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Governance Unplugged - Internal Audit, Risk & Controls

Thomas Michel
Artificial Intelligence
Internal Audit
Governance
Board Of Directors
Three Lines Model
COSO
Zurich Insurance Group
Technology
Barry Callebaut
Daniel Kahneman
Ernst & Young
Maxon International
Startups
Understanding Behaviour In Control Frameworks
EU AI Act
Visionaire
Enterprise Risk Management
Change Management
Three Lines Of Defense
Alternative Intelligence

Governance Unplugged is a podcast dedicated to exploring the essential pillars of sound governance to help organizations thrive in today’s dynamic business environment. Designed for internal auditors, risk managers, senior management and board members, the podcast delves into how robust governance, risk management, and internal controls lay the foundation for organizational safety and prosperity. ... more

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In this episode, Thomas Michel interviews Tony W. DeKker, a former global head of business risk services at Ernst & Young, who now serves on various boards and teaches at Erasmus University. They discuss the gap between GRC science and the reality of... more

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The conversation explores the transformative impact of AI on the internal audit function, emphasizing its role as a capability shift rather than just a tool. It delves into the practical implications of AI on the audit lifecycle, the importance of un... more

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The conversation explores the impact of AI on organizations, the fiduciary responsibility of boards, AI regulation, building trust in responsible AI, defining decision authority, internal audit's role in AI, and the ideal superpower for AI oversight.... more

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Recent Guests

Stefan Hunziker
Professor for Risk Management at the Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts; head of the Competence Center for Risk and Compliance Management; advisor
Lucerne University of Applied Sciences and Arts; Swiss GRC (advisor)
Episode: Ep 20: Modern Risk Management Must Drive Better Decisions feat. Prof. Stefan Hunziker
Robert Zergenyi
Founder/CEO at Visionaire
Visionaire
Episode: Ep 19: AI Augmented Audits - A Roadmap to a Future Ready Internal Audit Function w/ Robert Zergenyi
Christian de Loës
AI transformation leader; advisor on governance, strategy and responsible AI
Independent consultant, ProC AdCard Change Practitioner
Episode: Ep 17: The Human Side of AI - Change, Trust, and Governance in One Playbook feat. Christian de Loës
Dijana De Coker
Vice President HR for Global Enabling Functions; former Chief Audit Executive and HR leader
Barry Callebaut
Episode: Ep 16: Beyond Bots - How to Grow the Next Generation of Internal Auditors feat. Dijana De Coker
Martin Studer
Founder/General Partner at Bluerain Partners Group
Bluerain Partners Group
Episode: Ep 13 (PART 1): The Future of Assurance – Rethinking the Three Lines feat. Martin Studer
Marieke Flament
Two-time CEO, builder and inventor in Tomorrow's Tech Infrastructure; non-executive director at IG Group
IG Group
Episode: Ep 12: From Trustless Code to Trusted Governance: Why Crypto Needs Boards and Audit feat. M. Flament
Ingo Hartmann
Head of Group Audit and Consulting at Maxon International
Maxon International
Episode: Ep 11: Small but Mighty: Running a High-Impact IA function w/ Limited Resources feat. Ingo Hartmann
Barry Franck
Board member, transformation leader, founder of Tech Trust
Tech Trust / PwC / Ernst & Young
Episode: Ep 10: Behind the Trends: How Internal Audit Drives Real Boardroom Impact feat. Barry Franck
Gavin Martin
Auditing culture expert with experience leading audit teams through both hard controls and soft issues
Episode: Ep 8: Culture in the Spotlight: Where Tone, Behaviors and Risk Intersect feat. Gavin Martin

Hosts

Thomas Mieschel
Host of Governance Unplugged with a background in World Economic Forum and internal audit/risk.
Thomas Michel
Host of Governance Unplugged; long-time presenter with Governance Unplugged focus.
Thomas
Host voice present across multiple episodes, primarily introducing discussions at Governance Unplugged.
Marieke Flament
Guest and host involved in governance discussions, with focus on startups and crypto governance.

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4.8 out of 5 stars from 12 ratings
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Ep 11: Small but Mighty: Running a High-Impact IA function w/ Limited Resources feat. Ingo Hartmann
Q: How can small audit teams balance pragmatism and closeness with rigor and compliance?
Transparency about role and limits, delivering rigor in a respectful, solution-oriented way, and cross-linking findings across the organization to demonstrate real business value.
Ep 11: Small but Mighty: Running a High-Impact IA function w/ Limited Resources feat. Ingo Hartmann
Q: What are you most looking forward to in the future for audit functions, especially with AI?
Seeing how AI can be integrated to enhance risk understanding and process insight, while keeping audit as a trusted partner that helps organizations grow and improve, not just as a compliance checkbox.
Ep 11: Small but Mighty: Running a High-Impact IA function w/ Limited Resources feat. Ingo Hartmann
Q: If there is one piece of advice you could give to one of your previous bosses, what would that be?
Stay true to your values, treat your surroundings with respect, and always strive to develop both organizations and people by delivering with integrity, even under pressure.
Ep 9: Founders Need Firepower: Why Smart Startups Build Smart Boards feat. Marieke Flament
Q: When is the right time to start building a board, and how can you make it an asset rather than a box to tick?
Starting early is emphasized, including forming an advisory board as a testing ground before committing to a formal board, and aligning board composition with the company's phase, risk, and growth goals. As the company evolves, the board should incrementally gain the capabilities needed for IPO readiness, licensing, and international expansion; the emphasis is on strategic fit and timing, not merely big names.
Ep 9: Founders Need Firepower: Why Smart Startups Build Smart Boards feat. Marieke Flament
Q: Why should startups bother with a board early, rather than waiting until later?
Marieke explains that governance starts at signing a term sheet and that a board is a strategic partner that complements missing skills, accelerates learning, and provides a structured mechanism to push the business while supporting growth. Early boards help founders avoid being imposed by investors, provide access to networks, and build governance muscle that scales with the company.

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A focused series on governance, risk management, internal controls, and the evolving role of internal audit in modern organizations. Episodes center on practical frameworks for decision-driven risk management, AI-enabled assurance, governance for startups and crypto, culture and ethics in audit, and leadership during crisis. Notable strengths include a strong emphasis on human judgment, board-level governance, and actionable playbooks for implementing responsible AI, data governance, and Three Lines governance. Listeners are likely practitioners and leaders seeking concrete tactics, risk-aware strategy, and board-ready insights to strengthen governance and resilience across diverse industries.

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2. Robert Zergenyi
3. Christian de Loës
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