR leader
Barry Callebaut
Episode: Ep 16: Beyond Bots - How to Grow the Next Generation of Internal Auditors feat. Dijana De Coker
Marieke Flament
Two-time CEO, builder and investor in Tomorrow's Tech infrastructure; non-executive director at IG GU; co-founder of Euro Stable Watch; senior advisor at UNICEF GIGA
IG GU; Euro Stable Watch; UNICEF GIGA
Episode: Ep 9: Founders Need Firepower: Why Smart Startups Build Smart Boards feat. Marieke Flament
Cynthia Boumann
Former global head of Internal Audit, CFO, and internal audit leader
(not specified in transcript)
Episode: Ep 4: Future-Fit Internal Audit: Balancing Governance with Business Agility feat. Cynthia Boumann
Nicolas Steyaert
Head of Internal Audit at Swarovski
Swarovski
Episode: Ep 3: Beyond the Checklist: The True Power of Internal Audit feat. Nicolas Steyaert

Hosts

Thomas Mieschel
Host of Governance Unplugged with a background in World Economic Forum and internal audit/risk.
Thomas Michel
Host of Governance Unplugged; long-time presenter with Governance Unplugged focus.
Thomas
Host voice present across multiple episodes, primarily introducing discussions at Governance Unplugged.
Marieke Flament
Guest and host involved in governance discussions, with focus on startups and crypto governance.

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4.9 out of 5 stars from 17 ratings
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Shows strong relevance for board-level governance and risk strategy.

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Ep 7: Beyond the Hype: Using AI with Integrity in Internal Audit w/ Gavin Martin
Q: How should internal audit balance efficiency with effectiveness when adopting AI?
By clearly defining the desired outcome (efficiency or effectiveness or both), selecting appropriate data and algorithms, and ensuring AI supports, rather than replaces, human judgment.
Ep 7: Beyond the Hype: Using AI with Integrity in Internal Audit w/ Gavin Martin
Q: What's AI really doing for Internal Audit today, and what isn't it doing?
AI can improve efficiency by handling repetitive tasks and enable deeper, faster insights, but auditors must guide the AI toward meaningful outcomes and maintain professional skepticism to validate results.
Ep 5: Asking the Right Questions: How Audit Committees Can Better Oversee IA feat. Gavin Martin
Q: What should audit committees be asking internal audit beyond current questions?
They should probe risk appetite decisions in audit universe construction, understand the timing of issue follow-ups, examine the effectiveness of using new technologies like AI, and seek a multi-year view of assurance across all three lines of defense to avoid chasing only quarterly outputs.
Ep 5: Asking the Right Questions: How Audit Committees Can Better Oversee IA feat. Gavin Martin
Q: Are audit committees asking the right questions?
Yes, they are asking many of the right questions and focusing on important subjects, but they should push further to understand risk appetite, how the audit plan is formed, and the origins of the assurance map to ensure the plan aligns with emerging risks.
Ep 9: Founders Need Firepower: Why Smart Startups Build Smart Boards w/ Marieke Flament
Q: Why should startups bother with a board early rather than later?
Governance starts at term sheet signing and can protect founders' vision, complement missing skills, and build a governance muscle that helps the company scale smarter and avoid blinds spots.

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